Re: Where does a DBA go from here?
Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the 200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we? Mogens Suhen Pather wrote: Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS , Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message- From: Mogens Nrgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network ( www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on. EoM (End of Marketing). PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...? Mogens Greg Moore wrote: Now wheredo I go for more Oracle training? Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on thelatest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. CraigShallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may giveadvanced classes.The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freelyavailable, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA'soffer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more ofthe same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papersand conferences.If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX orWindows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some newarea like that.
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Enough already :-)... Lee (jealous in England!) -Original Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: 19 February 2002 08:08To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the 200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?MogensSuhen Pather wrote: Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS , Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network ( www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.EoM (End of Marketing).PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?MogensGreg Moore wrote:!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--!--[endif]-- Now wheredo I go for more Oracle training?Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on thelatest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. CraigShallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may giveadvanced classes.The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freelyavailable, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA'soffer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more ofthe same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papersand conferences.If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX orWindows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some newarea like that. The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system.
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Mogens, Are you sure you have that time scale right for the flight times? I seem to recall it took me a mere (!) 24 hours to return to NYC from Brisbane. and I am jealous and longing to go to this class as well. sigh.. Rachel --- Mogens Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the 200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we? Mogens Suhen Pather wrote: Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS , Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message- From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network ( www.OakTable.net http://www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on. EoM (End of Marketing). PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...? Mogens Greg Moore wrote: Now where do I go for more Oracle training? Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig Shallahamer (www.orapub.com http://www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap. Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give advanced classes. The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers and conferences. If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new area like that. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Mogens is using a new type of aircraft from the other large Seattle company That's why it takes 10 times longer... ;-) -- James Morle Scale Abilities, Ltd http://www.scaleabilities.co.uk Author of Scaling Oracle8i - Building Highly Scalable OLTP System Architectures -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rachel Carmichael Sent: 19 February 2002 12:38 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Mogens, Are you sure you have that time scale right for the flight times? I seem to recall it took me a mere (!) 24 hours to return to NYC from Brisbane. and I am jealous and longing to go to this class as well. sigh.. Rachel --- Mogens Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the 200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we? Mogens Suhen Pather wrote: Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS , Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message- From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network ( www.OakTable.net http://www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on. EoM (End of Marketing). PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...? Mogens Greg Moore wrote: Now where do I go for more Oracle training? Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig Shallahamer (www.orapub.com http://www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap. Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give advanced classes. The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers and conferences. If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new area like that. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Obviously you don't know Boeing Travel. The way it works is: 8 hours flying time to Hawaii. 230 hours layover (with per diem). 12 hours flying time to Sydney. And if you schedule your flight to Hawaii for wheels up before 6am, then you get a full per-diem for that day too. James Morle James.Morle To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L @scaleabiliti[EMAIL PROTECTED] es.co.ukcc: Sent by: rootSubject: RE: Where does a DBA go from here? 02/19/2002 08:08 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L Mogens is using a new type of aircraft from the other large Seattle company That's why it takes 10 times longer... ;-) -- James Morle Scale Abilities, Ltd http://www.scaleabilities.co.uk Author of Scaling Oracle8i - Building Highly Scalable OLTP System Architectures -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rachel Carmichael Sent: 19 February 2002 12:38 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Mogens, Are you sure you have that time scale right for the flight times? I seem to recall it took me a mere (!) 24 hours to return to NYC from Brisbane. and I am jealous and longing to go to this class as well. sigh.. Rachel --- Mogens Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the 200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we? Mogens Suhen Pather wrote: Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS , Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message- From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network ( www.OakTable.net http://www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on. EoM (End of Marketing). PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
ah, I thought perhaps it was because every 500 miles he has to stop and have a beer or two, or threee --- James Morle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mogens is using a new type of aircraft from the other large Seattle company That's why it takes 10 times longer... ;-) -- James Morle Scale Abilities, Ltd http://www.scaleabilities.co.uk Author of Scaling Oracle8i - Building Highly Scalable OLTP System Architectures -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rachel Carmichael Sent: 19 February 2002 12:38 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Mogens, Are you sure you have that time scale right for the flight times? I seem to recall it took me a mere (!) 24 hours to return to NYC from Brisbane. and I am jealous and longing to go to this class as well. sigh.. Rachel --- Mogens Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the 200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we? Mogens Suhen Pather wrote: Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS , Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message- From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network ( www.OakTable.net http://www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on. EoM (End of Marketing). PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...? Mogens Greg Moore wrote: Now where do I go for more Oracle training? Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig Shallahamer (www.orapub.com http://www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap. Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give advanced classes. The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers and conferences. If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or === message truncated === __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Maybe he is doing a round the world trip before getting to Sydney. $uhen Mogens is using a new type of aircraft from the other large Seattle company That's why it takes 10 times longer... ;-) -- James Morle Scale Abilities, Ltd http://www.scaleabilities.co.uk Author of Scaling Oracle8i - Building Highly Scalable OLTP System Architectures -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rachel Carmichael Sent: 19 February 2002 12:38 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Mogens, Are you sure you have that time scale right for the flight times? I seem to recall it took me a mere (!) 24 hours to return to NYC from Brisbane. and I am jealous and longing to go to this class as well. sigh.. Rachel --- Mogens Nørgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the 200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we? Mogens Suhen Pather wrote: Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS , Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message- From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network ( www.OakTable.net http://www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on. EoM (End of Marketing). PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...? Mogens Greg Moore wrote: Now where do I go for more Oracle training? Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig Shallahamer (www.orapub.com http://www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap. Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give advanced classes. The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers and conferences. If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new area like that. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego
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I'm in for it! -Original Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 7:08 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the 200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we?MogensSuhen Pather wrote: Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS , Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network ( www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.EoM (End of Marketing).PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?MogensGreg Moore wrote:!--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]--!--[endif]-- Now wheredo I go for more Oracle training?Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on thelatest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. CraigShallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may giveadvanced classes.The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freelyavailable, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA'soffer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more ofthe same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papersand conferences.If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX orWindows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some newarea like that.
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Count me in for both parties. $uhen Yeah, we're doing the Forum on 27-28 of May (confirmed) and we'll do a Miracle Master Class with Jonathan about 5-6 weeks later. Apart from the 200-250 hours flight time to get there, it should prove fun. Let's have a Fatcity Oracle-L party while we're there, shall we? Mogens Suhen Pather wrote: Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS , Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney ?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message- From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network ( www.OakTable.net ) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on. EoM (End of Marketing). PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...? Mogens Greg Moore wrote: !--[if !supportLineBreakNewLine]-- !--[endif]-- Now where do I go for more Oracle training? Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig Shallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap. Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give advanced classes. The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers and conferences. If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new area like that.
Re: Where does a DBA go from here?
Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network (www.OakTable.net) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on. EoM (End of Marketing). PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...? Mogens Greg Moore wrote: Now wheredo I go for more Oracle training? Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on thelatest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. CraigShallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may giveadvanced classes.The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freelyavailable, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA'soffer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more ofthe same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papersand conferences.If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX orWindows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some newarea like that.
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here?Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network (www.OakTable.net) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.EoM (End of Marketing).PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?MogensGreg Moore wrote: Now wheredo I go for more Oracle training?Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on thelatest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. CraigShallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap.Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may giveadvanced classes.The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freelyavailable, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA'soffer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more ofthe same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papersand conferences.If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX orWindows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some newarea like that.
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message- From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network (www.OakTable.net) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on. EoM (End of Marketing). PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...? Mogens Greg Moore wrote: Now where do I go for more Oracle training? Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig Shallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap. Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give advanced classes. The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers and conferences. If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new area like that.
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Thanks for the information Suhen. -Original Message-From: Suhen Pather [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 11:48 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Where does a DBA go from here? Sujatha, Just spoke to Peter Bach, Miracle AS, Australia The forum dates are not confirmed yet but it will be towards the end of May. Once he has the dates confirmed he will post it on the Miracle website. You can call him for more info, the numbers can be obtained from the Miracle AS website. It should be a great training to attend with lots of big names from the industry. He says that Jonathan Lewis will also be doing a training course (seminar) in Australia similar to the one on his website (JLCOMP). Regards $uhen Where can I get more information about this Database Forum in Sydney?? Cheers, Sujatha -Original Message-From: Mogens Nørgaard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2002 10:18 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Re: Where does a DBA go from here? Time for some real marketing here :-). Jonathan Lewis, Cary Millsap, Anjo Kolk, Steve Adams, Bjorn Engsig, James Morle and a few others will be the main speakers at the Database Forum we're doing in Sydney in late May. A couple of days with these guys should prove fun and educational. These days we even have an informal organisation called The OakTable Network (www.OakTable.net) which, for instance, will have a booth at Oracle World in Copenhagen in June where you can ask anything you like, sit around my oak table, and drink beer (well, maybe not that :) ), listen to mini presentations by the guys, and so on.EoM (End of Marketing).PS: We'll also try to build the worlds biggest laptop RAC cluster. That's proving a challenge. So far, we've managed to run two nodes on the laptops, but then it becomes harder - much harder. But James, Jonathan and Bjorn are working on it. Wouldn't it be fun if anybody could bring their laptop, plug it in, be part of the RAC thing for some minutes, and then get a certificate stating that the person participated in the worlds biggest, etc...?MogensGreg Moore wrote: Now where do I go for more Oracle training? Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig Shallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap. Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give advanced classes. The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers and conferences. If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new area like that.
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Its Friday, the immediate solution is get beer !! As to your other problem its text book time - take a look at Tuning 101 by the lists own Kirti and Gaja. Lee -Original Message- Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA (Oracle 7!), Backup Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where do I go for more Oracle training? This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases. We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there? education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals. Or is that where I'm at now? Confused and no beer. Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
I agree, get the pints in first. Worry about Oracle later. When you do come to it, try Oracle8i internal services for waits, latches, locks and memory by Steve Adams. And of course book. Jim -Original Message- Lee - lerobe Sent: 08 February 2002 09:58 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Its Friday, the immediate solution is get beer !! As to your other problem its text book time - take a look at Tuning 101 by the lists own Kirti and Gaja. Lee -Original Message- Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA (Oracle 7!), Backup Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where do I go for more Oracle training? This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases. We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there? education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals. Or is that where I'm at now? Confused and no beer. Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James McCann INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
I meant to say of course Kirti's book Jim -Original Message- McCann Sent: 08 February 2002 11:18 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I agree, get the pints in first. Worry about Oracle later. When you do come to it, try Oracle8i internal services for waits, latches, locks and memory by Steve Adams. And of course book. Jim -Original Message- Lee - lerobe Sent: 08 February 2002 09:58 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Its Friday, the immediate solution is get beer !! As to your other problem its text book time - take a look at Tuning 101 by the lists own Kirti and Gaja. Lee -Original Message- Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA (Oracle 7!), Backup Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where do I go for more Oracle training? This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases. We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there? education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals. Or is that where I'm at now? Confused and no beer. Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James McCann INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James McCann INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Rich, The best Oracle training I've ever had by far is playing around with a small test DB on a laptop or PC. Stress it, hurt it, recover it, tune it, etc., etc. When done in conjunction with one of the fine books mentioned by others on this list - even better. I've only had one official Oracle training course - in the spring of 1989. It was 4-1/2 days of RDBMS v5, SQL*Forms and RPT/RPF. Since then I've attended some of the mini courses at IOUG, ODTUG, Open World, etc. - nice little hits of the latest technologies. I studied for my Oracle8 OCP exams by working through Jason Couchman's book and beating up an 8.0.5 DB on my PC - learned a hell of a lot. My on-going study plan for Oracle skills boils down to Beating, Browsing and Books. - Beat up a test database - Browse fine Web sites like Steve Adams' IXORA (and beat up the DB) - Buy and read good books (and beat up the DB) I think I've learned about as much as if I'd sat in a bunch of classes - and saved a pile of money. ;-) Jack Jack C. Applewhite Database Administrator/Developer OCP Oracle8 DBA iNetProfit, Inc. Austin, Texas www.iNetProfit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (512)327-9068 -Original Message- Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA (Oracle 7!), Backup Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where do I go for more Oracle training? This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases. We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there? education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals. Or is that where I'm at now? Confused and no beer. Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jack C. Applewhite INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
OK, from the responses, here's The Plan: 1) Get beer. I prefer Guinness or Goose Island. Done. 2) Get Oracle Perf Tuning 101. Done. 3) Get more beer. 4) Beat up on some test DBs, and work on real live DBs to engrain that class material into the surviving brain cells (see Step 1). Sorta done with this one, but I need more. The 22 DBs here at work and 1 at home ought to help! 5) Get more beer. 6) Go to Oracle conferences. I need to go 7) Get more beer. 8) Hit the web, preferrably with beer in non-mouse hand. (Wisconsin twin-can beer hat optional) 9) Go to Internals class and actually understand and learn from it. Yay! 10) Get lots more beer. 11) Actually do some work here. Sounds good folks. I think I'm on the right track (sans beer at work, of course), with my Oracle course work completed over a year ago, and some DBA experiences under my belt. Time to plunk away at more DBs! Thanks! :) Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA President, Beer Ale Lager Lovers Society http://www.westbend.net/~legoman -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rich, The best Oracle training I've ever had by far is playing around with a small test DB on a laptop or PC. Stress it, hurt it, recover it, tune it, etc., etc. When done in conjunction with one of the fine books mentioned by others on this list - even better. I've only had one official Oracle training course - in the spring of 1989. It was 4-1/2 days of RDBMS v5, SQL*Forms and RPT/RPF. Since then I've attended some of the mini courses at IOUG, ODTUG, Open World, etc. - nice little hits of the latest technologies. I studied for my Oracle8 OCP exams by working through Jason Couchman's book and beating up an 8.0.5 DB on my PC - learned a hell of a lot. My on-going study plan for Oracle skills boils down to Beating, Browsing and Books. - Beat up a test database - Browse fine Web sites like Steve Adams' IXORA (and beat up the DB) - Buy and read good books (and beat up the DB) I think I've learned about as much as if I'd sat in a bunch of classes - and saved a pile of money. ;-) Jack Jack C. Applewhite Database Administrator/Developer OCP Oracle8 DBA iNetProfit, Inc. Austin, Texas www.iNetProfit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (512)327-9068 -Original Message- Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA (Oracle 7!), Backup Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where do I go for more Oracle training? This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases. We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there? education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals. Or is that where I'm at now? Confused and no beer. Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Can anyone tell me if Steve's book contains details that would be useful in understanding the Wait Interface that Tuning 101 covers? Or would it be more redundant from that aspect? Thanks. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I agree, get the pints in first. Worry about Oracle later. When you do come to it, try Oracle8i internal services for waits, latches, locks and memory by Steve Adams. And of course book. Jim -Original Message- Lee - lerobe Sent: 08 February 2002 09:58 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Its Friday, the immediate solution is get beer !! As to your other problem its text book time - take a look at Tuning 101 by the lists own Kirti and Gaja. Lee -Original Message- Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA (Oracle 7!), Backup Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where do I go for more Oracle training? This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases. We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there? education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals. Or is that where I'm at now? Confused and no beer. Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James McCann INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Where does a DBA go from here?
Definitely #6. I've learned more from conferences that anywhere else. If nothing else you get to drink with the people from the list :), i' ll be at IOUG. joe Jesse, Rich wrote: OK, from the responses, here's The Plan: 1) Get beer. I prefer Guinness or Goose Island. Done. 2) Get Oracle Perf Tuning 101. Done. 3) Get more beer. 4) Beat up on some test DBs, and work on real live DBs to engrain that class material into the surviving brain cells (see Step 1). Sorta done with this one, but I need more. The 22 DBs here at work and 1 at home ought to help! 5) Get more beer. 6) Go to Oracle conferences. I need to go 7) Get more beer. 8) Hit the web, preferrably with beer in non-mouse hand. (Wisconsin twin-can beer hat optional) 9) Go to Internals class and actually understand and learn from it. Yay! 10)Get lots more beer. 11)Actually do some work here. Sounds good folks. I think I'm on the right track (sans beer at work, of course), with my Oracle course work completed over a year ago, and some DBA experiences under my belt. Time to plunk away at more DBs! Thanks! :) Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA President, Beer Ale Lager Lovers Society http://www.westbend.net/~legoman -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 8:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Rich, The best Oracle training I've ever had by far is playing around with a small test DB on a laptop or PC. Stress it, hurt it, recover it, tune it, etc., etc. When done in conjunction with one of the fine books mentioned by others on this list - even better. I've only had one official Oracle training course - in the spring of 1989. It was 4-1/2 days of RDBMS v5, SQL*Forms and RPT/RPF. Since then I've attended some of the mini courses at IOUG, ODTUG, Open World, etc. - nice little hits of the latest technologies. I studied for my Oracle8 OCP exams by working through Jason Couchman's book and beating up an 8.0.5 DB on my PC - learned a hell of a lot. My on-going study plan for Oracle skills boils down to Beating, Browsing and Books. - Beat up a test database - Browse fine Web sites like Steve Adams' IXORA (and beat up the DB) - Buy and read good books (and beat up the DB) I think I've learned about as much as if I'd sat in a bunch of classes - and saved a pile of money. ;-) Jack Jack C. Applewhite Database Administrator/Developer OCP Oracle8 DBA iNetProfit, Inc. Austin, Texas www.iNetProfit.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] (512)327-9068 -Original Message- Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA (Oracle 7!), Backup Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where do I go for more Oracle training? This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases. We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there? education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals. Or is that where I'm at now? Confused and no beer. Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joseph S Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Title: RE: Where does a DBA go from here? I haven't read the Tuning 101 but it sounds like it lets you know where you are waiting. The Internals book will give you in-depth knowledge of why by diving deeper into some of the algorithms used to implement those waits. Break out the aspirin 'cause it ain't leisure reading. HTH Tony Aponte -Original Message- From: DENNIS WILLIAMS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Where does a DBA go from here? Can anyone tell me if Steve's book contains details that would be useful in understanding the Wait Interface that Tuning 101 covers? Or would it be more redundant from that aspect? Thanks. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 5:18 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I agree, get the pints in first. Worry about Oracle later. When you do come to it, try Oracle8i internal services for waits, latches, locks and memory by Steve Adams. And of course book. Jim -Original Message- Lee - lerobe Sent: 08 February 2002 09:58 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Its Friday, the immediate solution is get beer !! As to your other problem its text book time - take a look at Tuning 101 by the lists own Kirti and Gaja. Lee -Original Message- Sent: 07 February 2002 21:07 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA (Oracle 7!), Backup Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where do I go for more Oracle training? This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases. We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there? education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals. Or is that where I'm at now? Confused and no beer. Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication is confidential, is intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please re-send this communication to the sender and delete the original message or any copy of it from your computer system. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Robertson Lee - lerobe INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: James McCann INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
A year or two ago, I picked up Steve's book in a bookstore, browsed thru it, and put it back on the shelf. A very good slap in the face for someone who thought they were resonably knowledgable about Oracle. At that momemt I realized that I was just chopping away at the tip of the iceberg. I've also learned to really appreciate the tidbits that Steve throws out on this list and his website! I think I could make a better stab at it now, but I'm not done with Tuning 101 yet. Too many users mucking up MY databases! ;) Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 1:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I haven't read the Tuning 101 but it sounds like it lets you know where you are waiting. The Internals book will give you in-depth knowledge of why by diving deeper into some of the algorithms used to implement those waits. Break out the aspirin 'cause it ain't leisure reading. HTH Tony Aponte -Original Message- Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 12:48 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Can anyone tell me if Steve's book contains details that would be useful in understanding the Wait Interface that Tuning 101 covers? Or would it be more redundant from that aspect? Thanks. Dennis Williams DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Where does a DBA go from here?
Now where do I go for more Oracle training? Consider looking at the web sites of the Oracle DBA's who are up on the latest techniques. They sometimes teach advanced classes. Craig Shallahamer (www.orapub.com) offers an advanced class, as does Cary Millsap. Steve Adams recently taught a class in San Francisco. Tim Gorman may give advanced classes. The latest and best thinking seems to appear first in papers that are freely available, and then later appears in books and classes. These four DBA's offer papers like that on their sites, and link to other sites with more of the same. After a certain point you have to turn to quality books, papers and conferences. If it's classes you want, a clever move might be to take some UNIX or Windows system administration ones, to broaden your skills into some new area like that. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Greg Moore INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Where does a DBA go from here?
Time to do some work! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 4:07 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA (Oracle 7!), Backup Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where do I go for more Oracle training? This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases. We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there? education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals. Or is that where I'm at now? Confused and no beer. Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Khedr, Waleed INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Where does a DBA go from here?
you're at the internals classes and the conferences. At this point in time, I tell managers that the only way I learn is to attend the conferences --- Jesse, Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, there I am. I've taken the main Oracle courses -- Intro to SQL, DBA (Oracle 7!), Backup Recovery, Network Admin, and Perf Tuning. Now where do I go for more Oracle training? This is sparked by a recent perceived lag in one of our new databases. We've tracked it down to a possible hot block or two, but I never used X$BH or V$LATCH_CHILDREN in any of my Oracle classes. And I *know* I'm far from being ready for an Internals class. So how do I get from here to there? education.oracle.com doesn't seem to have a whole lot other than Internals. Or is that where I'm at now? Confused and no beer. Rich JesseSystem/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech International, Sussex, WI USA -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
