RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
I asked one of the SA's here, and he thinks the move to HP might be political on Oracle's part. I don't know how the HP - Compaq merger will go, that adds uncertainty. Esp. since Compaq has traditionally been an Intel supporter and they gobbled up Digital's Alpha technology. Meanwhile Scott McNealy (Sun) was probably looking forward to a Remedy against Microsoft, which might have had an impact on Wintel (the MS - Intel alliance). That fell through when the Republicans were elected. Now Sun is dropping Solaris for Intel. Sun and Veritas were very closely allied, I don't know how Veritas is doing compared to others, e.g. OpenStorage. I don't know where all this is going, but my sense is that there are shifts taking place on the market. Larry must be positioning Oracle to take advantage of whatever player will emerge as the dominant one. Recessions have a way of scrambling everybody's plans. Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) Systems Admin & Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes Technology Services| Services technologiques Informatics Branch | Direction de l'informatique Maritimes Region, DFO | Région des Maritimes, MPO E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
We have all.. HP-UX, Sun, AIX, Irix etc.. No major issues in the past several years. We had EMC go bad a couple of times. But all these servers have never crashed on us all of a sudden (touching wood). A couple of times we did have a couple of HP servers go down, but it was due to our internal problems (you know those - pebkac types) Our flagship application www.superpages.com will soon find a stable home on Sun Servers (from another stable home : SGI Irix), while a couple of other 'Bread & Butter' systems will run on stable AIX and HP-UX. No Linux on the horizon yet!! - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L You will be ok. The only issues I have had are the normal hardware issues (CPU gone bad, etc). One thing that did concern me though is I was able to crash a box due to heave IO to one disk. We never did get around to investigating it any further though before they shut the plant. -Original Message- McClure Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Considering I have a brand spanking new Sun box waiting for me in the Server room, this thread has been less than comforting. Not Stable?!? I am starting to miss my DG boxes already. Steve -Original Message- Smith Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
You will be ok. The only issues I have had are the normal hardware issues (CPU gone bad, etc). One thing that did concern me though is I was able to crash a box due to heave IO to one disk. We never did get around to investigating it any further though before they shut the plant. -Original Message- McClure Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 1:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Considering I have a brand spanking new Sun box waiting for me in the Server room, this thread has been less than comforting. Not Stable?!? I am starting to miss my DG boxes already. Steve -Original Message- Smith Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Considering I have a brand spanking new Sun box waiting for me in the Server room, this thread has been less than comforting. Not Stable?!? I am starting to miss my DG boxes already. Steve -Original Message- Smith Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 7:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
When Oracle said Sun was not stable I do not think they meant that in terms of running. I believe they mean that the libraries and what not change to much. When you are trying to code to a particular OS that can be annoying I guess. However, I am getting this not from Oracle themselves so who really knows if its true or not. -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 8:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L These threads always crack me up. Its like religious wars. We've got both in house. Most of my stuff runs on the SUN boxes, and I have had no problems with the stability. I guess administration of the HPs is easier, but the Sun SAs aren't complaining so its pretty much a non-issue for us. As far as cost, HP wasn't competitive, Sun was much cheaper. Due to the cost difference we probably wouldn't be buying any more HPs, except when a certain product is only certified on HP or when the purchase decision is made by an HP-centric manager. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the na
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
I want to thank everyone for the input. Best regards, Sergey Babich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
These threads always crack me up. Its like religious wars. We've got both in house. Most of my stuff runs on the SUN boxes, and I have had no problems with the stability. I guess administration of the HPs is easier, but the Sun SAs aren't complaining so its pretty much a non-issue for us. As far as cost, HP wasn't competitive, Sun was much cheaper. Due to the cost difference we probably wouldn't be buying any more HPs, except when a certain product is only certified on HP or when the purchase decision is made by an HP-centric manager. Jim -Original Message- Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 10:00 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
I heard that they already did. Something about Sun not being stable. -Original Message- Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 9:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists -
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Thank you so very much. Best regards, Sergey -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 5:16 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:Re:RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containi
RE: RE: HP vs SUN for a UNIX box
Oracle Magazine have alot "Oracle for HP" articles, I think they are switching from Sun to HP -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2002 06:16 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sergey, I asked my SA to add his 2 cents, guess he's not inclined. Anyway, I've been on HP for the last 10 years, coming from VMS, & I love it. VERY stable, easy to use, although I don't do the admin any longer it was easy with SAM even when it was a character based tool. Rman/OmniBack integration is well documented in the OmniBack manuals & works as advertised. HP support is pretty darn good as well, especially in the middle of the night when the system won't boot. I've had HP support tech's remotely logged in to the system helping get it back online. Also if you have a problem that is not in the area of the tech you call they normally conference in the needed assistance. Problems can be resolved as fast as they occur. We also don't use disk arrays from HP, but then HP & EMC really like each other. If you want an inexpensive disk alternative look into NetAppliance. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Reply Separator Author: "Babich ; Sergey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 1/18/2002 1:25 PM Thank you, Paul, I'll forward it to my boss... Anyone else to add to it? Thank you very much, Sergey Babich -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Stay with HP. It's a hell of a lot more reliable, and does not require anywhere near the # of patches, and its patches work far more often that Sun's. I've done 5 years with each, and there's no question that HP is superior. Thank you, Paul Sherman DBA voice - 781-501-4143 (office) fax- 781-278-8341 (office) email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 3:00 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Our shop is switching from HP to Sun. No one can tell me why. There must be a cost savings somewhere. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, dear listers, My boss has decided to switch production to a UNIX box and now he's asking me for a recommendation between HP and SUN. I am a newbee to UNIX (to put it the softest way). I've heard people say HP is better, but need more than that... The DB itself is about 40G on RAID (currently on Windoze 2k). Any advice is greatly appreciated. Regards, Sergey Babich -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Smith, Ron L. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Paul R. INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Babich , Sergey INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing:
