Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
This is great information Raj. I've run a test that is completely consistent with this. For instance: Go to Metalink and click the Patches item in the left menu. Then choose product family Oracle Server and product RDBMS Server, release 9.0.1.3. Select the HP9000 Series HP/UX 64-bit platform and choose All Product Patches. Repeat for Sun Sparc Solaris. Although the Sun list is quite lengthy compared to most other platforms (7 entries), the HP list has significantly more patches (15 entries). For me, this is a significant decision influencer when choosing a platform for Oracle. However, HP is definitely losing the performance race... :-) Tough one. Thanks again, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:32 PM Paul , ORACLE switched from solaris to HP-UX somewhere in mid 2000 for their tier I platform. ALso I think at this time compaq and HP are the only true 64 bit architectures available. That of course swings the scale in HPs favour...:) Cheers, RS --- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Yes, let's not miss an opportunity to remind Evil Bill of his contribution to the wonderful world of UNIX. Xenix/286... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Boivin, Patrice J Sent: 04 April 2002 21:09 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? How about XENIX? : ) Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James Morle INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Paul, I am glad you are on your way to 'controlled molecular restructuring and HP-iozation' (??!) ..;) Mind telling me What made you say HP's is losing performance race..? I am on HP mid level (N class) 4 way server 64 bit and our Database is 210 Gigs High end OLTP database with 12 TPS and severe response time restrictions(1 sec or less.) I am beating the response time by several milliseconds and I haven't even maxed out the processors yet...!! HTH Cheers, RS --- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is great information Raj. I've run a test that is completely consistent with this. For instance: Go to Metalink and click the Patches item in the left menu. Then choose product family Oracle Server and product RDBMS Server, release 9.0.1.3. Select the HP9000 Series HP/UX 64-bit platform and choose All Product Patches. Repeat for Sun Sparc Solaris. Although the Sun list is quite lengthy compared to most other platforms (7 entries), the HP list has significantly more patches (15 entries). For me, this is a significant decision influencer when choosing a platform for Oracle. However, HP is definitely losing the performance race... :-) Tough one. Thanks again, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:32 PM Paul , ORACLE switched from solaris to HP-UX somewhere in mid 2000 for their tier I platform. ALso I think at this time compaq and HP are the only true 64 bit architectures available. That of course swings the scale in HPs favour...:) Cheers, RS --- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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As Steve's bunkermate I'll second the Linux thing. We're having good luck with Linux here. I've done AIX and Solaris, and Linux is up there with'em. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Hi Raj, list Few systems running Oracle require market-leading performance to function well. (There are some, don't get me wrong.) So I believe that even if an architecture is slower it can be more appropriate if it's priced right and has other important characteristics. Also, the highest-end machines of the slowest architecture can easily stomp on the mid-range machines of the other architectures. We all agree on that. However, it's my understanding (eager to learn!) that HP is still losing in overall CPU performance to IBM, Sun and Digital/Compaq as a result of the neglect the PA-RISC architecture suffered at the hands of Rick Belluzo. I know that HP has reinvested vast sums of money into it because of the IA-64 delays, but last I heard it had improved things dramatically but not yet enough. Here are some references. Again, I'm very interested in this subject as I'm often called upon to recommend hardware purchases and platform selections. :-) From http://www.itworld.com/Comp/2149/swol-0119-flavors/ (where the other suspects are also reviewed) Hewlett-Packard HP-UX Current release: HP-UX 11i Platform: HP 9000 servers Standard: Unix 95 Application score: 9 out of 10 Advantages: HP has a solid reputation for reliability and service; HP-UX comes with a substantial OS bundle including a Web server, C/C++, Windows networking, WAP (Wireless Application Protocol) services, Linux APIs, iPlanet directory server, and Veritas file system. Disadvantages: HP PA-RISC architecture is falling behind in performance relative to the competition. Prognosis: Hewlett-Packard is the Volvo of IT: It quietly churns out ugly, bulletproof boxes that virtually care for themselves. HP is rarely first or fastest, but it packs enormous value into its Unix products. Not surprisingly, HP-UX is almost Linux-like in its completeness, with time-proven enterprise tools and services included in the bundle. HP's inclusion of the Veritas journaling file system moves HP-UX 11i to the front of the pack. Once HP catches up to rivals' performance and certifies HP-UX as Unix 98-compliant, it could move ahead of Sun and IBM. from... http://www.chipcenter.com/eexpert/dgilbert/dgilbert050.html Hewlett Packard was the first manufacturer to pursue the advantages of using Intel chips in both 32-bit and 64-bit system architectures, and they played a vital role in the development of the new Itanium architecture. This path was taken to get away from pouring more money into their PA-RISC chips, among other reasons. Now the only two players left in the 64-bit RISC game are IBM and Sun Microsystems. IBM has effectively unlimited staying power since they can perform all levels of chip design and production in-house. Sun Microsystems does not enjoy this autonomy since they outsource their manufacturing to Texas Instruments, and it is likely that this factor may ultimately hinder their ability to continue providing their own architecture of RISC processor for the server and workstation market. Is it just a matter of time before we are left with Intel and IBM? Will the RISC architecture be able to carry forward in the server and workstation market? And although this following article has a IBM bias (because of the association with Apple Computer), it's an interesting read that covers the history of the PA/IA-64 fiasco well: http://www.macedition.net/soup/soup_20020318.php Cheers, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 10:48 AM Paul, I am glad you are on your way to 'controlled molecular restructuring and HP-iozation' (??!) ..;) Mind telling me What made you say HP's is losing performance race..? I am on HP mid level (N class) 4 way server 64 bit and our Database is 210 Gigs High end OLTP database with 12 TPS and severe response time restrictions(1 sec or less.) I am beating the response time by several milliseconds and I haven't even maxed out the processors yet...!! HTH Cheers, RS --- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is great information Raj. I've run a test that is completely consistent with this. For instance: Go to Metalink and click the Patches item in the left menu. Then choose product family Oracle Server and product RDBMS Server, release 9.0.1.3. Select the HP9000 Series HP/UX 64-bit platform and choose All Product Patches. Repeat for Sun Sparc Solaris. Although the Sun list is quite lengthy compared to most other platforms (7 entries), the HP list has significantly more patches (15 entries). For me, this is a significant decision influencer when choosing a platform for Oracle. However, HP is definitely losing the performance race... :-) Tough one. Thanks again, Paul ---
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Oh, you miss installing an OS from 96 floppy disks? There's usually a bad disk once you pass #90. Jared On Friday 05 April 2002 06:53, James Morle wrote: Yes, let's not miss an opportunity to remind Evil Bill of his contribution to the wonderful world of UNIX. Xenix/286... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Boivin, Patrice J Sent: 04 April 2002 21:09 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? How about XENIX? : ) Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Nice to hear from you Walt. I'd begun to think you'd crashed your sailplane into the side of a mountain or something. :) Jared On Friday 05 April 2002 09:08, Weaver, Walt wrote: As Steve's bunkermate I'll second the Linux thing. We're having good luck with Linux here. I've done AIX and Solaris, and Linux is up there with'em. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Nope, just been in major lurk mode for the past few months. :) --Walt -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 11:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Weaver, Walt Nice to hear from you Walt. I'd begun to think you'd crashed your sailplane into the side of a mountain or something. :) Jared On Friday 05 April 2002 09:08, Weaver, Walt wrote: As Steve's bunkermate I'll second the Linux thing. We're having good luck with Linux here. I've done AIX and Solaris, and Linux is up there with'em. --Walt Weaver Bozeman, Montana -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 9:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Linux is nice but there are some sites that would not pass. I do not think I would ever use Linux on a site that needs 99.999% uptime. However, that is mostly a need for unbelievable hardware and automated fail over capabilities. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I would like to bring another angle to this debate. I have used Oracle on Solaris since 1992 without a hitch. I have used Oracle on Sparc 1 to ultra sparc 4400 with 12 processors. Never had much problems. Before that I have run it on ATT UNIX large scale servers without any difficulties. I have also worked in shops where the clients had AIX and VMS running Oracle and I did not hear much problems there either. I had a person working for me who used to support Oracle on a HP and constantly had problems with one thing or the other. Sometime it was hardware and sometime it was software. I am sure HP may have some problems but they can not be so bad, otherwise they would be out of business. So my point is, it all depends on who is doing the job. If you know what you are doing and do the job right, even if there are some problems, you can make the system run fairly trouble free. Shakir --- Kimberly Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Linux is nice but there are some sites that would not pass. I do not think I would ever use Linux on a site that needs 99.999% uptime. However, that is mostly a need for unbelievable hardware and automated fail over capabilities. -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:31 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Lot's of listers have presented nice lists but if you don't have Linux on your list then your experience is woefully incomplete. Long live Linux! The war is on and those who don't join this camp soon will find themselves on the losing side! :-) I did HPUX. I did Solaris. Now I'm doing Linux and life is wonderful. Unopinionatedly yours, Archie Bunker Steve Orr -Original Message- Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 8:34 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L My experiance is just the opposite : 1. Solaris 2. Solaris 3. Solaris 4. HP-UX 5. AIX 6. Digital Unix 7. SCO Unix Solaris has much better features and is more reliable as per my experience. For eg. only Solaris provides the option to use Asynchronous I/O for file systems as well as raw devices. Asynchronous I/O on HP will b used only while accessing raw devices. I think that the Oracle software is primarily written on Solaris these days. Samir Samir Sarkar Oracle DBA SchlumbergerSema Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6028 EPABX : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6418 Ext. 76028 Fax : +44 (0) 115 - 957 6018 -Original Message- Sent: 05 April 2002 15:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well, I will put in my two cents since everyone else is. 1.HP-UX 2.HP-UX 3.HP-UX 4.Solaris Oracle works equally well on both of them (IMO) but HP provides you with better support, better hardware, better reliability, etc. Course, none of that is free. All in all I have not been disappointed per say with Solaris (which is a good thing cause I will be working with it ALOT from here on it) but I have had far less issues with HP. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Another shot across the bow: Hp-UX if you like to sleep at night Solaris if you want speed and sleepless nights Aix if neither of the above is of any value in your life Linux if both are valuable $$$ are a consideration Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 4/4/2002 9:24 AM here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
here go the wars :) 1. Solaris 2. HP UX 3. IBM AIX imho, in order. this is definitely in the archives. gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 11:36AM We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Vallee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Anyone use Linux for Sparc with an Oracle db on top? -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:10 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Importance: High Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Orr, Steve INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -Original Message- From: Paul Vallee [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Vallee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command
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HP-UX Stable, Do you like patches? SolarisPopular, Good for the resume. AIXNo experience with this, Is that really UNIX? Linux Free + You get coolness points. IMHO... of course! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Vallee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). * * * * * Freedom of Information Act Notice * * * * * The information in this email is subject to the record protection mandated by 5 United States Code 552 (b) (4) and relevant judicial opinions. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sherman, Edward INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
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Bunyamin, Here we go again! (Raj - this _is_ a war!!) My preference is: 1. AIX 2. HP-UX 3. Solaris Ultimately, it is a question of how much $$$ - now (purchase), later (maintenance costs), and how much when it goes down. I have managed about 150 AIX boxes at one time, and have not had H/w based difficulties running them. And still managed 6 Solaris boxes at the same time and had major headaches with the H/W... YMMV! -Original Message- From: Sakthi , Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Raj, I have to agree with your order here. I've seen horrendous problems with Sun OS upgrades and Sun hardware. HP has been rock-solid. AIX is well, AIX - 'nuff said. Scott Shafer San Antonio, TX 210-581-6217 -Original Message- From: Sakthi , Raj [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Considering there's no binaries for it, I'd say you'd be hard-pressed to find one! :) I'm just happy I got a thin client running on my Alpha/Linux box at home. :D Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Orr, Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:25 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? Anyone use Linux for Sparc with an Oracle db on top? -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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True... but we had no one here to support it... granted I would love to learn how but I was slated to be the dba and developer on the project, I couldn't take on a third role too (that is completely new to me) Besides anything non-Windows would be out of my hands in production. Which IRKS THE CRAP out of me. Welcome to my (frustrating) job -Original Message- From: Jesse, Rich [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:59 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? Cheap? LINUX, LINUX, LINUX! Even if you have a RedHat (or whoever) support contract to offset an M$ one, there are *NO* %@$^%#@#$% licensing fees! You'll SAVE money! :) Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Koivu, Lisa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
How about XENIX? : ) Regards, Patrice Boivin Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA) -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 2:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject:RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
A search of google didn't yield much to your need. My personal preference for the Unix's is Sun, then AIX, And in the list of ones that I will never work on again if I can help it is HP and Dynix-PTX (no flames please). My preference has nothing to do with performance or cost. It have more to do with the little things like dtksh, truss and the /proc related commands like ptree, etc., etc. See also - http://dhbrown.com/dhbrown/aboutDHBA.cfm Brian P. MacLean Oracle DBA, OCP8i Bunyamin K. Karadeniz To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] bunyamink@havels cc: an.com.tr Subject: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/04/02 09:36 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Hi List, Glad this is turning out into a full scale war :) One thing that we need to remember is that this is Global list. So if Sun is strong in Singapore, HP is stronger in Australia - it all depends on who is supported from where and what is the level of training/skill of the engineers themselves regionally... So perceptions change! My experience with AIX was in a remote corner of the world (Can someone spot a 100 mile x 5 mile deep coastal country called Brunei? Hint - you can find it is part of a larger Asian Island). IBM S'pore had a local man with local on-site spares and although he was on call literally all the time, he did have his feet up in the air on a desk since the machines broke down _rarely_. Sun and HP hardware, patches and spare parts had to on the other hand arrive from S'pore and that took a while. As well, the local engineers were from a Sales agency rather than from the vendor, and had to drive about 100 miles to get there, maybe adding to my perception. Again. my perception of AIX in the US is that it does not have too much penetration, and thus that much less exposure as compared to HP and Sun. John Kanagaraj Oracle Applications DBA DBSoft Inc (W): 408-970-7002 Grace - Getting something we don't deserve Mercy - NOT getting something we deserve Click on 'http://www.needhim.org' for Grace and Mercy that is freely available! ** The opinions and statements above are entirely my own and not those of my employer or clients ** -Original Message- From: Sakthi , Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? John, I knew this...but again what else does anyone expect from a bunch of Hard core DBAs..:) (Damn this feels good..;) so it can't be bad to wage this kinda war...what do you think..?) Cheers, RS --- John Kanagaraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bunyamin, Here we go again! (Raj - this _is_ a war!!) My preference is: 1. AIX 2. HP-UX 3. Solaris Ultimately, it is a question of how much $$$ - now (purchase), later (maintenance costs), and how much when it goes down. I have managed about 150 AIX boxes at one time, and have not had H/w based difficulties running them. And still managed 6 Solaris boxes at the same time and had major headaches with the H/W... YMMV! -Original Message- From: Sakthi , Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE?
Cheap? LINUX, LINUX, LINUX! Even if you have a RedHat (or whoever) support contract to offset an M$ one, there are *NO* %@$^%#@#$% licensing fees! You'll SAVE money! :) Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- From: Koivu, Lisa [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:29 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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John, I knew this...but again what else does anyone expect from a bunch of Hard core DBAs..:) (Damn this feels good..;) so it can't be bad to wage this kinda war...what do you think..?) Cheers, RS --- John Kanagaraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bunyamin, Here we go again! (Raj - this _is_ a war!!) My preference is: 1. AIX 2. HP-UX 3. Solaris Ultimately, it is a question of how much $$$ - now (purchase), later (maintenance costs), and how much when it goes down. I have managed about 150 AIX boxes at one time, and have not had H/w based difficulties running them. And still managed 6 Solaris boxes at the same time and had major headaches with the H/W... YMMV! -Original Message- From: Sakthi , Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: John Kanagaraj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Paul , ORACLE switched from solaris to HP-UX somewhere in mid 2000 for their tier I platform. ALso I think at this time compaq and HP are the only true 64 bit architectures available. That of course swings the scale in HPs favour...:) Cheers, RS --- Paul Vallee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database is inversely proportional to that of its DBA. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Paul Vallee INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sakthi , Raj INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access /
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I'm not sure which is best but here are my observations; Solaris - kernel patches take effect without a re-boot. This is Oracle's development environment (It'd be a hoot if Oracle developed their software in a Win95 environment!!). HP-UX - This used to be the Oracle Corp's production environment. If they liked it that much, why shouldn't we? AIX - In my experience AIX SAs are least experienced. I'm not sure why this is and it may just be a fluke. LINUX - Lots of geek points. You'll get to be your own support staff. Having worked with the first three I'd say that that's my order of goodness. Sherman, Edward To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L shermanej [EMAIL PROTECTED] @eccic.com cc: Sent by: rootSubject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? 04/04/2002 01:28 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L HP-UX Stable, Do you like patches? SolarisPopular, Good for the resume. AIXNo experience with this, Is that really UNIX? Linux Free + You get coolness points. IMHO... of course! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct me to a link for comparison about SOLARIS , AIX , HP-UX for performance and other options .. Thank you ... Bunyamin K. Karadeniz Oracle DBA / Developer Civilian IT Department Havelsan A.S. Eskisehir yolu 7.km Ankara Turkey Phone: +90 312 2873565 / 1217 Mobile : +90 535 3357729 The degree of normality in a database
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Lisa, you're right of course. I should have said: 1. Sun Solaris 32-bit 2. (Tie) HP/UX, AIX, Tru64, Sun Solaris 64-bit 3. Linux (comparable to above except lack of dependable commercial support can make it scarier. Has anyone purchased commercial support for any Linux and can they please compare it to commercial support from the other UNIX vendors for me?) 4. Windows NT. I am not against Oracle on Windows on principle or anything, but my experience is that managing Oracle on Windows is more annoying and frustrating than on any UNIX. 5. IRIX, DYNIX/ptx. Fears that these platforms are dying fast push them to the bottom of the list, even though in the past I had high hopes for them. IRIX's XFS filesystem and NUMA support promised an excellent Oracle platform, but without the sales I think it's rough. DYNIX of course is Sequent's NUMA platform, and again this had greatness potential. Oh well. :-) I should also echo another poster that in my experience the most stable hardware for the dollar is from HP. However, HP made a serious blunder by ignoring their PA-RISC chipset in favour of IA-64 that is yet to come... buying an HP server today means buying a SLOW server. I believe the same will happen to Alpha, although as of now I still think there are excellent buys there. Again, more stable hardware then Sun unless you're using DECSafe, which really should be renamed 'cause it causes many more stability problems than it fixes. ADVFS is a big bonus for Tru64 as well, with the other platforms you need to license Veritas to get a filesystem anywhere near as nice. Sun's major advantage is that it's got fast hardware and very mainstream operating system software, plust the advantages I mention in my other post. Crappy bundled filesystem means you have to give some money to Veritas though. IBM's AIX platforms are very stable, and my favourite thing about them is just how tested and trustable their OS patches are. They are easy to apply and I've never had nor heard of any ever needing to be backed out because of failure. This is not the case for any of the other OS platforms... :-) Filesystem-wise, JFS is OK. Cheers, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:28 PM I'm very suprised no one has said Linux. ?? It is one of the first tier platforms for Oracle now, isn't it? I also thought I read on this list a while back that Solaris was no longer the dev platform? Guess it all depends on what strengths you are looking for. For my employer, who is CHEAP, it was Windows. Who cares that it's not as stable as I would like. You should have seen the VP grin at me with this patronizing smile when he said, I'll approve $35,000 for this project!, like he had done me a huge favor. I wanted to growl. -Original Message- From: Paul Vallee [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 1:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? Might as well get my two cents in... :-) 1. Solaris Tied for 2... AIX, Tru64, HP/UX (leaving NUMA out of the equation for now. If you like NUMA, then look into the status of IBM's acquisition of Sequent, I'm out of touch with that right now.) Different hardware solutions from different vendors have different performance, stability and cost characteristics, and so I'll assume that all vendors have an appropriate solution on these factors, this may not be the case. With these assumptions, the primary factor for me is the timeliness of the availability of releases, patches and patchsets. Sun Solaris 32-bit is the winner on this factor on the grounds that it is Oracle's internal development platform. All other platforms are ported from Sun Solaris 32-bit. When that changes, my recommendation would of course also change, as it did when Oracle moved away from Digital/VMS. Anyone who has been in a situation where a bug was causing service failure and who heard that a patch was available for Solaris but not your platform knows where I'm coming from on this one. Note: for the exact same reason, never use 64-bit Oracle on Solaris unless you absolutely need the very-large-sga support. 64-bit Oracle on Solaris is slow to get patches and releases. Best, Paul --- www.pythian.com -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 877-PYTHIAN Smarter than adding another team member, Pythian has new services for supplementing DBAs: get our help with monitoring, 24x7 on-call, daily verifications, storage management, performance and more. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 12:48 PM What are you planning
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Yes It is so true I think the best option with what is best is probable get along to you local Oracle or whatever usergroup meetings and find out the war stories from those that are there. You might find that over time you see more of your IBM rep or Sun rep at those meetings, also a sign of the type of support you might get. I was supporting a product MFG/PRO on Progress in a couple of previous jobs and it was a fairly regular occurence to see a HP rep at teh user group meetings, they also seemed to have the lions share of sites for that product. Oh and HP's support isn't too bad here at present. but I also havent had a problem with Sun or IBM, Just lucky, maybe Cheers -- = Peter McLarty E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Technical ConsultantWWW: http://www.mincom.com APAC Technical Services Phone: +61 (0)7 3303 3461 Brisbane, AustraliaMobile: +61 (0)402 094 238 Facsimile: +61 (0)7 3303 3048 = A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. - Walter Bagehot (1826-1877 British Economist) = Mincom The People, The Experience, The Vision = John Kanagaraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/04/2002 09:48 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Fax to: Subject:RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? Hi List, Glad this is turning out into a full scale war :) One thing that we need to remember is that this is Global list. So if Sun is strong in Singapore, HP is stronger in Australia - it all depends on who is supported from where and what is the level of training/skill of the engineers themselves regionally... So perceptions change! My experience with AIX was in a remote corner of the world (Can someone spot a 100 mile x 5 mile deep coastal country called Brunei? Hint - you can find it is part of a larger Asian Island). IBM S'pore had a local man with local on-site spares and although he was on call literally all the time, he did have his feet up in the air on a desk since the machines broke down _rarely_. Sun and HP hardware, patches and spare parts had to on the other hand arrive from S'pore and that took a while. As well, the local engineers were from a Sales agency rather than from the vendor, and had to drive about 100 miles to get there, maybe adding to my perception. Again. my perception of AIX in the US is that it does not have too much penetration, and thus that much less exposure as compared to HP and Sun. John Kanagaraj Oracle Applications DBA DBSoft Inc (W): 408-970-7002 Grace - Getting something we don't deserve Mercy - NOT getting something we deserve Click on 'http://www.needhim.org' for Grace and Mercy that is freely available! ** The opinions and statements above are entirely my own and not those of my employer or clients ** -Original Message- From: Sakthi , Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 11:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? John, I knew this...but again what else does anyone expect from a bunch of Hard core DBAs..:) (Damn this feels good..;) so it can't be bad to wage this kinda war...what do you think..?) Cheers, RS --- John Kanagaraj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bunyamin, Here we go again! (Raj - this _is_ a war!!) My preference is: 1. AIX 2. HP-UX 3. Solaris Ultimately, it is a question of how much $$$ - now (purchase), later (maintenance costs), and how much when it goes down. I have managed about 150 AIX boxes at one time, and have not had H/w based difficulties running them. And still managed 6 Solaris boxes at the same time and had major headaches with the H/W... YMMV! -Original Message- From: Sakthi , Raj [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, April 04, 2002 9:48 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: WHICH UNIX FOR ORACLE? What are you planning..? A religious war..:) well..here is my 2 cents,IMHO 1. HP-UX 2. SOlaris 3. AIX in the order of preference. I have worked with all three and I found HP machines to be reliable and HP-UX easy to work with. This is not to say solaris is not but I had some nightmare stroies to tell about the bugs and quality of support from SUN. Again this is only my opinion and as everybody knows OS is ,to some extent ,a matter of personal choice also. ( Running to put on flame proof suit..:) ) Cheers, RS --- Bunyamin K. Karadeniz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are searching about which unix is best ? We will apply 9ias and 8.1.7 DB . plus Oracle Portal. Can you direct
