RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside
Title: Oracle Future??? Actually, It's possible. Maybe not down to 5%, but if y'all don't think that Oracle is ripe for a market defeat, then you need to take a hard look at our industry... Takehere for example. Wehad Oracle here everywhere. We have Oracle programmers, DBA's, etc. Then, we get a new CEO. Fresh out of Harvard (where they obviously know everything), he went to company"A" and they had sqlserver. Whenhe left company"A" and came here,guess what wewere ordered to convert EVERYTHING to. Well, everything except SAP. Oracle will be out of here by 2003. Gone, Bye Bye. C'ya, don't want to be ya. Oracle personnel that don't cross train or haven't shown the ability to cross train are gone too. The only thing we had to say about it was "Luke, I am your father, where are the sqlserver discs?" In one month, 6 years of oracle development was ordered to be out within 2 years. The sad fact is that the Jared Still's and Steve Adam's are notmaking the decisions in enough companies. There are too many managers way up the food chain who have no clue that the marketing hype theyis pure BS. They buy the spin and make the decisions based on that. The fact that sqlserver cannot out perform Oracle is not relevant. The factthat sqlserver can only run on NT/2000/XP is not relevant. It will actually be sold as a positive. "Ya,know, most mcse's are also mcDba's too..."It may not be true, but facts are not where the decision will be made. Marketing hype is. When the "cost savings" is put into the manager's head, the decision will be made. By the time that the facts of the performance and headaches and costs ofconversion are pointed out,people will bury it and forget it existed. "After all, it is just a computer and I am not going to risk myjobarguing over a computer decision.Besides, the IT folks can do anything..." Remember, spending 2 million to convert to something that will save 100K a year thereafter, is a SAVINGS in the eyes of an upper manager. Other companies I have worked for are doing the same thing. Marketing drives the industry now (look at SAP). Toomany idiots. Not enoughvoices of reason. I don't expect Oracle to lose their share to 5%, but if they don't start fighting better, they will have serious competition from sqlserver and other areas. --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denham EvaSent: 08 January 2002 14:25To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Oracle Future??? Hi Folks, Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL. Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. I've added two here... ...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. ...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ... Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat that MSSQL is placing on their market share? No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be beneficial:) Regards Denham This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal - For more information please visit www.marshalsoftware.com
RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside
Title: Oracle Future??? For God's sake sell your stock!! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bowes, ChrisSent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 8:51 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside Actually, It's possible. Maybe not down to 5%, but if y'all don't think that Oracle is ripe for a market defeat, then you need to take a hard look at our industry... Takehere for example. Wehad Oracle here everywhere. We have Oracle programmers, DBA's, etc. Then, we get a new CEO. Fresh out of Harvard (where they obviously know everything), he went to company"A" and they had sqlserver. Whenhe left company"A" and came here,guess what wewere ordered to convert EVERYTHING to. Well, everything except SAP. Oracle will be out of here by 2003. Gone, Bye Bye. C'ya, don't want to be ya. Oracle personnel that don't cross train or haven't shown the ability to cross train are gone too. The only thing we had to say about it was "Luke, I am your father, where are the sqlserver discs?" In one month, 6 years of oracle development was ordered to be out within 2 years. The sad fact is that the Jared Still's and Steve Adam's are notmaking the decisions in enough companies. There are too many managers way up the food chain who have no clue that the marketing hype theyis pure BS. They buy the spin and make the decisions based on that. The fact that sqlserver cannot out perform Oracle is not relevant. The factthat sqlserver can only run on NT/2000/XP is not relevant. It will actually be sold as a positive. "Ya,know, most mcse's are also mcDba's too..."It may not be true, but facts are not where the decision will be made. Marketing hype is. When the "cost savings" is put into the manager's head, the decision will be made. By the time that the facts of the performance and headaches and costs ofconversion are pointed out,people will bury it and forget it existed. "After all, it is just a computer and I am not going to risk myjobarguing over a computer decision.Besides, the IT folks can do anything..." Remember, spending 2 million to convert to something that will save 100K a year thereafter, is a SAVINGS in the eyes of an upper manager. Other companies I have worked for are doing the same thing. Marketing drives the industry now (look at SAP). Toomany idiots. Not enoughvoices of reason. I don't expect Oracle to lose their share to 5%, but if they don't start fighting better, they will have serious competition from sqlserver and other areas. --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denham EvaSent: 08 January 2002 14:25To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Oracle Future??? Hi Folks, Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL. Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. I've added two here... ...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. ...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ... Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat that MSSQL is placing on their market share? No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be beneficial:) Regards Denham This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal - For more information please visit www.marshalsoftware.com
RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside
Title: Oracle Future??? Where I am the management focus (I've got to find a better word) changed so frequently from UNIX to NT to anything but MicroSoft that just the slightest bit of inertia in migrating meant that nothing ever changed. The major effect was seen on new installations/purchases made during the Fad of the Day. Henry -Original Message-From: Bowes, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 11:51 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside Actually, It's possible. Maybe not down to 5%, but if y'all don't think that Oracle is ripe for a market defeat, then you need to take a hard look at our industry... Takehere for example. Wehad Oracle here everywhere. We have Oracle programmers, DBA's, etc. Then, we get a new CEO. Fresh out of Harvard (where they obviously know everything), he went to company"A" and they had sqlserver. Whenhe left company"A" and came here,guess what wewere ordered to convert EVERYTHING to. Well, everything except SAP. Oracle will be out of here by 2003. Gone, Bye Bye. C'ya, don't want to be ya. Oracle personnel that don't cross train or haven't shown the ability to cross train are gone too. The only thing we had to say about it was "Luke, I am your father, where are the sqlserver discs?" In one month, 6 years of oracle development was ordered to be out within 2 years. The sad fact is that the Jared Still's and Steve Adam's are notmaking the decisions in enough companies. There are too many managers way up the food chain who have no clue that the marketing hype theyis pure BS. They buy the spin and make the decisions based on that. The fact that sqlserver cannot out perform Oracle is not relevant. The factthat sqlserver can only run on NT/2000/XP is not relevant. It will actually be sold as a positive. "Ya,know, most mcse's are also mcDba's too..."It may not be true, but facts are not where the decision will be made. Marketing hype is. When the "cost savings" is put into the manager's head, the decision will be made. By the time that the facts of the performance and headaches and costs ofconversion are pointed out,people will bury it and forget it existed. "After all, it is just a computer and I am not going to risk myjobarguing over a computer decision.Besides, the IT folks can do anything..." Remember, spending 2 million to convert to something that will save 100K a year thereafter, is a SAVINGS in the eyes of an upper manager. Other companies I have worked for are doing the same thing. Marketing drives the industry now (look at SAP). Toomany idiots. Not enoughvoices of reason. I don't expect Oracle to lose their share to 5%, but if they don't start fighting better, they will have serious competition from sqlserver and other areas. --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denham EvaSent: 08 January 2002 14:25To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Oracle Future??? Hi Folks, Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL. Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. I've added two here... ...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. ...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ... Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat that MSSQL is placing on their market share? No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be beneficial:) Regards Denham This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal - For more information please visit www.marshalsoftware.com
RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside
I won't comment on what I think about Oracle as a company. However, the fact that Beta was technically superior to VHS and sold at a cheaper price did not save it from a series of bad marketing decisions. Today people don't even remember that VCR's used to come in two separate and incompatible flavors. Bowes, Chris To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Chris.Bowes [EMAIL PROTECTED] @kosa.com cc: Sent by: rootSubject: RE: Oracle Future??? - from the darkside 01/08/2002 11:50 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L Actually, It's possible. Maybe not down to 5%, but if y'all don't think that Oracle is ripe for a market defeat, then you need to take a hard look at our industry... Take here for example. We had Oracle here everywhere. We have Oracle programmers, DBA's, etc. Then, we get a new CEO. Fresh out of Harvard (where they obviously know everything), he went to company A and they had sqlserver. When he left company A and came here, guess what we were ordered to convert EVERYTHING to. Well, everything except SAP. Oracle will be out of here by 2003. Gone, Bye Bye. C'ya, don't want to be ya. Oracle personnel that don't cross train or haven't shown the ability to cross train are gone too. The only thing we had to say about it was Luke, I am your father, where are the sqlserver discs? In one month, 6 years of oracle development was ordered to be out within 2 years. The sad fact is that the Jared Still's and Steve Adam's are not making the decisions in enough companies. There are too many managers way up the food chain who have no clue that the marketing hype they is pure BS. They buy the spin and make the decisions based on that. The fact that sqlserver cannot out perform Oracle is not relevant. The fact that sqlserver can only run on NT/2000/XP is not relevant. It will actually be sold as a positive. Ya, know, most mcse's are also mcDba's too... It may not be true, but facts are not where the decision will be made. Marketing hype is. When the cost savings is put into the manager's head, the decision will be made. By the time that the facts of the performance and headaches and costs of conversion are pointed out, people will bury it and forget it existed. After all, it is just a computer and I am not going to risk my job arguing over a computer decision. Besides, the IT folks can do anything... Remember, spending 2 million to convert to something that will save 100K a year thereafter, is a SAVINGS in the eyes of an upper manager. Other companies I have worked for are doing the same thing. Marketing drives the industry now (look at SAP). Too many idiots. Not enough voices of reason. I don't expect Oracle to lose their share to 5%, but if they don't start fighting better, they will have serious competition from sqlserver and other areas. --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] --Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- a Sent: 08 January 2002 14:25 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Folks, Wonder if anyone would like to comment, my MSSQL DBA sent me a couple of emails from a MSSQL mailing list, they were discussing the future of MSSQL. Some of the comments included comments about our DB - Oracle. I've added two here... ...With Hyperion been seriously challenged and overrun by Analysis Services, oracle will completely die out as they integrate their current offering into Oracle9i. ...Oracle will become another Apple: 5% market share. ... Do you guys agree? Is Oracle doing anything about the very serious threat that MSSQL is placing on their market share? No, plans of changing personally, but wondering if cross education won't be beneficial:) Regards Denham This e-mail message has been scanned for Viruses and Content and cleared by MailMarshal
