RE: HP OpenView
At another gig the SA's got an Oracle Monitoring "DBA Helper" type product for eval. With their wiz bang toy they thought they could now question the DBA about every little thing and I was getting pestered with lots of meaningless junk. Of course the most prominently dislayed metric was the BCHR. They seemed to think that, since the toy cost so much it must be right and was unveiling esoteric truths about the mysterious Oracle. In an effort to try to convince them that the tool was dumb and I was at least a little smarter than the dumb tool, I said something like, "Here, I have a tool for you... take this hammer and you will automatically become a master carpenter." After their puzzlement I explained that their toy was no better that a hammer in the hands of an uncoordinated, untrained monkey. Eventually they left me alone and they even got to where they believed me... most of the time anyway. :-) Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 3:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Importance: High I wasn't supposed to be able to review the items that are checked for performance (it's a "confidential" list) but one of the dbas let me see it... BCHR is a very important item. I screamed. Didn't help. One more item for my paper. --- "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel, > > We use a product from another vendor for the same reason. It's > here, not turned on, works like a pile of , but management is > happy. As they say, ignorance is bliss!! > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > the hosting company we work with uses it. I don't have specifics but > they seem happy with it > > --- "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave Bruce scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: > > > > > Anyone in the HP/Oracle camp using HP's OpenView and its Smart > > > Plug-in for Oracle to monitor databases? > > > We are in the beginning stages of implementing. I'd be interested > > in > > > hearing people's experiences. Thanks. > > > > well, we tried to use it as the last gig, but never got it to work > no > > matter > > how much tweaking we did. > > > > -- > > Bill "Shrek" Thater Oracle DBA > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the > examinations, > > whether > > one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on > me > > that, > > after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration > > of any > > scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year. - Albert > > Einstein > > www.mailfiler.com [DB-H7N11P4] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Thater, William > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting > services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like > subscribing). > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Rachel Carmichael > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Goulet, Dick > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be remove
RE: HP OpenView
I tried monitoring some of my databases with it. The interface was crappy. But management insisted we use it since we pay for it. Eventually, found it much easier to write my own unix scripts and send all alerts and warnings to a file on a server, which is then monitored by Openview. Raj "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> com> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: HP OpenView [EMAIL PROTECTED] ity.com 06/06/2003 05:29 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Rachel, We use a product from another vendor for the same reason. It's here, not turned on, works like a pile of , but management is happy. As they say, ignorance is bliss!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L the hosting company we work with uses it. I don't have specifics but they seem happy with it --- "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Bruce scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: > > > Anyone in the HP/Oracle camp using HP's OpenView and its Smart > > Plug-in for Oracle to monitor databases? > > We are in the beginning stages of implementing. I'd be interested > in > > hearing people's experiences. Thanks. > > well, we tried to use it as the last gig, but never got it to work no > matter > how much tweaking we did. > > -- > Bill "Shrek" Thater Oracle DBA >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the examinations, > whether > one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on me > that, > after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration > of any > scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year. - Albert > Einstein > www.mailfiler.com [DB-H7N11P4] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Thater, William > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BOD
RE: HP OpenView
I wasn't supposed to be able to review the items that are checked for performance (it's a "confidential" list) but one of the dbas let me see it... BCHR is a very important item. I screamed. Didn't help. One more item for my paper. --- "Goulet, Dick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rachel, > > We use a product from another vendor for the same reason. It's > here, not turned on, works like a pile of , but management is > happy. As they say, ignorance is bliss!! > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:32 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > the hosting company we work with uses it. I don't have specifics but > they seem happy with it > > --- "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dave Bruce scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: > > > > > Anyone in the HP/Oracle camp using HP's OpenView and its Smart > > > Plug-in for Oracle to monitor databases? > > > We are in the beginning stages of implementing. I'd be interested > > in > > > hearing people's experiences. Thanks. > > > > well, we tried to use it as the last gig, but never got it to work > no > > matter > > how much tweaking we did. > > > > -- > > Bill "Shrek" Thater Oracle DBA > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the > examinations, > > whether > > one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on > me > > that, > > after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration > > of any > > scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year. - Albert > > Einstein > > www.mailfiler.com [DB-H7N11P4] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Thater, William > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting > services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information (like > subscribing). > > > __ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). > http://calendar.yahoo.com > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Rachel Carmichael > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Goulet, Dick > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP OpenView
This tool is mostly used by SA's on HP-UX platforms and not DBA's. Now HP have integrated it with Oracle Enterprise Manager to consolidate the functionality. Our SA was using it but we were not that much interested, in fact we never needed that. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2003 12:31:58 -0800 the hosting company we work with uses it. I don't have specifics but they seem happy with it --- "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Bruce scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: > > > Anyone in the HP/Oracle camp using HP's OpenView and its Smart > > Plug-in for Oracle to monitor databases? > > We are in the beginning stages of implementing. I'd be interested > in > > hearing people's experiences. Thanks. > > well, we tried to use it as the last gig, but never got it to work no > matter > how much tweaking we did. > > -- > Bill "Shrek" Thater Oracle DBA >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the examinations, > whether > one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on me > that, > after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration > of any > scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year. - Albert > Einstein > www.mailfiler.com [DB-H7N11P4] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Thater, William > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP OpenView
Rachel, We use a product from another vendor for the same reason. It's here, not turned on, works like a pile of , but management is happy. As they say, ignorance is bliss!! Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 06, 2003 4:32 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L the hosting company we work with uses it. I don't have specifics but they seem happy with it --- "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Bruce scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: > > > Anyone in the HP/Oracle camp using HP's OpenView and its Smart > > Plug-in for Oracle to monitor databases? > > We are in the beginning stages of implementing. I'd be interested > in > > hearing people's experiences. Thanks. > > well, we tried to use it as the last gig, but never got it to work no > matter > how much tweaking we did. > > -- > Bill "Shrek" Thater Oracle DBA >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the examinations, > whether > one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on me > that, > after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration > of any > scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year. - Albert > Einstein > www.mailfiler.com [DB-H7N11P4] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Thater, William > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HP OpenView
OV was the monitoring tool of choice (sysadmins made the decision, not dbas) for the databases at my last company. In checking all the events to monitor, I only found about 10 that were useful. The other ones were heavy on the ratio angle and had nothing on wait events. I also found the monitoring interface ungainly and difficult to use. If an alert was presented, we had to go to another product or login to the db to examine it in depth or fix it. I would have preferred to use Enterprise Manager since I could do almost everything I needed to do in one window. -- Daniel W. Fink http://www.optimaldba.com Dave Bruce wrote: Anyone in the HP/Oracle camp using HP's OpenView and its Smart Plug-in for Oracle to monitor databases? We are in the beginning stages of implementing. I'd be interested in hearing people's experiences. Thanks. Dave Bruce Computing and Communications Services University of Guelph Guelph, Ontario, CANADA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Daniel W. Fink INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP OpenView
the hosting company we work with uses it. I don't have specifics but they seem happy with it --- "Thater, William" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dave Bruce scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: > > > Anyone in the HP/Oracle camp using HP's OpenView and its Smart > > Plug-in for Oracle to monitor databases? > > We are in the beginning stages of implementing. I'd be interested > in > > hearing people's experiences. Thanks. > > well, we tried to use it as the last gig, but never got it to work no > matter > how much tweaking we did. > > -- > Bill "Shrek" Thater Oracle DBA >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the examinations, > whether > one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on me > that, > after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration > of any > scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year. - Albert > Einstein > www.mailfiler.com [DB-H7N11P4] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Thater, William > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP OpenView
Dave Bruce scribbled on the wall in glitter crayon: > Anyone in the HP/Oracle camp using HP's OpenView and its Smart > Plug-in for Oracle to monitor databases? > We are in the beginning stages of implementing. I'd be interested in > hearing people's experiences. Thanks. well, we tried to use it as the last gig, but never got it to work no matter how much tweaking we did. -- Bill "Shrek" Thater Oracle DBA [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- One had to cram all this stuff into one's mind for the examinations, whether one liked it or not. This coercion had such a deterring effect on me that, after I had passed the final examination, I found the consideration of any scientific problems distasteful to me for an entire year. - Albert Einstein www.mailfiler.com [DB-H7N11P4] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP OpenView Service Desk
Ethan - We just have it in pilot with a single user, so I don't think that will help you. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 2:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Anyone running Oracle to support HP OpenView Service Desk, would like to know # of users supported, options and size of system? Thanks, Ethan -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Post, Ethan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HP OpenView !!!!!!
I shall suggest to visit HP / Oracle web site for detailed info. In recent past I have seen an online seminar on OPEN VIEW whereby they informed about integration of HP Openview with Oracle Enterprise Manager thus making it more practical to check/monitor databases and operating system. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 08:05:04 -0800 Hello Listers, We have a requirement to Implement HP OpenView as a corporate standard to monitor the Databases. I am not having any idea how to better implement this .Can somebody out there who can help me by sending some documents or procedure to do this . Thanks in advance, Madhu -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Reddy, Madhusudana INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mohammad Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
