RE: Open Source Security Comes Under Fire
Rodd, Where do you see evidence that Ziff-Davis is owned by Microsoft? The links seem to lead to a UK publishing firm. www.ziffdavis.com -- http://www.willisstein.com/ -- www.emac.com Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Go figure. This was published on a ZiffDavis news site. ZD is either majority or wholly owned by Microsoft. Do you suppose there might be a bit of a slant there? Rodd Holman On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 10:23, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Patrice - Amazing how these things happen. A few weeks ago a report listed Microsoft products as among the worst security risks. Microsoft immediately attacked the report. Then by an amazing coincidence, an impartial organization releases a report stating that Microsoft's greatest competitor, the free people, are actually the greatest security risk. Somebody refresh my memory -- wasn't it the Aberdeen Group that Larry hired the private eye to get some proof that they were just shills for Microsoft, and the guy was caught dumpster diving? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FYI. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst?mes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R?gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Open Source Security Comes Under Fire
David Coursey, one of their Editors/Columnists made the disclaimer some time back when he was comparing different software offerings of some type. He mentioned that MS had some type of ownership in them or their parent company. I don't recall which. Rodd On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 08:03, Boivin, Patrice J wrote: Rodd, Where do you see evidence that Ziff-Davis is owned by Microsoft? The links seem to lead to a UK publishing firm. www.ziffdavis.com -- http://www.willisstein.com/ -- www.emac.com Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Go figure. This was published on a ZiffDavis news site. ZD is either majority or wholly owned by Microsoft. Do you suppose there might be a bit of a slant there? Rodd Holman On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 10:23, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Patrice - Amazing how these things happen. A few weeks ago a report listed Microsoft products as among the worst security risks. Microsoft immediately attacked the report. Then by an amazing coincidence, an impartial organization releases a report stating that Microsoft's greatest competitor, the free people, are actually the greatest security risk. Somebody refresh my memory -- wasn't it the Aberdeen Group that Larry hired the private eye to get some proof that they were just shills for Microsoft, and the guy was caught dumpster diving? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FYI. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst?mes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R?gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Open Source Security Comes Under Fire
Ok, thanks. After trying to follow the trail of owners, I think tracking who owns what is a full-time job... Pat. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 11:14 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L David Coursey, one of their Editors/Columnists made the disclaimer some time back when he was comparing different software offerings of some type. He mentioned that MS had some type of ownership in them or their parent company. I don't recall which. Rodd On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 08:03, Boivin, Patrice J wrote: Rodd, Where do you see evidence that Ziff-Davis is owned by Microsoft? The links seem to lead to a UK publishing firm. www.ziffdavis.com -- http://www.willisstein.com/ -- www.emac.com Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Go figure. This was published on a ZiffDavis news site. ZD is either majority or wholly owned by Microsoft. Do you suppose there might be a bit of a slant there? Rodd Holman On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 10:23, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Patrice - Amazing how these things happen. A few weeks ago a report listed Microsoft products as among the worst security risks. Microsoft immediately attacked the report. Then by an amazing coincidence, an impartial organization releases a report stating that Microsoft's greatest competitor, the free people, are actually the greatest security risk. Somebody refresh my memory -- wasn't it the Aberdeen Group that Larry hired the private eye to get some proof that they were just shills for Microsoft, and the guy was caught dumpster diving? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FYI. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst?mes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R?gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Open Source Security Comes Under Fire
Okay, since I provided the original remark that provoked this line of discussion, let me clarify. The organization I was asking whether they were a shill for Microsoft is the Aberdeen Group, the people that did the report that made Microsoft look great and Linux look bad. I don't think it matters which news organization reports the findings, since Aberdeen is a fairly prominent organization. I did a search and found the name of the organizations that Oracle had investigated. Here is the news excerpt: Oracle hired Investigative Group International to probe two research organizations, the Independence Institute and the National Taxpayers Union. The company sought to verify links between Microsoft and the organizations during its antitrust trial--and even tried to buy trash from another research group with close ties to Microsoft. Oracle told Bloomberg News today it discovered that the two organizations were misrepresenting themselves as independent advocacy groups when they were in fact funded by Microsoft. Oracle said the company hired the detective agency because the organizations were releasing studies supporting Microsoft during the antitrust trial. The financial ties between the organizations were reported by The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post. Dennis Williams DBA, 40%OCP Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:04 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rodd, Where do you see evidence that Ziff-Davis is owned by Microsoft? The links seem to lead to a UK publishing firm. www.ziffdavis.com -- http://www.willisstein.com/ -- www.emac.com Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Go figure. This was published on a ZiffDavis news site. ZD is either majority or wholly owned by Microsoft. Do you suppose there might be a bit of a slant there? Rodd Holman On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 10:23, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Patrice - Amazing how these things happen. A few weeks ago a report listed Microsoft products as among the worst security risks. Microsoft immediately attacked the report. Then by an amazing coincidence, an impartial organization releases a report stating that Microsoft's greatest competitor, the free people, are actually the greatest security risk. Somebody refresh my memory -- wasn't it the Aberdeen Group that Larry hired the private eye to get some proof that they were just shills for Microsoft, and the guy was caught dumpster diving? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FYI. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst?mes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R?gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing
RE: Open Source Security Comes Under Fire
Patrice - Amazing how these things happen. A few weeks ago a report listed Microsoft products as among the worst security risks. Microsoft immediately attacked the report. Then by an amazing coincidence, an impartial organization releases a report stating that Microsoft's greatest competitor, the free people, are actually the greatest security risk. Somebody refresh my memory -- wasn't it the Aberdeen Group that Larry hired the private eye to get some proof that they were just shills for Microsoft, and the guy was caught dumpster diving? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FYI. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst?mes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R?gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Open Source Security Comes Under Fire
Title: BackupExec & Oracle You've got to love blinkered analyst reports - SQL Server alone has had nearlya dozen critical security issues this year (http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q316333id=Q316333). But I guess that doesn't count :-) Ciao Fuzzy (yes, I'm back - made it to the UK in mostly one piece) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Boivin, Patrice JSent: 27 November 2002 14:24To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: OT: Open Source Security Comes Under Fire FYI. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systmes Technology Services | Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Rgion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Open Source Security Comes Under Fire
Go figure. This was published on a ZiffDavis news site. ZD is either majority or wholly owned by Microsoft. Do you suppose there might be a bit of a slant there? Rodd Holman On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 10:23, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Patrice - Amazing how these things happen. A few weeks ago a report listed Microsoft products as among the worst security risks. Microsoft immediately attacked the report. Then by an amazing coincidence, an impartial organization releases a report stating that Microsoft's greatest competitor, the free people, are actually the greatest security risk. Somebody refresh my memory -- wasn't it the Aberdeen Group that Larry hired the private eye to get some proof that they were just shills for Microsoft, and the guy was caught dumpster diving? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FYI. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst?mes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R?gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Open Source Security Comes Under Fire
Ziff-Davis, did they own PC Magazine? I am still annoyed at their coverage of OS/2... Pat. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 3:27 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Go figure. This was published on a ZiffDavis news site. ZD is either majority or wholly owned by Microsoft. Do you suppose there might be a bit of a slant there? Rodd Holman On Wed, 2002-11-27 at 10:23, DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote: Patrice - Amazing how these things happen. A few weeks ago a report listed Microsoft products as among the worst security risks. Microsoft immediately attacked the report. Then by an amazing coincidence, an impartial organization releases a report stating that Microsoft's greatest competitor, the free people, are actually the greatest security risk. Somebody refresh my memory -- wasn't it the Aberdeen Group that Larry hired the private eye to get some proof that they were just shills for Microsoft, and the guy was caught dumpster diving? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FYI. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst?mes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R?gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rodd Holman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Open Source Security Comes Under Fire
Ah, what do we know... According to Microsoft, we are just glorified Order Clerks... You want users with that database? For another $1.00, I can Supersize that datafile. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 9:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Patrice - Amazing how these things happen. A few weeks ago a report listed Microsoft products as among the worst security risks. Microsoft immediately attacked the report. Then by an amazing coincidence, an impartial organization releases a report stating that Microsoft's greatest competitor, the free people, are actually the greatest security risk. Somebody refresh my memory -- wasn't it the Aberdeen Group that Larry hired the private eye to get some proof that they were just shills for Microsoft, and the guy was caught dumpster diving? Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, November 27, 2002 8:24 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L FYI. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,720533,00.asp Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des syst?mes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | R?gion des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Fink, Dan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
