RE: Microsoft XP

[Boivin, Patrice J]

Re. WindowsXP, there is a little debate going on between a security analyst
and Microsoft.

http://grc.com/dos/sockettome.htm  

Microsoft posted a response on their web site, on the security page.

I don't know who is right in all this.

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

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Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of
Microsoft is
having getting released ??

One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They
make
sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its
functionality
based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to
be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big,
like a
Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it
thinks you
have installed it on a different machine.

Anyone have options on the new XP ?
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RE: Microsoft XP

[Christopher Spence]

I have XP from MSDN, but I have yet to attemp to even try it.


"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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And I assure you, you are not alone. People who are likely to go for newer
operating systems are the ones who would also keep upgrading their systems'
hardware - so Microsoft's policy is going to raise more than eyebrows... 
As for Windows XP, the look and feel is just awesome - the look has been
definitely borrowed from Linux Desktops... the folder icons are exactly the
same...

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Sell it on ebay or at a show, Just this year alone I had the following
equipment changed

Dual 700 -> Dual 1000
Dual 1000 -> Amd 1.4
Amd 1.4 -> Dual Amd 1.5
512Mb ram -> 1Gb ram
Gforce 2 -> Gforce 3
18Gb Cheetah + 9gb cheetah -> 128Mb writeback cache 100MHz raid with 2x18
Cheetah raid 0 + 2 9gb cheetah 21" ViewSonic -> 20" Sun flat plasma JBL Pro
Logic 5 + 8" Sub -> Klipsch 4.1 SB Live -> Santa Cruiz 4x4x16 CD-R -> 12x CD
32x CD -> 5x DVD

U10 -> 2 x Blade 100

If I remember, that is all I changed this year on my main machine.  I guess
I can be said to be obsessive.


"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863




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Every two to three months, what do you do with all of the old hardware? I
thought I was bad because I bought a new machine after a year, sheesh:) kK

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Spence
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:40 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I will be using Win2000 for some time because of that crap.  My computer
gets upgraded every 2 -3 months.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863




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If you buy the Server Version it does not have this limitation.

--Michael

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Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft is
having getting released ??

One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They make
sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its functionality
based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big, like a
Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it thinks you
have installed it on a different machine.

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RE: Microsoft XP

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

For the love of God Chris!!!  I thought I had a problem, but jeez, you are
out of controll!!!  Dual 1.5 Athlon Thunerbirds?  Wow that must kick some
serious a...  I am very pleased so far with my new setup, Thunderbird at
1GHZ, 512MB PC133, Gforce2, 20GIG ata100, 20gig ATA66, 12X10X32, 45cdrom.
The best part is, all of the drives are on there own channel, it's a very
nice machine and one heck of an improvement over my last K6II/550, man that
thing overheated left and right!!  The best part is just how cheap the AMD's
are, only 120 for the processor..whoo hooo!!

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Spence
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Sell it on ebay or at a show, Just this year alone I had the following
equipment changed

Dual 700 -> Dual 1000
Dual 1000 -> Amd 1.4
Amd 1.4 -> Dual Amd 1.5
512Mb ram -> 1Gb ram
Gforce 2 -> Gforce 3
18Gb Cheetah + 9gb cheetah -> 128Mb writeback cache 100MHz raid with 2x18
Cheetah raid 0 + 2 9gb cheetah
21" ViewSonic -> 20" Sun flat plasma
JBL Pro Logic 5 + 8" Sub -> Klipsch 4.1
SB Live -> Santa Cruiz
4x4x16 CD-R -> 12x CD
32x CD -> 5x DVD

U10 -> 2 x Blade 100

If I remember, that is all I changed this year on my main machine.  I guess
I can be said to be obsessive.


"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863




-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:15 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Every two to three months, what do you do with all of the old hardware?   I
thought I was bad because I bought a new machine after a year, sheesh:) kK

-Original Message-
Spence
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:40 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I will be using Win2000 for some time because of that crap.  My computer
gets upgraded every 2 -3 months.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863




-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 6:06 PM
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If you buy the Server Version it does not have this limitation.

--Michael

-Original Message-
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft is
having getting released ??

One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They make
sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its functionality
based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big, like a
Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it thinks you
have installed it on a different machine.

Anyone have options on the new XP ?
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RE: Microsoft XP

[Sinha, Shashank (MED, TCS)]

And I assure you, you are not alone. People who are likely to go for
newer operating systems are the ones who would also keep upgrading their
systems' hardware - so Microsoft's policy is going to raise more than
eyebrows... 
As for Windows XP, the look and feel is just awesome - the look has been
definitely borrowed from Linux Desktops... the folder icons are exactly
the same...

-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:59 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L

Sell it on ebay or at a show, Just this year alone I had the following
equipment changed

Dual 700 -> Dual 1000
Dual 1000 -> Amd 1.4
Amd 1.4 -> Dual Amd 1.5
512Mb ram -> 1Gb ram
Gforce 2 -> Gforce 3
18Gb Cheetah + 9gb cheetah -> 128Mb writeback cache 100MHz raid with
2x18
Cheetah raid 0 + 2 9gb cheetah
21" ViewSonic -> 20" Sun flat plasma
JBL Pro Logic 5 + 8" Sub -> Klipsch 4.1
SB Live -> Santa Cruiz
4x4x16 CD-R -> 12x CD
32x CD -> 5x DVD

U10 -> 2 x Blade 100

If I remember, that is all I changed this year on my main machine.  I
guess
I can be said to be obsessive.


"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863




-Original Message-
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:15 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Every two to three months, what do you do with all of the old hardware?
I
thought I was bad because I bought a new machine after a year, sheesh:)
kK

-Original Message-
Spence
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:40 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I will be using Win2000 for some time because of that crap.  My computer
gets upgraded every 2 -3 months.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that
way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863




-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 6:06 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


If you buy the Server Version it does not have this limitation.

--Michael

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:40 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft
is
having getting released ??

One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They
make
sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its
functionality
based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big,
like a
Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it thinks
you
have installed it on a different machine.

Anyone have options on the new XP ?
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RE: Microsoft XP

[Sinha, Shashank (MED, TCS)]

It is insane!! How can you expect someone to NOT upgrade?
Just a year back, it was a BIG configuration if you had 32 MB RAM, and 2
Gig drive. 
Now, they have these 60Gig hard drives, and the newer OS's and
application really hog space like they assume you have 20+ drive. And 32
MB RAM? Many apps would laugh in its face. 
Does Microsoft assume that we won't be moving on to these in a year if
not in the next six months??? And that would mean re-licensing XP every
time I moved from 64 -> 128--> 256RAM???  
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NASCAR game?  heheheh  I am more into shoot'em games like Mechwarrior, I
imagine that all of the other players are all of the new jersey drivers
that
pissed me off on my way home:)
kK

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Now see, that is why I have no issues with Windows 2000.  Only game I
play
is Freecell.  Although I did install a Nascar game but no time to play
it:-(

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Beware of upgrading 98 to 2k.  OS works fine, but games don't work
anymore
:(.  I had to restore back to 98.  Thats what you get when you pirate
games,
no updates :)

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/01 06:58PM >>>
I have not seen XP myself but a co-worker likes it.  He was running
2000, which is what I run.  What issues did you have installing W2K?
It was pretty straight forward.  The only issue I had was my motherboard
is a RAID board and I had to use the drivers supplied.  I keep going
past the section where they were prompting me to switch to the a: drive
without noticing a couple of times before I noticed.

You can also upgrade 98 with 2000.  I did a couple of machines at the
office
with no issues whatsoever.  Just make sure you got drivers for 2000
before hand since you computer is new.

I don't know what other people will say but so far its been very stable
for me, both at work and home.

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well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!
You
know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring
out
how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft
is
having getting released ??

One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They
make
sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its
functionality
based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big,
like a
Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it thinks
you
have installed it on a different machine.

Anyone have options on the new XP ?
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RE: Microsoft XP

[Christopher Spence]

Sell it on ebay or at a show, Just this year alone I had the following
equipment changed

Dual 700 -> Dual 1000
Dual 1000 -> Amd 1.4
Amd 1.4 -> Dual Amd 1.5
512Mb ram -> 1Gb ram
Gforce 2 -> Gforce 3
18Gb Cheetah + 9gb cheetah -> 128Mb writeback cache 100MHz raid with 2x18
Cheetah raid 0 + 2 9gb cheetah
21" ViewSonic -> 20" Sun flat plasma
JBL Pro Logic 5 + 8" Sub -> Klipsch 4.1
SB Live -> Santa Cruiz
4x4x16 CD-R -> 12x CD
32x CD -> 5x DVD

U10 -> 2 x Blade 100

If I remember, that is all I changed this year on my main machine.  I guess
I can be said to be obsessive.


"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence 
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863
 



-Original Message-
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To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Every two to three months, what do you do with all of the old hardware?   I
thought I was bad because I bought a new machine after a year, sheesh:) kK

-Original Message-
Spence
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 10:40 AM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


I will be using Win2000 for some time because of that crap.  My computer
gets upgraded every 2 -3 months.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

Christopher R. Spence
Oracle DBA
Phone: (978) 322-5744
Fax:(707) 885-2275

Fuelspot
73 Princeton Street
North, Chelmsford 01863




-Original Message-
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If you buy the Server Version it does not have this limitation.

--Michael

-Original Message-
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:40 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft is
having getting released ??

One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They make
sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its functionality
based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big, like a
Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it thinks you
have installed it on a different machine.

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RE: Microsoft XP

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

NASCAR game?  heheheh  I am more into shoot'em games like Mechwarrior, I
imagine that all of the other players are all of the new jersey drivers that
pissed me off on my way home:)
kK

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Now see, that is why I have no issues with Windows 2000.  Only game I play
is Freecell.  Although I did install a Nascar game but no time to play it:-(

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Beware of upgrading 98 to 2k.  OS works fine, but games don't work anymore
:(.  I had to restore back to 98.  Thats what you get when you pirate games,
no updates :)

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/01 06:58PM >>>
I have not seen XP myself but a co-worker likes it.  He was running
2000, which is what I run.  What issues did you have installing W2K?
It was pretty straight forward.  The only issue I had was my motherboard
is a RAID board and I had to use the drivers supplied.  I keep going
past the section where they were prompting me to switch to the a: drive
without noticing a couple of times before I noticed.

You can also upgrade 98 with 2000.  I did a couple of machines at the office
with no issues whatsoever.  Just make sure you got drivers for 2000
before hand since you computer is new.

I don't know what other people will say but so far its been very stable
for me, both at work and home.

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well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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RE: Microsoft XP

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

Every two to three months, what do you do with all of the old hardware?   I
thought I was bad because I bought a new machine after a year, sheesh:)
kK

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I will be using Win2000 for some time because of that crap.  My computer
gets upgraded every 2 -3 months.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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If you buy the Server Version it does not have this limitation.

--Michael

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RE: Microsoft XP

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Now see, that is why I have no issues with Windows 2000.  Only game I play
is Freecell.  Although I did install a Nascar game but no time to play it:-(

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Beware of upgrading 98 to 2k.  OS works fine, but games don't work anymore
:(.  I had to restore back to 98.  Thats what you get when you pirate games,
no updates :)

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/01 06:58PM >>>
I have not seen XP myself but a co-worker likes it.  He was running
2000, which is what I run.  What issues did you have installing W2K?
It was pretty straight forward.  The only issue I had was my motherboard
is a RAID board and I had to use the drivers supplied.  I keep going 
past the section where they were prompting me to switch to the a: drive
without noticing a couple of times before I noticed.  

You can also upgrade 98 with 2000.  I did a couple of machines at the office
with no issues whatsoever.  Just make sure you got drivers for 2000
before hand since you computer is new.

I don't know what other people will say but so far its been very stable
for me, both at work and home.

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well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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RE: Microsoft XP

[Kevin Lange]

Mark;
  No neccessary.  I have win2k on mine.  I was just asking the room after
reading an article in the local news paper.

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Kevin,

My advice would be to type:

C:\>format c:\

Then install Win2K from the outset! The install is painless, and the O/S is
a HELL of a lot more stable. Don't bother upgrading from 98 -> 2000, as you
*can* get software driver problems etc.

Now I also know (like me) you're a gamer, (is this why you went for 98
also?), and Win2K gets some bad press in this world too - I can
categorically state that given a stable machine, and provided you monitor
what is installed on your system, and don't install crappy apps, the system
will run sweet as a nut!

Go on, take the plunge!!

Mark

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well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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RE: Microsoft XP

[Christopher Spence]

I will be using Win2000 for some time because of that crap.  My computer
gets upgraded every 2 -3 months.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
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If you buy the Server Version it does not have this limitation.

--Michael

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RE: Microsoft XP

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

Yeah, but you could do it from the a drive.  You also can't install win2k
from dos:)
KK

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Sorry, but "format c:" will not run if you're on c: partition (anf if c: is
system partition).  :-)

JP

Dne pa 24. srpen 2001 11:32 jste napsal(a):
> Kevin,
>
> My advice would be to type:
>
> C:\>format c:\
>
> Then install Win2K from the outset! The install is painless, and the O/S
is
> a HELL of a lot more stable. Don't bother upgrading from 98 -> 2000, as
you
> *can* get software driver problems etc.
>
> Now I also know (like me) you're a gamer, (is this why you went for 98
> also?), and Win2K gets some bad press in this world too - I can
> categorically state that given a stable machine, and provided you monitor
> what is installed on your system, and don't install crappy apps, the
system
> will run sweet as a nut!
>
> Go on, take the plunge!!
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> Kostyszyn
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 22:52
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
> know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
> installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
> how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
> that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.
>
> -Original Message-
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>
>
> Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft is
> having getting released ??
>
> One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They make
> sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its
> functionality based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration
> has to be registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it
> is installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big,
> like a Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it
> thinks you have installed it on a different machine.
>
> Anyone have options on the new XP ?
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RE: Microsoft XP

[Christopher Spence]

One thing I noticed, M$ will not allow you to do redundancy raid (1, 5, 0+1)
in Windows Professsional.  It will fail the install.  You can only seem to
use Raid 0 (even hardware raid contorllers) some how it figures this out and
forces you to use server. Sucks if you ask me.

"Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way
when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes."

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I have not seen XP myself but a co-worker likes it.  He was running 2000,
which is what I run.  What issues did you have installing W2K? It was pretty
straight forward.  The only issue I had was my motherboard is a RAID board
and I had to use the drivers supplied.  I keep going 
past the section where they were prompting me to switch to the a: drive
without noticing a couple of times before I noticed.  

You can also upgrade 98 with 2000.  I did a couple of machines at the office
with no issues whatsoever.  Just make sure you got drivers for 2000 before
hand since you computer is new.

I don't know what other people will say but so far its been very stable for
me, both at work and home.

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well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
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installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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RE: Microsoft XP

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

Mark,
Like I said it wasn't that I couldn't install it, I just wasn't sure where
the drivers were.  I know it's a lot more stable, but I heard the same
things you stated.  I am a gamer and I heard it doesn't get along so well
with some games drivers etc.  I am going to have to do it though, with this
new machine it's like I have a Ferrari with a toyota tercel engine in it:)
KK

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Kevin,

My advice would be to type:

C:\>format c:\

Then install Win2K from the outset! The install is painless, and the O/S is
a HELL of a lot more stable. Don't bother upgrading from 98 -> 2000, as you
*can* get software driver problems etc.

Now I also know (like me) you're a gamer, (is this why you went for 98
also?), and Win2K gets some bad press in this world too - I can
categorically state that given a stable machine, and provided you monitor
what is installed on your system, and don't install crappy apps, the system
will run sweet as a nut!

Go on, take the plunge!!

Mark

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well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
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RE: Microsoft XP

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

Kimberly,
Don't get me wrong, I have 2k on a couple of machines and it is very stable
compared to 98 and NT.  Problem is the motherboard I purchased has a Promise
ATA100 controller on the board, and I would have had to had installed the
drivers before installation.  However, I wasn't sure where they were and
didn't feel like looking for them.  Also, some programs, especially games
with opengl and direct x and stuff like that still don't like 2k.  I believe
down the road I'll wind up installing it.
KK

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I have not seen XP myself but a co-worker likes it.  He was running
2000, which is what I run.  What issues did you have installing W2K?
It was pretty straight forward.  The only issue I had was my motherboard
is a RAID board and I had to use the drivers supplied.  I keep going
past the section where they were prompting me to switch to the a: drive
without noticing a couple of times before I noticed.

You can also upgrade 98 with 2000.  I did a couple of machines at the office
with no issues whatsoever.  Just make sure you got drivers for 2000
before hand since you computer is new.

I don't know what other people will say but so far its been very stable
for me, both at work and home.

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well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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RE: Microsoft XP

[Gene Sais]

Beware of upgrading 98 to 2k.  OS works fine, but games don't work anymore :(.  I had 
to restore back to 98.  Thats what you get when you pirate games, no updates :)

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/23/01 06:58PM >>>
I have not seen XP myself but a co-worker likes it.  He was running
2000, which is what I run.  What issues did you have installing W2K?
It was pretty straight forward.  The only issue I had was my motherboard
is a RAID board and I had to use the drivers supplied.  I keep going 
past the section where they were prompting me to switch to the a: drive
without noticing a couple of times before I noticed.  

You can also upgrade 98 with 2000.  I did a couple of machines at the office
with no issues whatsoever.  Just make sure you got drivers for 2000
before hand since you computer is new.

I don't know what other people will say but so far its been very stable
for me, both at work and home.

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installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
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that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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RE: Microsoft XP

[Mark Leith]

Ahh of course you are right - :P I didn't elaborate (slaps my own wrist :)

If this is the case - insert your boot disk (I'm not sure whether you would
want the 98 or 2000 one at this stage though, as I've never wiped and
upgraded along this path), and use the following:

C:\>format c: /s

Then insert a LINUX CD.. lol.. no I'm not a UNIX bigot..

Mark

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Sorry, but "format c:" will not run if you're on c: partition (anf if c: is
system partition).  :-)

JP

Dne pá 24. srpen 2001 11:32 jste napsal(a):
> Kevin,
>
> My advice would be to type:
>
> C:\>format c:\
>
> Then install Win2K from the outset! The install is painless, and the O/S
is
> a HELL of a lot more stable. Don't bother upgrading from 98 -> 2000, as
you
> *can* get software driver problems etc.
>
> Now I also know (like me) you're a gamer, (is this why you went for 98
> also?), and Win2K gets some bad press in this world too - I can
> categorically state that given a stable machine, and provided you monitor
> what is installed on your system, and don't install crappy apps, the
system
> will run sweet as a nut!
>
> Go on, take the plunge!!
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> Kostyszyn
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 22:52
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
> know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
> installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
> how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
> that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:40 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft is
> having getting released ??
>
> One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They make
> sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its
> functionality based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration
> has to be registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it
> is installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big,
> like a Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it
> thinks you have installed it on a different machine.
>
> Anyone have options on the new XP ?
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Re: Microsoft XP

[Jan Pruner]

Sorry, but "format c:" will not run if you're on c: partition (anf if c: is 
system partition).  :-)

JP

Dne pá 24. srpen 2001 11:32 jste napsal(a):
> Kevin,
>
> My advice would be to type:
>
> C:\>format c:\
>
> Then install Win2K from the outset! The install is painless, and the O/S is
> a HELL of a lot more stable. Don't bother upgrading from 98 -> 2000, as you
> *can* get software driver problems etc.
>
> Now I also know (like me) you're a gamer, (is this why you went for 98
> also?), and Win2K gets some bad press in this world too - I can
> categorically state that given a stable machine, and provided you monitor
> what is installed on your system, and don't install crappy apps, the system
> will run sweet as a nut!
>
> Go on, take the plunge!!
>
> Mark
>
> -Original Message-
> Kostyszyn
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 22:52
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
> know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
> installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
> how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
> that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.
>
> -Original Message-
> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:40 PM
> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
>
>
> Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft is
> having getting released ??
>
> One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They make
> sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its
> functionality based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration
> has to be registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it
> is installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big,
> like a Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it
> thinks you have installed it on a different machine.
>
> Anyone have options on the new XP ?
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RE: Microsoft XP

[Mark Leith]

Kevin,

My advice would be to type:

C:\>format c:\

Then install Win2K from the outset! The install is painless, and the O/S is
a HELL of a lot more stable. Don't bother upgrading from 98 -> 2000, as you
*can* get software driver problems etc.

Now I also know (like me) you're a gamer, (is this why you went for 98
also?), and Win2K gets some bad press in this world too - I can
categorically state that given a stable machine, and provided you monitor
what is installed on your system, and don't install crappy apps, the system
will run sweet as a nut!

Go on, take the plunge!!

Mark

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well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft is
having getting released ??

One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They make
sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its functionality
based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big, like a
Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it thinks you
have installed it on a different machine.

Anyone have options on the new XP ?
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Re: Microsoft XP

[Thater, William]

Kimberly Smith wrote:

>
>
>I don't know what other people will say but so far its been very stable
>for me, both at work and home.
>
i have a new work issued laptop running 2000, and i've found it to be 
very stable and much nicer than the NT4.0 i was running before.


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RE: Microsoft XP

[Kimberly Smith]

I have not seen XP myself but a co-worker likes it.  He was running
2000, which is what I run.  What issues did you have installing W2K?
It was pretty straight forward.  The only issue I had was my motherboard
is a RAID board and I had to use the drivers supplied.  I keep going 
past the section where they were prompting me to switch to the a: drive
without noticing a couple of times before I noticed.  

You can also upgrade 98 with 2000.  I did a couple of machines at the office
with no issues whatsoever.  Just make sure you got drivers for 2000
before hand since you computer is new.

I don't know what other people will say but so far its been very stable
for me, both at work and home.

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well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft is
having getting released ??

One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They make
sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its functionality
based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big, like a
Network Card or  cpu chip, your system will not boot because it thinks you
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RE: Microsoft XP

[Kevin Kostyszyn]

well screw that!!  They can keep XP, I am staying away from it now!!  You
know, I just built myself a sweet monstosity of a machine at home.  I
installed Windows 98 because I have it and it was easier than figuring out
how to install win2k.  Now I am so frustrated with the instability of it
that I am almost depressed.  Oh what to do.

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Has anyone heard of all the troubles that the new version of Microsoft is
having getting released ??

One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They make
sure you are using it only on a specific machine by having its functionality
based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
installed or everything stops working.  If you change something big, like a
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RE: Microsoft XP

[Jenkins, Michael]

If you buy the Server Version it does not have this limitation.

--Michael

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One of the ugliest things I see is their new licensing scheme.  They make
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based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
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RE: Microsoft XP

More importantly to this ( I feel ) is the new raw sockets ability in
windows XP. I don't know how many have seen this but take a look at the DOS
pages on Gibson Research - http://grc.com/dos/intro.htm
With particular reference to the pages regarding how the raw stack will
allow 'hackers' to completely spoof the identity of the machines involved in
(D)DoS.
http://grc.com/dos/xpsummary.htm

there's my two cents :)

Michael.

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based on hardware items on your system.   This configuration has to be
registered either by phone or by internet about a month after it is
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RE: Microsoft XP

[Jamadagni, Rajendra]

Well have a look at http://www.licenturion.com they almost broke how it
works and they also have a demo program that would simulate it. This logic
applies to an earlier release, so may not be applicable to final release,
but the technical description is very interesting. Pretty sleek system, it
basically *knows* about your system, but only the HW aspect, not the SW
aspect.

HTH
Raj
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