RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
At my university we were "given" Oracle licences .. as well as substantial gifts from Sun (Servers, workstations etc)... that way we finished University with good working knowledge of Solaris and Oracle on Solaris... Which is of course in their best interest... :S -Mensaje original- De: Boivin, Patrice J [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: jueves, 11 de septiembre de 2003 12:54 Para: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Asunto: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door Speaking of non-profit organisations, what is Oracle's policy on that? Do they sell Oracle software to non-profit groups? Probably it's a small market at best, but Personal Oracle might meet their needs. Another group that comes to mind are high schools and colleges, they might want to purchase 1 or 2 licenses for their students to "play with". Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih <16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Goulet, Dick > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market > pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief > here to see this inplace soon, but as always the "DEVIL is in > the details". > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. > They work almost perfectly in almost every state. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > > > > Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > > > > > > > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" > > > > I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? > > > > Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious > > when he wants... > > > > Cheers > > Nuno Souto > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > hosting services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > > information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > contain confidential, proprietary or legally priv
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
There is at least 2 Stephane : Stephane Faroult (Oriole), Stephane Paquette (Standard Life) Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 2:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Standard life? I thought that you work for Oriole corp.? -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Stephane Paquette > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:39 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) > and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us > Christmas card for sure > > Stephane > > -Original Message- > Mladen Gogala > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that > people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for > home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux > box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih > <16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for > around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server > because of the price and development tools availability as > well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know > that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch > or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a > database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep > track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do > need a database. At present, there is a condescending > attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite > company in Redmond, WA. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf > > Of Goulet, Dick > > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > > > I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market > pressure, and > > failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this > > inplace soon, but as always the "DEVIL is in the details". > > > > Dick Goulet > > Senior Oracle DBA > > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. > > They work almost perfectly in almost every state. > > > > -- > > Mladen Gogala > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > > Of Nuno Pinto do Souto > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > > > > > > > Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > > > > > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > > > > > > > > > > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" > > > > > > I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? > > > > > > Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding > Obvious when > > > he wants... > > > > > > Cheers > > > Nuno Souto > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 > http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > > hosting services > > > > > > - > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L (or the > > > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also > > > send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing)
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
At the time, no policy. Yes we were paying for the software. Small market but a lot of visibility : IATA (International Air Transport Association), ICAO (International Civil Aviation Organization) those 2 run Oracle, plus all the UN organizations are non profit organizations. Stephane -Original Message- Boivin, Patrice J Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Speaking of non-profit organisations, what is Oracle's policy on that? Do they sell Oracle software to non-profit groups? Probably it's a small market at best, but Personal Oracle might meet their needs. Another group that comes to mind are high schools and colleges, they might want to purchase 1 or 2 licenses for their students to "play with". Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih <16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Goulet, Dick > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market > pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief > here to see this inplace soon, but as always the "DEVIL is in > the details". > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. > They work almost perfectly in almost every state. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > > > > Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > > > > > > > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" > > > > I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? > > > > Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious > > when he wants... > > > > Cheers > > Nuno Souto > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > hosting services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > > information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Standard life? I thought that you work for Oriole corp.? -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Stephane Paquette > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:39 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) > and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us > Christmas card for sure > > Stephane > > -Original Message- > Mladen Gogala > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that > people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for > home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux > box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih > <16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for > around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server > because of the price and development tools availability as > well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know > that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch > or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a > database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep > track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do > need a database. At present, there is a condescending > attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite > company in Redmond, WA. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf > > Of Goulet, Dick > > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > > > I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market > pressure, and > > failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this > > inplace soon, but as always the "DEVIL is in the details". > > > > Dick Goulet > > Senior Oracle DBA > > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > > > -Original Message- > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > > > > Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. > > They work almost perfectly in almost every state. > > > > -- > > Mladen Gogala > > Oracle DBA > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > > Of Nuno Pinto do Souto > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM > > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > > > > > > > Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > > > > > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > > > > > > > > > > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" > > > > > > I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? > > > > > > Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding > Obvious when > > > he wants... > > > > > > Cheers > > > Nuno Souto > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > > -- > > > Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto > > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 > http://www.fatcity.com > > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > > hosting services > > > > > > - > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') and in > > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L (or the > > > name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also > > > send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Note: > > This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain > > confidential, proprietary or
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Speaking of non-profit organisations, what is Oracle's policy on that? Do they sell Oracle software to non-profit groups? Probably it's a small market at best, but Personal Oracle might meet their needs. Another group that comes to mind are high schools and colleges, they might want to purchase 1 or 2 licenses for their students to "play with". Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 12:39 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih <16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Goulet, Dick > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market > pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief > here to see this inplace soon, but as always the "DEVIL is in > the details". > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. > They work almost perfectly in almost every state. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > > > > Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > > > > > > > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" > > > > I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? > > > > Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious > > when he wants... > > > > Cheers > > Nuno Souto > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > hosting services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > > information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > its subsidiaries each re
Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
That same mentality applies to organizations with 100-200 users! After the latest meeting with the Oracle rep, damagement is seriously considering alternate database systems. Abey. - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:29 AM > There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who > download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was > something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low > price for small companies wih <16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 > users > license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because > of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of > the salesman > that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not > Merryl-Lynch > or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there > buys a mindshare. > Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and > they do need a > database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people > and that > only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Abey Joseph INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I used to work for a large but non profit organisation (.org) and we were using Oracle, the sales rep never send us Christmas card for sure Stephane -Original Message- Mladen Gogala Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 11:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih <16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Goulet, Dick > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market > pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief > here to see this inplace soon, but as always the "DEVIL is in > the details". > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. > They work almost perfectly in almost every state. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > > > > Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > > > > > > > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" > > > > I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? > > > > Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious > > when he wants... > > > > Cheers > > Nuno Souto > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > hosting services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > > information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > communications through its networks. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual sender, except where the message states otherwise > and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of > any such entity. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Mladen Gogala > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.f
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
There should be a low level pricing for home users, so that people who download oracle may use metalink. I would pay for home support if it was something like $150/ year for my Linux box. There should also be a low price for small companies wih <16 users. One should be able to buy a 16 users license for around $2000. I know a caterer that went with SQL Server because of the price and development tools availability as well as the atitude of the salesman that he turned to. I know that a small CT caterer with 9 employees is not Merryl-Lynch or Chase, but it is a business nevertheless and having a database in there buys a mindshare. Caterers have to keep track of the orders, ingredients and schedules and they do need a database. At present, there is a condescending attitude toward those people and that only helps our favorite company in Redmond, WA. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Goulet, Dick > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 10:44 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market > pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief > here to see this inplace soon, but as always the "DEVIL is in > the details". > > Dick Goulet > Senior Oracle DBA > Oracle Certified 8i DBA > > -Original Message- > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > > Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. > They work almost perfectly in almost every state. > > -- > Mladen Gogala > Oracle DBA > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto > > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > > > > Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > > > > > > > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" > > > > I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? > > > > Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious > > when he wants... > > > > Cheers > > Nuno Souto > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > > -- > > Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web > hosting services > > > - > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > > information (like subscribing). > > > > > > > Note: > This message is for the named person's use only. It may > contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged > information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or > lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in > error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from > your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the > sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, > distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you > are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of > its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail > communications through its networks. > Any views expressed in this message are those of the > individual sender, except where the message states otherwise > and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of > any such entity. > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Mladen Gogala > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list,
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I believe Mr. Ellison is responding to a lot of market pressure, and failing DB sales. I know it would be a relief here to see this inplace soon, but as always the "DEVIL is in the details". Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > > > > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" > > I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? > > Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious > when he wants... > > Cheers > Nuno Souto > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > information (like subscribing). > Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Goulet, Dick INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
I hope you were being sarcastic there Mladen... Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 7:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > > > > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" > > I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? > > Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious > when he wants... > > Cheers > Nuno Souto > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > information (like subscribing). > Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
Nope, that's what voting machines are invented for. They work almost perfectly in almost every state. -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Nuno Pinto do Souto > Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 6:45 PM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door > > > > Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > > > > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" > > I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? > > Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious > when he wants... > > Cheers > Nuno Souto > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net > -- > Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com > San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services > - > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') > and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may also send the HELP command for other > information (like subscribing). > Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: RE: RE: DB2 has a foot in the door
> Boivin, Patrice J <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Something like that at the bottom of this article: > > http://www.computerworld.com/news/2003/story/0,11280,84773,00.html > "Counting processors is very hard. It's very hard to count users" I thought that's what count(*) was invented for? Larry can truly be the Prime Minister of the Bleeding Obvious when he wants... Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
