RE: Oracle DBA vs. Oracle Apps DBA - Different? and how?
I would like to ask the list any good books available on Apps db installations, Concurrent Managers etc, Suren -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 9:20 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Glenn, Oracle Apps is a very complex animal. It is extremely finicky and hard to administer. A lot of stuff like flexfields are not intuitive at all. I don't blame them for wanting to find at least one very experienced apps DBA to administer their apps. Having said that, if you're interested in working with apps, it might be a good idea to try to get the regular DBA job at the same company. Once you're in and you've proven yourself, over time you could get to the same position as the existing DBA who is learning on the fly. If another application DBA position comes up, you would be in a better position to get the job. Especially if you studied and learned about the application in the interim. Just my two cents as someone who has worked at a place using Oracle Apps but not been an application DBA. Cherie Machler Gelco Information Network Glenn Travis @wcom.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: Oracle DBA vs. Oracle Apps DBA - Different? and how? [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 05/23/01 10:27 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L I would be interested in hearing your opinions on the differences between an Oracle DBA and an Oracle Apps DBA. Are they different? And how? Are they so different that one could not perform the duties of another? Learning curve for each? My interest was sparked when I interviewed with a company that had advertised for a senior Oracle DBA. It become known in the interview that they were moving legacy apps to Oracle Apps (Financial, HR) and were in need of an Apps DBA. I have no experience using these products. But I did tell them I have over 10 years experience as a DBA, using all 4 major DBMS engines on 4 different unix platofrms. Should that be taken into account? I feel I could easily learn Apps DBA duties as I have learned other DBMS's. They still wanted an experienced Apps DBA and said they have a current DBA who is 'learning on the fly'. Caught in a catch-22. Can't get experience with Apps because can't get hired, BUT can't get hired without experience... Opinions? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Glenn Travis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tirumala, Surendra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle DBA vs. Oracle Apps DBA - Different? and how?
Glenn, Oracle Apps is a very complex animal. It is extremely finicky and hard to administer. A lot of stuff like flexfields are not intuitive at all. I don't blame them for wanting to find at least one very experienced apps DBA to administer their apps. Having said that, if you're interested in working with apps, it might be a good idea to try to get the regular DBA job at the same company. Once you're in and you've proven yourself, over time you could get to the same position as the existing DBA who is learning on the fly. If another application DBA position comes up, you would be in a better position to get the job. Especially if you studied and learned about the application in the interim. Just my two cents as someone who has worked at a place using Oracle Apps but not been an application DBA. Cherie Machler Gelco Information Network Glenn Travis @wcom.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: Oracle DBA vs. Oracle Apps DBA - Different? and how? [EMAIL PROTECTED] m 05/23/01 10:27 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L I would be interested in hearing your opinions on the differences between an Oracle DBA and an Oracle Apps DBA. Are they different? And how? Are they so different that one could not perform the duties of another? Learning curve for each? My interest was sparked when I interviewed with a company that had advertised for a senior Oracle DBA. It become known in the interview that they were moving legacy apps to Oracle Apps (Financial, HR) and were in need of an Apps DBA. I have no experience using these products. But I did tell them I have over 10 years experience as a DBA, using all 4 major DBMS engines on 4 different unix platofrms. Should that be taken into account? I feel I could easily learn Apps DBA duties as I have learned other DBMS's. They still wanted an experienced Apps DBA and said they have a current DBA who is 'learning on the fly'. Caught in a catch-22. Can't get experience with Apps because can't get hired, BUT can't get hired without experience... Opinions? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Glenn Travis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle DBA vs. Oracle Apps DBA - Different? and how?
And managing the concurrent managers is an art in itself... Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 "And no amount of training or preparedness can eliminate the almost certainty that in the middle of your Angry Crane stance, as you transition to your Combative Monkey to administer the Coup de Gras via your Ninja Death Touch, you step on a beer bottle and fall backwards into the juke box and get your head stove in by a drunk with a pool cue." --Jay Trigg > -Original Message- > From: Gary Weber [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 5:16 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Oracle DBA vs. Oracle Apps DBA - Different? and how? > > >>Sometimes I think Apps DBA is shorthand for senior developer. > > I'd like to wholeheartedly disagree. Administering Financials fell onto my > lap as "just another Oracle-based product". There is much more to knowing > this package than meets the eye from DBA prospective. The technology stack > alone, with database, forms, web server, code...arr > > In my humble opinion, a good Apps DBA is not only proficient in database > administration, but is also aware of large ERP packages and their > implications. > > Gary > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Oracle DBA vs. Oracle Apps DBA - Different? and how?
I had the opportunity to meet the architect of Quest Software's "Spotlight for Oracle Apps" product in a recent demo. His opinion was that a good Oracle Apps Administrator has a good understanding (and experience) of the business/functional side of the Apps system. That knowledge/experience needs to be combined with experience in pure database administration and operations. The bits in between, forms and webserver etc..., can be picked up along the way where proficiency is proportional to exposure to the product. From my limited experience with Oracle Apps I agreed with him due to some of the differculties I experienced. I was fortunate that I could remove myself from the management of the apps system (which was an auxilliary system to our main product development) and concentrate on our core product which is based on the Oracle Server! I'm lucky I guess!! Glen Gary Weber wrote: >>Sometimes I think Apps DBA is shorthand for senior developer. I'd like to wholeheartedly disagree. Administering Financials fell onto my lap as "just another Oracle-based product". There is much more to knowing this package than meets the eye from DBA prospective. The technology stack alone, with database, forms, web server, code...arr In my humble opinion, a good Apps DBA is not only proficient in database administration, but is also aware of large ERP packages and their implications. Gary -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gary Weber INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Glen Mitchell NZ Phone: +64 9 3730400 Energy Research Lab URL: http://www.peace.com Peace Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Oracle DBA vs. Oracle Apps DBA - Different? and how?
Sometimes I think Apps DBA is shorthand for senior developer. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:28 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I would be interested in hearing your opinions on the differences between an Oracle DBA and an Oracle Apps DBA. Are they different? And how? Are they so different that one could not perform the duties of another? Learning curve for each? My interest was sparked when I interviewed with a company that had advertised for a senior Oracle DBA. It become known in the interview that they were moving legacy apps to Oracle Apps (Financial, HR) and were in need of an Apps DBA. I have no experience using these products. But I did tell them I have over 10 years experience as a DBA, using all 4 major DBMS engines on 4 different unix platofrms. Should that be taken into account? I feel I could easily learn Apps DBA duties as I have learned other DBMS's. They still wanted an experienced Apps DBA and said they have a current DBA who is 'learning on the fly'. Caught in a catch-22. Can't get experience with Apps because can't get hired, BUT can't get hired without experience... Opinions? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Glenn Travis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ This e-mail message has been scanned for the presence of all known computer viruses by the MessageLabs Virus Control Center. However, it is still recommended that you use local virus scanning software to monitor for the presence of viruses. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Dasko, Dan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Oracle DBA vs. Oracle Apps DBA - Different? and how?
>>Sometimes I think Apps DBA is shorthand for senior developer. I'd like to wholeheartedly disagree. Administering Financials fell onto my lap as "just another Oracle-based product". There is much more to knowing this package than meets the eye from DBA prospective. The technology stack alone, with database, forms, web server, code...arr In my humble opinion, a good Apps DBA is not only proficient in database administration, but is also aware of large ERP packages and their implications. Gary -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gary Weber INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
