Re: Unix research source ???

2003-02-13 Thread Lyndon Tiu
1) Solaris

http://docs.sun.com

2) Linux

http://www.linux.org/docs/index.html

3) AIX

http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/library/sp_books/index.html

4) Got questions:

try Google at http://www.google.com

5) There's more out there but these sites are a good start.

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Quoting Andrea Oracle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hi all,
> 
> Does Unix has an on-line research source, like
> metalink for Oracle?  Pls send me the links.  Much
> appreciated.
> 
> Also is Linux pretty similar to Unix.  What's the
> major difference?
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> 
> Andrea
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RE: Unix research source ???

2003-02-13 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Andrea
   On the difference between Unix and Linux, here is how I understand it:

All UNIX versions are derived from an AT&T code base (not sure who owns it
now). All Unix vendors must pay a small royalty back to the code owners.
Linux was developed independently by many developers (not just Linus, but he
has been a good publicity focus) as a freeware code base independent of
Unix, but identical to Unix in function. The following link explains it all:

http://ragib.hypermart.net/linux/

Dennis Williams
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Hi all,

Does Unix has an on-line research source, like
metalink for Oracle?  Pls send me the links.  Much
appreciated.

Also is Linux pretty similar to Unix.  What's the
major difference?

Thank you in advance!

Andrea

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RE: Unix research source ???

2003-02-13 Thread Stephen Lee

The word "Unix" is a trademark, but it gets used in a generic manner much
like the word "Band-Aid" is used to refer to any kind of plastic bandage, or
the way "Jell-O" gets used to refer to any kind of flavored gelatin.  It was
originally owned by Bell Labs.  It has bounced around a little bit -- Novell
owned it for a while.

So you see IBM's OS called AIX, not Unix.  And you see Sun's OS called
Solaris, not Unix.  And you see HP's OS called HPUX, not Unix ... except now
HP also has Tru64 ->UNIX<- (OY!).  So, I guess we all know who eventually
ended up owning the Unix trademark (as far as I know).

Any OS that comes with the same set of utilities and, on the surface, looks
like Unix, gets called Unix by non-sys admin users, even though there is
only one vendor that can legally call its OS Unix.  AIX, Solaris, HPUX, and
Linux are NOT Unix; and you're not likely to see an experienced sys admin
call them Unix.  These other OS's have their own source code for their
kernels.  They come with, more or less, the same set of utilities, and the
non-sys admin users interact with them in a similar manner but, under the
covers, they are not the same, and they are not Unix.

You might see some references to System V (Roman number 5) versus BSD
(Berkeley).  As a user, the only real affect this has is in which bundled
utilities you get, in which directory they are located, and the differences
in how the utilities work.  For example on a pure BSD system you show the
processes on a box with "ps aux"; on pure System V (you usually see it as
SVr4) you run "ps -ef"; and you get different output.  Some OS's will have a
ps command that supports either syntax.  And some OS's will have a Sys V
version of the command in one directory and a BSD version of the command in
another directory.  What you, the user, are seeing and interacting with is
not the OS, but the shell and the bundled utilities.  When you are among
snotty techno-geeks, keep that distinction clear and save yourself from some
ridicule.

For a metalink-like site: Sun has its SunSolve site
(http://sunsolve.sun.com).  Sun used to (and I would guess still does)
periodically send out a CD to customers who contracted for support with much
of the SunSolve stuff on it.  Remember that the OS is distinct from all the
utilities that get bundled with the OS, and these sites are there primarily
to deal with the OS, not the bundled utilities.

> -Original Message-
> 
> Does Unix has an on-line research source, like
> metalink for Oracle?  Pls send me the links.  Much
> appreciated.
> 
> Also is Linux pretty similar to Unix.  What's the
> major difference?
> 
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RE: Unix research source ???

2003-02-13 Thread Richard Ji
Very detailed explaination.  Actually Sun's OS is SunOS,
Solaris is an environment that's consist of SunOS + Openwin.

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The word "Unix" is a trademark, but it gets used in a generic manner much
like the word "Band-Aid" is used to refer to any kind of plastic bandage, or
the way "Jell-O" gets used to refer to any kind of flavored gelatin.  It was
originally owned by Bell Labs.  It has bounced around a little bit -- Novell
owned it for a while.

So you see IBM's OS called AIX, not Unix.  And you see Sun's OS called
Solaris, not Unix.  And you see HP's OS called HPUX, not Unix ... except now
HP also has Tru64 ->UNIX<- (OY!).  So, I guess we all know who eventually
ended up owning the Unix trademark (as far as I know).

Any OS that comes with the same set of utilities and, on the surface, looks
like Unix, gets called Unix by non-sys admin users, even though there is
only one vendor that can legally call its OS Unix.  AIX, Solaris, HPUX, and
Linux are NOT Unix; and you're not likely to see an experienced sys admin
call them Unix.  These other OS's have their own source code for their
kernels.  They come with, more or less, the same set of utilities, and the
non-sys admin users interact with them in a similar manner but, under the
covers, they are not the same, and they are not Unix.

You might see some references to System V (Roman number 5) versus BSD
(Berkeley).  As a user, the only real affect this has is in which bundled
utilities you get, in which directory they are located, and the differences
in how the utilities work.  For example on a pure BSD system you show the
processes on a box with "ps aux"; on pure System V (you usually see it as
SVr4) you run "ps -ef"; and you get different output.  Some OS's will have a
ps command that supports either syntax.  And some OS's will have a Sys V
version of the command in one directory and a BSD version of the command in
another directory.  What you, the user, are seeing and interacting with is
not the OS, but the shell and the bundled utilities.  When you are among
snotty techno-geeks, keep that distinction clear and save yourself from some
ridicule.

For a metalink-like site: Sun has its SunSolve site
(http://sunsolve.sun.com).  Sun used to (and I would guess still does)
periodically send out a CD to customers who contracted for support with much
of the SunSolve stuff on it.  Remember that the OS is distinct from all the
utilities that get bundled with the OS, and these sites are there primarily
to deal with the OS, not the bundled utilities.

> -Original Message-
> 
> Does Unix has an on-line research source, like
> metalink for Oracle?  Pls send me the links.  Much
> appreciated.
> 
> Also is Linux pretty similar to Unix.  What's the
> major difference?
> 
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RE: Unix research source ???

2003-02-13 Thread Lyndon Tiu
Difference between Unix and Linux is $$$.

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RE: Unix research source ???

2003-02-13 Thread Lyndon Tiu

Quoting Richard Ji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Very detailed explaination.  Actually Sun's OS is SunOS,
> Solaris is an environment that's consist of SunOS + Openwin.
> 

Update: Solaris = SunOS + GNOME. OpenWin is gone. CDE is just there for backup
but GNOME is the official desktop now.

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RE: Unix research source ???

2003-02-13 Thread Alex
No. They are both free. BSD is basically pure ATT unix; Linux is a kernel
with GNU's tools thrown on.

On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Lyndon Tiu wrote:

> Difference between Unix and Linux is $$$.
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RE: Unix research source ???

2003-02-13 Thread Brian Dunbar

>Any OS that comes with the same set of utilities and, on the surface,
>looks like Unix, gets called Unix by non-sys admin users, even though 
>there is only one vendor that can legally call its OS Unix.  AIX, 
>Solaris, HPUX, and Linux are NOT Unix; and you're not likely to see an 
>experienced sys admin call them Unix.

Unless we're talking to the 99% of humanity who give us funny looks for
being pedantic about the 'unix-like' OS we happen to be supporting this
month.  Or we're sending our out our "HR resume" (as opposed to our
"Technical Manager" resume).

It's damned annoying to have an HR drone assume you can't do the job because
they are filling for "Solaris 8" and you've got on your reusme "SunOS 2.8,
Linux, AIX, BSD etc."  
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RE: Unix research source ???

2003-02-14 Thread Richard Ji
OH yea, thanks for point that out.  Forgot aobut the GNOME stuff.
Guess which one I like between GNOME and KDE? (hint, hint). :)

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Quoting Richard Ji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Very detailed explaination.  Actually Sun's OS is SunOS,
> Solaris is an environment that's consist of SunOS + Openwin.
> 

Update: Solaris = SunOS + GNOME. OpenWin is gone. CDE is just there for
backup
but GNOME is the official desktop now.

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RE: Unix research source ???

2003-02-14 Thread Stephen Lee

I thought a little about my response and it occurred to me that my point
might have gotten lost in the details.  The point was that the asker of the
question might want to refine the question.  That is, was the intent to ask
about a particular OS; or was the intent to ask about a particular utility;
or was the asker just wanting to get a general overview of how a user works
with a unix-like OS?  If the question is about a particular utility and how
that utility might be used in working with Oracle, there is quite a bit of
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RE: Unix research source ???

2003-02-14 Thread Gogala, Mladen
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> 
> OH yea, thanks for point that out.  Forgot aobut the GNOME stuff.
> Guess which one I like between GNOME and KDE? (hint, hint). :)
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
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> 
> Quoting Richard Ji <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
> > Very detailed explaination.  Actually Sun's OS is SunOS,
> > Solaris is an environment that's consist of SunOS + Openwin.
> > 
> 
> Update: Solaris = SunOS + GNOME. OpenWin is gone. CDE is just 
> there for
> backup
> but GNOME is the official desktop now.
> 
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