RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
Many thanks to everyone who responded! Looks like the outcome will be PL/SQL Developer licenses for our developers, while I get to keep my Toad Xpert / DBA module. Thanks again for the useful insights! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England
RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
Paul, I've used PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations to develop PL/SQL procs, packages and it's fine including a well featured de-bugger. I believe that a site licence costs $3,000. As to it being a DBA tool I'd have to say it's not in the same league as TOAD Xpert with DBA module. Chris Dunscombe Accenture Worthing Unit Internal: 71-3558 External: 01903-283558 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: 15 October 2003 16:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been recommended a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!. But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Dunscombe, Chris INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
Hi, I'll second Chris' statement. I found PL/SQL Developer to be a great and inexpensive PL/SQL development tool. Its debugger is especially good. In fact from a development perspective I found it to be far superior to TOAD. Have no idea about support and consideration of user suggestions as I had no issues to report. However as its name suggests it is purely a PL/SQL development tool and not an administration tool, but then I don't think its trying to be the latter. Would recommend you stick with TOAD for administration, I don't know of anything else significantly cheaper out there to replace TOAD and any small licensing savings will be lost to lower productivity during the learning curve anyway. Regards, Mark. From: Dunscombe, Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 07:50:30 +0100 Subject: RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Paul, I've used PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations to develop PL/SQL procs, packages and it's fine including a well featured de-bugger. I believe that a site licence costs $3,000. As to it being a DBA tool I'd have to say it's not in the same league as TOAD Xpert with DBA module. Chris Dunscombe Accenture Worthing Unit Internal: 71-3558 External: 01903-283558 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: 15 October 2003 16:59 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been recommended a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!. But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Patterson, Mark INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
Title: Message We do something similar here. Developers gets Golden (from Benthic). Which has a nice little PL/SQL Editor and SQL spreadsheet. DBAs get TOAD. Babette Turner-Underwood work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 954-3752 (Mon - Fri 7am - 3pm) -Original Message-From: Rich Gesler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2003-10-15 1:24 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement You are correct in that it is very developer centric. As far, as hidden charms...I'd have to say the Reports capabilities. You can easily incorporate your DBA scripts into this little tool. Still not as good as TOAD (or even TORA) for a DBA but a nice, cheap addition to the arsenal. Download it and give it a try, Rich -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul VincentSent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:59 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been "recommended" a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying "fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!". But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England
RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
Title: Message FYI... Golden is a query tool (and a damn good one)... In my opinion, it's what SQL Worksheet should be... Simple to use and fast... The PL/SQL editor from Benthicis separate tool called PLEdit... It's ok but not great... Like Golden it is quick and simple... But, if you are looking for advanced functionality then I would definitely go with another solution... I took a peek at PL/SQL Developer a few months agoand thought it was a nice tool... Especially for the price... That being said, I use PLEdit for my own use...I buy my own tools and don't do enough to justify the cost... Tim -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:29 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement We do something similar here. Developers gets Golden (from Benthic). Which has a nice little PL/SQL Editor and SQL spreadsheet. DBAs get TOAD. Babette Turner-Underwood work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 954-3752 (Mon - Fri 7am - 3pm) -Original Message-From: Rich Gesler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2003-10-15 1:24 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement You are correct in that it is very developer centric. As far, as hidden charms...I'd have to say the Reports capabilities. You can easily incorporate your DBA scripts into this little tool. Still not as good as TOAD (or even TORA) for a DBA but a nice, cheap addition to the arsenal. Download it and give it a try, Rich -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul VincentSent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:59 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been "recommended" a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying "fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!". But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England
RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
TORA, OraC, sqlplus, vi, perl and a linux box to run it on, though the database servers are mostly Win2k. Software $0.00 OS $0.0 HW $12k A procedure return with no errors Priceless g FWIW for a nice sql editor golden is nice. Others on this list sold me on that bob Paul Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/15/2003 08:59 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been recommended a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!. But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England
RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
I forgot to include years of troubleshooting and debugging experience the techniques to go with it. :) Jared Bob Metelsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/16/2003 01:24 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement TORA, OraC, sqlplus, vi, perl and a linux box to run it on, though the database servers are mostly Win2k. Software $0.00 OS $0.0 HW $12k A procedure return with no errors Priceless g FWIW for a nice sql editor golden is nice. Others on this list sold me on that bob Paul Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/15/2003 08:59 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been recommended a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!. But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England
RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
Title: Message Management wants to standardize to a single tool for support and maintenance purposes. At least that's the story here. I have heard good things about PL/SQL Developer. If it's an option, you could checkout TOra (http://www.globecom.se/tora/) which is comparable to TOAD and $100 a license on Windows. This option offers some middle ground anyway. -Original Message-From: Paul Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:59 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been "recommended" a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying "fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!". But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England
RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
You are correct in that it is very developer centric. As far, as hidden charms...I'd have to say the Reports capabilities. You can easily incorporate your DBA scripts into this little tool. Still not as good as TOAD (or even TORA) for a DBA but a nice, cheap addition to the arsenal. Download it and give it a try, Rich -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Paul VincentSent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:59 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been "recommended" a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying "fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!". But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England
RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
You may also want to consider OraEdit Pro by DKG Advanced Solutions Inc. (www.dkgas.com) Shamita Shamita Singh Mohawk College Hamilton, Ontario --- Rich Gesler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are correct in that it is very developer centric. As far, as hidden charms...I'd have to say the Reports capabilities. You can easily incorporate your DBA scripts into this little tool. Still not as good as TOAD (or even TORA) for a DBA but a nice, cheap addition to the arsenal. Download it and give it a try, Rich -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Paul Vincent Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:59 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been recommended a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!. But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England = Shamita __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Shamita Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
Have you looked at Toolkit for Oracle (TOra)? http://sourceforge.net/projects/tora/ I've heard rather good things about it. Matt Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]We have enough youth.How about a fountain of intelligence? -Original Message-From: Paul Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:59 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been "recommended" a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying "fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!". But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England
RE: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
TORA -Original Message-From: Paul Vincent [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 10:59 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been "recommended" a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying "fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!". But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England
Re: Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement
TORA, OraC, sqlplus, vi, perl and a linux box to run it on, though the database servers are mostly Win2k. Software $0.00 OS $0.0 HW $12k Jared Paul Vincent [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/15/2003 08:59 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Opinions sought on possible TOAD replacement Management have been grumbling about the cost of TOAD Professional licenses, and have been recommended a cheaper product called PL/SQL Developer by Allround Automations (available from Inthink Corporation at $150 a pop). Now, I've been to the product website, and read up on all its features, and it basically looks like a nice enough product, but aimed squarely at PL/SQL developers, rather than including all the DBA-oriented goodies we find in TOAD. My first reaction is to respond by saying fine, give it to the developers to replace their copies of TOAD, if they find it adequate for development, but it's not a DBA tool, so I'll keep my TOAD Xpert with DBA module, thanks very much!. But if anyone on the list has tried both products, I'd be interested to know what you think. Is it as usable as TOAD Professional for developers? Does it have hidden charms which would make it a suitable replacement for DBA use? How responsive are the product developers to requests for enhancements? Any input is very welcome! Paul Vincent DBA University of Central England
