RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Using both HP 11.0 and Solaris 2.8, I have a preference for HP. Just little toolset things like SAM for a GUI SysAdmin, "top" and "GlancePlus", although GlancePlus, a system monitor, I guess I would consider a huge advantage over what Sun offers. As far as the hardware, I guess I don't have a huge preference either way. But if you do go with HP -- DO NOT GET AN AutoRAID! Biggest performance mistake we've made, IMO. Super slow writes. Just my $.02... Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Thanks, it is very important to me Regards, Serge -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 4:05 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Using both HP 11.0 and Solaris 2.8, I have a preference for HP. Just little toolset things like SAM for a GUI SysAdmin, "top" and "GlancePlus", although GlancePlus, a system monitor, I guess I would consider a huge advantage over what Sun offers. As far as the hardware, I guess I don't have a huge preference either way. But if you do go with HP -- DO NOT GET AN AutoRAID! Biggest performance mistake we've made, IMO. Super slow writes. Just my $.02... Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Sergey - One factor you may want to consider is the timeframe of your decision. If it is just a decision for your Lawson box, then that isn't so critical. It is pretty easy to move Lawson from one system to another. Last fall we were looking at making a decision for all our systems. We are on Compaq Tru64, and that doesn't have a long future ahead of it. The META Group advice was that only three operating systems can be considered to have a stable future: 1. MS W2K 2. Linux 3. Solaris Most of the other Unix vendors are facing the next generation of computer chip architecture. I don't believe that HP is investing in the next generation itself, but will be switching to the new Intel 64-bit chips. Based on that advice, we chose Solaris because W2K and Linux are not up to the same standards as Solaris today. To repeat, we are looking at a lot of programming beyond Lawson, so our decision was based on more than simply purchasing the next box. We will have our Lawson system on Tru64 for several more years. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTEC
Re: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
IBM David A. Barbour Oracle DBA, OCP AISD 512-414-1002 "Babich , Sergey" To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 01/18/2002 12:50 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
-- "Babich , Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Hi, dear listers, > My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking > me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put > it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more > than that... > The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice > is greatly appreciated. > Regards, HP are generally more managable than Sun's. One advantage is HP's use of LVM (simpler to handle than most) and the ability to add devices on the fly (via ioscan and insf). It has enough foibles to drive anyone batty, but so does everything else so that's probably par :-) The main drawback to HP-UX is that compiling thing on it tends to be a bit of a pain. HP's lib's are a bit flakier than most and gcc doesn't handle them well. You can always use HP's compiler but it ain't cheap (neither is Sun's but gcc handles Solaris & its lib's better). You also have more control over the file system. Combining larger file system pages w/ appropraite striping can give you a nice boost in performance w/ RAID sytsems. -- Steven Lembark 2930 W. Palmer Workhorse Computing Chicago, IL 60647 +1 800 762 1582 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steven Lembark INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
here go the vendor wars again: for ha, go w/ hp, otherwise go for the most bang for the buck, depends on how desperate the sales person is? i've found hp's ha sw (mc serviceguard), backup sw omniback inexpensive compared to other vendors. look at the total package not just hardware, e.g. storage vendor, backup strategy, ha, etc? gene ps. i like all unix flavors just keep me away from windoze! >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/18/02 01:50PM >>> Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
... running Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/18/02 02:35 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: Re: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box IBM David A. Barbour Oracle DBA, OCP AISD 512-414-1002 "Babich , Sergey" To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] om 01/18/2002 12:50 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
I work on both and like both. However, I would much rather work on HP. Number one, its the one I know best so I am biased in that way. When a Sun box crashes hard it takes much longer to come back up then a HP. At least on our site. There are pros and cons to both. -Original Message- Sergey Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 10:51 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
I believe that Sun is much cheaper to buy then HP. -Original Message- L. Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Funny. IBM is currently winning the Unix processor war, I think, with new designs that HP, Compaq, HP and others will not catch up with for a couple of years. But a Pentium 4 often outruns a couple of Unix processors, and that's pretty scary to an old VMS fan. So running Linux on Pentium 4's or on IBM sounds cool to me :). Mogens Miracle A/S Denmark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >IBM > >David A. Barbour >Oracle DBA, OCP >AISD >512-414-1002 > > > > >"Babich , > >Sergey" To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >xmail.com> Subject: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box > >Sent by: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >om > > > > > >01/18/2002 > >12:50 PM > >Please respond > >to ORACLE-L > > > > > > > > > >Hi, dear listers, >My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking >me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put >it >the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than >that... >The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is >greatly appreciated. >Regards, >Sergey Babich >-- >Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com >-- >Author: Babich , Sergey > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 >San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > >To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message >to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in >the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L >(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may >also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mogens =?ISO-8859-1?Q?N=F8rgaard?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
-- Mogens Nørgaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Funny. IBM is currently winning the Unix processor war, I think, with new > designs that HP, Compaq, HP and others will not catch up with for a > couple of years. But a Pentium 4 often outruns a couple of Unix > processors, and that's pretty scary to an old VMS fan. So running Linux > on Pentium 4's or on IBM sounds cool to me :). Main problem I've had with AIX is that nothing quite works the way you'd expect -- even if you've had the training and read the doc's. The guts of AIX are still a batch environment, all they really did was put a stock *NIX library on top of the existing kernel they had. It also gets quirky due to attempting support for both BSD and SVR4 interface standards. Their equipment is rock solid, but running AIX can be a real pain. Which is not to say that HP and Sun don't have their fair share of oddities... At this point IBM is hocking linux heavily enough that it might well be worth looking into a supported copy of IBM's distro -- or SGI's. -- Steven Lembark 2930 W. Palmer Workhorse Computing Chicago, IL 60647 +1 800 762 1582 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steven Lembark INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Hi, Dennis, Just got back to work and found your message. It's a shame, but I don't know what Lawson is. Well, I used to be a chemical engineer in Soviet Union and didn't know Oracle existed... Anyway, I appreciate your reply. As far as that box, it's supposed to be a box for our main production. We have a pretty simple financial application, but huge OLTP and A LOT of reports. There's no programming except for my short scripts which I create to extend the app functionality (it is VERY old). The company is very lax on investments. Nonetheless, they're contemplating a switch to UNIX, and that I call a major move! Let's see what happens. Thanks for your reply again. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - One factor you may want to consider is the timeframe of your decision. If it is just a decision for your Lawson box, then that isn't so critical. It is pretty easy to move Lawson from one system to another. Last fall we were looking at making a decision for all our systems. We are on Compaq Tru64, and that doesn't have a long future ahead of it. The META Group advice was that only three operating systems can be considered to have a stable future: 1. MS W2K 2. Linux 3. Solaris Most of the other Unix vendors are facing the next generation of computer chip architecture. I don't believe that HP is investing in the next generation itself, but will be switching to the new Intel 64-bit chips. Based on that advice, we chose Solaris because W2K and Linux are not up to the same standards as Solaris today. To repeat, we are looking at a lot of programming beyond Lawson, so our decision was based on more than simply purchasing the next box. We will have our Lawson system on Tru64 for several more years. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Sergey - Sorry for the confusion. Our ERP system is Lawson and I somehow had a brain fart and thought you were on that email list. If you management is just thinking about Unix, then the last thing you want to do is scare them off with an argument about which Unix. Start every reply with "of course all these are excellent choices and it will be no doubt difficult to choose between these really great systems". It sounds as if your application won't be very dependent on the flavor of Unix, so then you don't need to be so concerned about the long-term trends. Boxes are easier to replace than in-house developed software, it's just that software doesn't show up in the financial reports. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, Dennis, Just got back to work and found your message. It's a shame, but I don't know what Lawson is. Well, I used to be a chemical engineer in Soviet Union and didn't know Oracle existed... Anyway, I appreciate your reply. As far as that box, it's supposed to be a box for our main production. We have a pretty simple financial application, but huge OLTP and A LOT of reports. There's no programming except for my short scripts which I create to extend the app functionality (it is VERY old). The company is very lax on investments. Nonetheless, they're contemplating a switch to UNIX, and that I call a major move! Let's see what happens. Thanks for your reply again. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - One factor you may want to consider is the timeframe of your decision. If it is just a decision for your Lawson box, then that isn't so critical. It is pretty easy to move Lawson from one system to another. Last fall we were looking at making a decision for all our systems. We are on Compaq Tru64, and that doesn't have a long future ahead of it. The META Group advice was that only three operating systems can be considered to have a stable future: 1. MS W2K 2. Linux 3. Solaris Most of the other Unix vendors are facing the next generation of computer chip architecture. I don't believe that HP is investing in the next generation itself, but will be switching to the new Intel 64-bit chips. Based on that advice, we chose Solaris because W2K and Linux are not up to the same standards as Solaris today. To repeat, we are looking at a lot of programming beyond Lawson, so our decision was based on more than simply purchasing the next box. We will have our Lawson system on Tru64 for several more years. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other inf
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Thanks, Dennis, my boss is thinking HP already. As far as flavor of UNIX, that wouldn't matter much. I'll have to learn it from scratch anyway. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - Sorry for the confusion. Our ERP system is Lawson and I somehow had a brain fart and thought you were on that email list. If you management is just thinking about Unix, then the last thing you want to do is scare them off with an argument about which Unix. Start every reply with "of course all these are excellent choices and it will be no doubt difficult to choose between these really great systems". It sounds as if your application won't be very dependent on the flavor of Unix, so then you don't need to be so concerned about the long-term trends. Boxes are easier to replace than in-house developed software, it's just that software doesn't show up in the financial reports. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, Dennis, Just got back to work and found your message. It's a shame, but I don't know what Lawson is. Well, I used to be a chemical engineer in Soviet Union and didn't know Oracle existed... Anyway, I appreciate your reply. As far as that box, it's supposed to be a box for our main production. We have a pretty simple financial application, but huge OLTP and A LOT of reports. There's no programming except for my short scripts which I create to extend the app functionality (it is VERY old). The company is very lax on investments. Nonetheless, they're contemplating a switch to UNIX, and that I call a major move! Let's see what happens. Thanks for your reply again. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - One factor you may want to consider is the timeframe of your decision. If it is just a decision for your Lawson box, then that isn't so critical. It is pretty easy to move Lawson from one system to another. Last fall we were looking at making a decision for all our systems. We are on Compaq Tru64, and that doesn't have a long future ahead of it. The META Group advice was that only three operating systems can be considered to have a stable future: 1. MS W2K 2. Linux 3. Solaris Most of the other Unix vendors are facing the next generation of computer chip architecture. I don't believe that HP is investing in the next generation itself, but will be switching to the new Intel 64-bit chips. Based on that advice, we chose Solaris because W2K and Linux are not up to the same standards as Solaris today. To repeat, we are looking at a lot of programming beyond Lawson, so our decision was based on more than simply purchasing the next box. We will have our Lawson system on Tru64 for several more years. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists ---
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
I have both Sun and HP boxes. IMHO for OS installation and hardware replacement, Sun is much easier than HP. Actually, I've found everything easier on Sun, but for the really hard core SA stuff, I do rely on the SA "gods" here and they probably have a different opinion than I do. My bias toward Sun is mostly from better familiarity with Sun than HP and I haven't noticed the Sun machines being any less stable than the HP's for anything. Julie Fisher Sandia National Laboratories Oracle 8i DBA - OCP8i Solaris 2.6,7/HP-UX 11.0 System Administrator Web Server Administrator -Original Message- Sent: January 21, 2002 2:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks, Dennis, my boss is thinking HP already. As far as flavor of UNIX, that wouldn't matter much. I'll have to learn it from scratch anyway. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - Sorry for the confusion. Our ERP system is Lawson and I somehow had a brain fart and thought you were on that email list. If you management is just thinking about Unix, then the last thing you want to do is scare them off with an argument about which Unix. Start every reply with "of course all these are excellent choices and it will be no doubt difficult to choose between these really great systems". It sounds as if your application won't be very dependent on the flavor of Unix, so then you don't need to be so concerned about the long-term trends. Boxes are easier to replace than in-house developed software, it's just that software doesn't show up in the financial reports. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, Dennis, Just got back to work and found your message. It's a shame, but I don't know what Lawson is. Well, I used to be a chemical engineer in Soviet Union and didn't know Oracle existed... Anyway, I appreciate your reply. As far as that box, it's supposed to be a box for our main production. We have a pretty simple financial application, but huge OLTP and A LOT of reports. There's no programming except for my short scripts which I create to extend the app functionality (it is VERY old). The company is very lax on investments. Nonetheless, they're contemplating a switch to UNIX, and that I call a major move! Let's see what happens. Thanks for your reply again. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - One factor you may want to consider is the timeframe of your decision. If it is just a decision for your Lawson box, then that isn't so critical. It is pretty easy to move Lawson from one system to another. Last fall we were looking at making a decision for all our systems. We are on Compaq Tru64, and that doesn't have a long future ahead of it. The META Group advice was that only three operating systems can be considered to have a stable future: 1. MS W2K 2. Linux 3. Solaris Most of the other Unix vendors are facing the next generation of computer chip architecture. I don't believe that HP is investing in the next generation itself, but will be switching to the new Intel 64-bit chips. Based on that advice, we chose Solaris because W2K and Linux are not up to the same standards as Solaris today. To repeat, we are looking at a lot of programming beyond Lawson, so our decision was based on more than simply purchasing the next box. We will have our Lawson system on Tru64 for several more years. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message----- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To:
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
The sa's here installed "top" on all the solaris servers. It's not bundled with the OS but it is available as solaris freeware. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 5:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box I have both Sun and HP boxes. IMHO for OS installation and hardware replacement, Sun is much easier than HP. Actually, I've found everything easier on Sun, but for the really hard core SA stuff, I do rely on the SA "gods" here and they probably have a different opinion than I do. My bias toward Sun is mostly from better familiarity with Sun than HP and I haven't noticed the Sun machines being any less stable than the HP's for anything. Julie Fisher Sandia National Laboratories Oracle 8i DBA - OCP8i Solaris 2.6,7/HP-UX 11.0 System Administrator Web Server Administrator -Original Message- Sent: January 21, 2002 2:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks, Dennis, my boss is thinking HP already. As far as flavor of UNIX, that wouldn't matter much. I'll have to learn it from scratch anyway. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - Sorry for the confusion. Our ERP system is Lawson and I somehow had a brain fart and thought you were on that email list. If you management is just thinking about Unix, then the last thing you want to do is scare them off with an argument about which Unix. Start every reply with "of course all these are excellent choices and it will be no doubt difficult to choose between these really great systems". It sounds as if your application won't be very dependent on the flavor of Unix, so then you don't need to be so concerned about the long-term trends. Boxes are easier to replace than in-house developed software, it's just that software doesn't show up in the financial reports. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, Dennis, Just got back to work and found your message. It's a shame, but I don't know what Lawson is. Well, I used to be a chemical engineer in Soviet Union and didn't know Oracle existed... Anyway, I appreciate your reply. As far as that box, it's supposed to be a box for our main production. We have a pretty simple financial application, but huge OLTP and A LOT of reports. There's no programming except for my short scripts which I create to extend the app functionality (it is VERY old). The company is very lax on investments. Nonetheless, they're contemplating a switch to UNIX, and that I call a major move! Let's see what happens. Thanks for your reply again. Best regards, Sergey -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - One factor you may want to consider is the timeframe of your decision. If it is just a decision for your Lawson box, then that isn't so critical. It is pretty easy to move Lawson from one system to another. Last fall we were looking at making a decision for all our systems. We are on Compaq Tru64, and that doesn't have a long future ahead of it. The META Group advice was that only three operating systems can be considered to have a stable future: 1. MS W2K 2. Linux 3. Solaris Most of the other Unix vendors are facing the next generation of computer chip architecture. I don't believe that HP is investing in the next generation itself, but will be switching to the new Intel 64-bit chips. Based on that advice, we chose Solaris because W2K and Linux are not up to the same standards as Solaris today. To repeat, we are looking at a lot of programming beyond Lawson, so our decision was based on more than simply purchasing the next box. We will have our Lawson system on Tru64 for several more years. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Stay with HP. It's
RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Thank you for your input. Regards, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 4:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box I have both Sun and HP boxes. IMHO for OS installation and hardware replacement, Sun is much easier than HP. Actually, I've found everything easier on Sun, but for the really hard core SA stuff, I do rely on the SA "gods" here and they probably have a different opinion than I do. My bias toward Sun is mostly from better familiarity with Sun than HP and I haven't noticed the Sun machines being any less stable than the HP's for anything. Julie Fisher Sandia National Laboratories Oracle 8i DBA - OCP8i Solaris 2.6,7/HP-UX 11.0 System Administrator Web Server Administrator -Original Message- Sent: January 21, 2002 2:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks, Dennis, my boss is thinking HP already. As far as flavor of UNIX, that wouldn't matter much. I'll have to learn it from scratch anyway. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - Sorry for the confusion. Our ERP system is Lawson and I somehow had a brain fart and thought you were on that email list. If you management is just thinking about Unix, then the last thing you want to do is scare them off with an argument about which Unix. Start every reply with "of course all these are excellent choices and it will be no doubt difficult to choose between these really great systems". It sounds as if your application won't be very dependent on the flavor of Unix, so then you don't need to be so concerned about the long-term trends. Boxes are easier to replace than in-house developed software, it's just that software doesn't show up in the financial reports. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, Dennis, Just got back to work and found your message. It's a shame, but I don't know what Lawson is. Well, I used to be a chemical engineer in Soviet Union and didn't know Oracle existed... Anyway, I appreciate your reply. As far as that box, it's supposed to be a box for our main production. We have a pretty simple financial application, but huge OLTP and A LOT of reports. There's no programming except for my short scripts which I create to extend the app functionality (it is VERY old). The company is very lax on investments. Nonetheless, they're contemplating a switch to UNIX, and that I call a major move! Let's see what happens. Thanks for your reply again. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - One factor you may want to consider is the timeframe of your decision. If it is just a decision for your Lawson box, then that isn't so critical. It is pretty easy to move Lawson from one system to another. Last fall we were looking at making a decision for all our systems. We are on Compaq Tru64, and that doesn't have a long future ahead of it. The META Group advice was that only three operating systems can be considered to have a stable future: 1. MS W2K 2. Linux 3. Solaris Most of the other Unix vendors are facing the next generation of computer chip architecture. I don't believe that HP is investing in the next generation itself, but will be switching to the new Intel 64-bit chips. Based on that advice, we chose Solaris because W2K and Linux are not up to the same standards as Solaris today. To repeat, we are looking at a lot of programming beyond Lawson, so our decision was based on more than simply purchasing the next box. We will have our Lawson system on Tru64 for several more years. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message----- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipient
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Hi Sergey ! I happened to run all of the aforementioned O/S (Solaris , HP-UX , AIX and Linux) on most of the platforms. in my opinion Solaris is far more manageable , documented , scalable , stable etc.. O/S than the others. Sun boxes running Solaris have almost as many installations as all the others together. Not to mention that there are far more books , materials and experts who deal with Solaris than with others. 2 more arguments : -- Sun develops Java , and everybody (except for Microsoft) are commited to java , ESPECIALLY Oracle. -- Other vendors (such as HP , IBM etc) produce thousands of products : PCs , printers , scanners , whatever. Sun produces only one hardware - SPARC platforms to run Solaris. They focus on one major thing and they do it best. -Original Message- Sent: 18 January 2002 23:25 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Andrey Bronfin INET: [EMAIL
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The top for Sun is not as good as the top for HP IMO. -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The sa's here installed "top" on all the solaris servers. It's not bundled with the OS but it is available as solaris freeware. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 5:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box I have both Sun and HP boxes. IMHO for OS installation and hardware replacement, Sun is much easier than HP. Actually, I've found everything easier on Sun, but for the really hard core SA stuff, I do rely on the SA "gods" here and they probably have a different opinion than I do. My bias toward Sun is mostly from better familiarity with Sun than HP and I haven't noticed the Sun machines being any less stable than the HP's for anything. Julie Fisher Sandia National Laboratories Oracle 8i DBA - OCP8i Solaris 2.6,7/HP-UX 11.0 System Administrator Web Server Administrator -Original Message- Sent: January 21, 2002 2:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks, Dennis, my boss is thinking HP already. As far as flavor of UNIX, that wouldn't matter much. I'll have to learn it from scratch anyway. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - Sorry for the confusion. Our ERP system is Lawson and I somehow had a brain fart and thought you were on that email list. If you management is just thinking about Unix, then the last thing you want to do is scare them off with an argument about which Unix. Start every reply with "of course all these are excellent choices and it will be no doubt difficult to choose between these really great systems". It sounds as if your application won't be very dependent on the flavor of Unix, so then you don't need to be so concerned about the long-term trends. Boxes are easier to replace than in-house developed software, it's just that software doesn't show up in the financial reports. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, Dennis, Just got back to work and found your message. It's a shame, but I don't know what Lawson is. Well, I used to be a chemical engineer in Soviet Union and didn't know Oracle existed... Anyway, I appreciate your reply. As far as that box, it's supposed to be a box for our main production. We have a pretty simple financial application, but huge OLTP and A LOT of reports. There's no programming except for my short scripts which I create to extend the app functionality (it is VERY old). The company is very lax on investments. Nonetheless, they're contemplating a switch to UNIX, and that I call a major move! Let's see what happens. Thanks for your reply again. Best regards, Sergey -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - One factor you may want to consider is the timeframe of your decision. If it is just a decision for your Lawson box, then that isn't so critical. It is pretty easy to move Lawson from one system to another. Last fall we were looking at making a decision for all our systems. We are on Compaq Tru64, and that doesn't have a long future ahead of it. The META Group advice was that only three operating systems can be considered to have a stable future: 1. MS W2K 2. Linux 3. Solaris Most of the other Unix vendors are facing the next generation of computer chip architecture. I don't believe that HP is investing in the next generation itself, but will be switching to the new Intel 64-bit chips. Based on that advice, we chose Solaris because W2K and Linux are not up to the same standards as Solaris today. To repeat, we are looking at a lot of programming beyond Lawson, so our decision was based on more than simply purchasing the next box. We will have our Lawson system on Tru64 for several more years. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Ori
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AIX 4.3.3 ML8 comes w/ topas, better than top! But I still prefer SUN or HP over IBM or DEC. Those were the days, when OpenVMS clustering worked :) Gene >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 01/22/02 10:00AM >>> The top for Sun is not as good as the top for HP IMO. -Original Message- Patrice J Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 4:40 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L The sa's here installed "top" on all the solaris servers. It's not bundled with the OS but it is available as solaris freeware. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 5:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box I have both Sun and HP boxes. IMHO for OS installation and hardware replacement, Sun is much easier than HP. Actually, I've found everything easier on Sun, but for the really hard core SA stuff, I do rely on the SA "gods" here and they probably have a different opinion than I do. My bias toward Sun is mostly from better familiarity with Sun than HP and I haven't noticed the Sun machines being any less stable than the HP's for anything. Julie Fisher Sandia National Laboratories Oracle 8i DBA - OCP8i Solaris 2.6,7/HP-UX 11.0 System Administrator Web Server Administrator -Original Message- Sent: January 21, 2002 2:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Thanks, Dennis, my boss is thinking HP already. As far as flavor of UNIX, that wouldn't matter much. I'll have to learn it from scratch anyway. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 3:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - Sorry for the confusion. Our ERP system is Lawson and I somehow had a brain fart and thought you were on that email list. If you management is just thinking about Unix, then the last thing you want to do is scare them off with an argument about which Unix. Start every reply with "of course all these are excellent choices and it will be no doubt difficult to choose between these really great systems". It sounds as if your application won't be very dependent on the flavor of Unix, so then you don't need to be so concerned about the long-term trends. Boxes are easier to replace than in-house developed software, it's just that software doesn't show up in the financial reports. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, Dennis, Just got back to work and found your message. It's a shame, but I don't know what Lawson is. Well, I used to be a chemical engineer in Soviet Union and didn't know Oracle existed... Anyway, I appreciate your reply. As far as that box, it's supposed to be a box for our main production. We have a pretty simple financial application, but huge OLTP and A LOT of reports. There's no programming except for my short scripts which I create to extend the app functionality (it is VERY old). The company is very lax on investments. Nonetheless, they're contemplating a switch to UNIX, and that I call a major move! Let's see what happens. Thanks for your reply again. Best regards, Sergey -----Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey - One factor you may want to consider is the timeframe of your decision. If it is just a decision for your Lawson box, then that isn't so critical. It is pretty easy to move Lawson from one system to another. Last fall we were looking at making a decision for all our systems. We are on Compaq Tru64, and that doesn't have a long future ahead of it. The META Group advice was that only three operating systems can be considered to have a stable future: 1. MS W2K 2. Linux 3. Solaris Most of the other Unix vendors are facing the next generation of computer chip architecture. I don't believe that HP is investing in the next generation itself, but will be switching to the new Intel 64-bit chips. Based on that advice, we chose Solaris because W2K and Linux are not up to the same standards as Solaris today. To repeat, we are looking at a lot of programming beyond Lawson, so our decision was based on more than simply purchasing the next box. We will have our Lawson system on Tru64 for several more years. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original M
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Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing:
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Thank you so very much. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containi
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
These threads always crack me up. Its like religious wars. We've got both in house. Most of my stuff runs on the SUN boxes, and I have had no problems with the stability. I guess administration of the HPs is easier, but the Sun SAs aren't complaining so its pretty much a non-issue for us. As far as cost, HP wasn't competitive, Sun was much cheaper. Due to the cost difference we probably wouldn't be buying any more HPs, except when a certain product is only certified on HP or when the purchase decision is made by an HP-centric manager. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
I want to thank everyone for the input. Best regards, Sergey Babich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
When Oracle said Sun was not stable I do not think they meant that in terms of running. I believe they mean that the libraries and what not change to much. When you are trying to code to a particular OS that can be annoying I guess. However, I am getting this not from Oracle themselves so who really knows if its true or not. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L These threads always crack me up. Its like religious wars. We've got both in house. Most of my stuff runs on the SUN boxes, and I have had no problems with the stability. I guess administration of the HPs is easier, but the Sun SAs aren't complaining so its pretty much a non-issue for us. As far as cost, HP wasn't competitive, Sun was much cheaper. Due to the cost difference we probably wouldn't be buying any more HPs, except when a certain product is only certified on HP or when the purchase decision is made by an HP-centric manager. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the na
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Considering I have a brand spanking new Sun box waiting for me in the Server room, this thread has been less than comforting. Not Stable?!? I am starting to miss my DG boxes already. Steve -Original Message- Smith Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
You will be ok. The only issues I have had are the normal hardware issues (CPU gone bad, etc). One thing that did concern me though is I was able to crash a box due to heave IO to one disk. We never did get around to investigating it any further though before they shut the plant. -Original Message- McClure Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Considering I have a brand spanking new Sun box waiting for me in the Server room, this thread has been less than comforting. Not Stable?!? I am starting to miss my DG boxes already. Steve -Original Message- Smith Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
We have all.. HP-UX, Sun, AIX, Irix etc.. No major issues in the past several years. We had EMC go bad a couple of times. But all these servers have never crashed on us all of a sudden (touching wood). A couple of times we did have a couple of HP servers go down, but it was due to our internal problems (you know those - pebkac types) Our flagship application www.superpages.com will soon find a stable home on Sun Servers (from another stable home : SGI Irix), while a couple of other 'Bread & Butter' systems will run on stable AIX and HP-UX. No Linux on the horizon yet!! - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You will be ok. The only issues I have had are the normal hardware issues (CPU gone bad, etc). One thing that did concern me though is I was able to crash a box due to heave IO to one disk. We never did get around to investigating it any further though before they shut the plant. -Original Message- McClure Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Considering I have a brand spanking new Sun box waiting for me in the Server room, this thread has been less than comforting. Not Stable?!? I am starting to miss my DG boxes already. Steve -Original Message- Smith Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
I asked one of the SA's here, and he thinks the move to HP might be political on Oracle's part. I don't know how the HP - Compaq merger will go, that adds uncertainty. Esp. since Compaq has traditionally been an Intel supporter and they gobbled up Digital's Alpha technology. Meanwhile Scott McNealy (Sun) was probably looking forward to a Remedy against Microsoft, which might have had an impact on Wintel (the MS - Intel alliance). That fell through when the Republicans were elected. Now Sun is dropping Solaris for Intel. Sun and Veritas were very closely allied, I don't know how Veritas is doing compared to others, e.g. OpenStorage. I don't know where all this is going, but my sense is that there are shifts taking place on the market. Larry must be positioning Oracle to take advantage of whatever player will emerge as the dominant one. Recessions have a way of scrambling everybody's plans. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
