Re: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
Kirti, I've got that book if you want it. joe Deshpande, Kirti wrote: To pass OCP tests, one has to follow whatever the Student Guides say :-) What is right or wrong is not what is tested in OCP, but what's in those guides that you get in those ILT classes from OU. That's why I am looking for 8i NF Student Guides (I can't locate mine since our move to our new 42 sq ft cubicles a few months ago ;) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 12:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Kirti, Im curious If you scored 100%, what was your answer on that performance question when your cache hit ratio was not 99+% ? Mike -Original Message- Sent: Friday, June 28, 2002 7:53 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Joe Testa INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
Hi Kirti, From where can i get Student Guides to pass OCP Nitheesh -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Pullikol Kumar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
You have to take prescribed Oracle University's Instructor Let Training Classes (ILT). Please note that it is not guaranteed that one passes OCP after reading these Guides. From my experience most questions are based on the material in those Guides. - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Saturday, June 29, 2002 9:43 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Kirti, From where can i get Student Guides to pass OCP Nitheesh -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Pullikol Kumar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
*** I swear this will be my last post on the issue. If I've offended anyone, they have my most sincere appology. However, I think you have interpreted this wrong. I have never said or implied, nor do I remember seeing anyone else say, that anyone with an OCP is trying to cover up for some deficiency. In the post that you replied to, I said a few... that waved their OCP around like it was a Nobel prize. These (two) people were - quite obviously. The vast majority of OCPs I've known, including many on this list, are not like that at all. Many got it because it is now a market necessity. Some got it to get an entry-level DBA position. A few that I know got it just to see if they could pass all the exams without any preparation. My problem is not with people who have it, it is with the marketing and hype that has made it mandatory - regardless of level of exerience or anything else. And also with Oracle's most recent greedy exploitation of the situation they created. Will I get it? Probably. (I don't want to be the only one left without it and it looks like Kirti's gonna go for it now. ;-) I've been lucky that my last two jobs I got because someone I had worked with previously called me (a VP and a CTO). However, when and if I have to go looking again, I'll likely need it just to clear the HR checklist hurdle and land an interview. (Unless I get lucky again). Lets see... What do I need to do in the next few months... Finish building and testing a Linux 9i RAC system, set up new software for the MML on every server and migrate all the backups it and a new tape library, diagnose and redesign | tune significant parts of a custom in-house application, move two other internal Oracle systems to bigger servers, spend a couple of weeks reviewing and hardening a client's nine exclusive Oracle8i systems in Chicago and one 8i OPS system in Texas (all but one using literally every option Oracle offers in 8i, including iFS - which I haven't yet had time/motivation to learn), do a security and architectural assessment of a prototype 8i system that another client wants to install in *thousands* of retail locations around the world, do the standard only DBA in a shop full of developers development support and production thing, work with the CTO and VP on developing a disaster recovery plan, *perhaps* write a white paper (or two) and a presentation (or two) for OOW 2002, and, oh yeah, ... study for and take about six essentially entry-level DBA exams before Oracle ups the ante again. Sorry, but if I had a choice, I'd rather sleep occassionally instead. I don't really need any more flaming hoops to jump through. I imagine there are a lot of people like me out there who feel the same way. Don Granaman [OraSaurus] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 4:33 AM I've been pretty quiet while you all said that the OCP program was pretty worthless because I can see your point. I don't believe that it proves that the holder is technically better than someone has isn't certified. From my point of view, though, I'm convinced that in a tight market it's helped to get me into interviews and that justifies the cost to me. Now, however, you're straying towards calling OCP DBAs liars and cheats and implying that we're dangerous to have on site and I'm sorry but I'm not going to have that. What merit is there in saying doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP ... should have one too.. Where's the evidence for that kind of witless comment? I originally took my OCP after amassing 10 years of DBA experience. I don't want to get into a pissing contest over this but it grates on me to have it constantly implied that OCP is just there to make up for lack of ability. I'm aware that many of you (Don for instance) have qualified their statements by saying that applies to a few or some but the implication is still that the majority of OCPs are trying to make up for some sort of technical deficiency. If you don't want to spend the money or the time then that's fine by me. I certainly won't it necessary to criticise you for it. Regards, Mike Hately No, really; I usually have a sense of humour. -Original Message- Sent: 27 June 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L From my experience with a few DBAs that waved their OCP around like it was a Nobel prize, some probably should have malpractice insurance. Lots of it. Don Granaman [Certifiable OraSaurus - NOCP] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:08 AM But doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP does not or do/should OCP have one too. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Don Granaman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
I kind of regret perpetuating this thread now. It should have died gracefully on Wednesday really. You seem to have a quiet year ahead of you Don. Plenty of time left for hoop-jumping =) Unfortunately it now seems to be an even heavier financial undertaking than it used to be. It brings it home to you when people are talking about blowing their 'boat budgets' and suchlike. Rather than imposing mandatory course attendance it may have been an idea for Oracle to actually make the exams harder to encourage people to attend courses voluntarily and to increase the number of failures/retakes. Also it would have helped the image of the OCP program. They've just strengthened the evidence (if that were needed) of OCP being simply a useful revenue stream. Never mind, I'll call it; this thread has gone. Time is now 12:16GMT. Mike -Original Message- Sent: 28 June 2002 12:08 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L *** I swear this will be my last post on the issue. If I've offended anyone, they have my most sincere appology. However, I think you have interpreted this wrong. I have never said or implied, nor do I remember seeing anyone else say, that anyone with an OCP is trying to cover up for some deficiency. In the post that you replied to, I said a few... that waved their OCP around like it was a Nobel prize. These (two) people were - quite obviously. The vast majority of OCPs I've known, including many on this list, are not like that at all. Many got it because it is now a market necessity. Some got it to get an entry-level DBA position. A few that I know got it just to see if they could pass all the exams without any preparation. My problem is not with people who have it, it is with the marketing and hype that has made it mandatory - regardless of level of exerience or anything else. And also with Oracle's most recent greedy exploitation of the situation they created. Will I get it? Probably. (I don't want to be the only one left without it and it looks like Kirti's gonna go for it now. ;-) I've been lucky that my last two jobs I got because someone I had worked with previously called me (a VP and a CTO). However, when and if I have to go looking again, I'll likely need it just to clear the HR checklist hurdle and land an interview. (Unless I get lucky again). Lets see... What do I need to do in the next few months... Finish building and testing a Linux 9i RAC system, set up new software for the MML on every server and migrate all the backups it and a new tape library, diagnose and redesign | tune significant parts of a custom in-house application, move two other internal Oracle systems to bigger servers, spend a couple of weeks reviewing and hardening a client's nine exclusive Oracle8i systems in Chicago and one 8i OPS system in Texas (all but one using literally every option Oracle offers in 8i, including iFS - which I haven't yet had time/motivation to learn), do a security and architectural assessment of a prototype 8i system that another client wants to install in *thousands* of retail locations around the world, do the standard only DBA in a shop full of developers development support and production thing, work with the CTO and VP on developing a disaster recovery plan, *perhaps* write a white paper (or two) and a presentation (or two) for OOW 2002, and, oh yeah, ... study for and take about six essentially entry-level DBA exams before Oracle ups the ante again. Sorry, but if I had a choice, I'd rather sleep occassionally instead. I don't really need any more flaming hoops to jump through. I imagine there are a lot of people like me out there who feel the same way. Don Granaman [OraSaurus] This email and any attached to it are confidential and intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by telephoning or emailing the sender. You should also delete the email and any attachment from your systems and should not copy the email or any attachment or disclose their content to any other person or entity. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Churchill Insurance Group plc or its affiliates or subsidiaries. Thank you. Churchill Insurance Group plc. Company Registration Number - 2280426. England. Registered Office: Churchill Court, Westmoreland Road, Bromley, Kent BR1 1DP. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hately Mike INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line
RE: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
I've been pretty quiet while you all said that the OCP program was pretty worthless because I can see your point. I don't believe that it proves that the holder is technically better than someone has isn't certified. From my point of view, though, I'm convinced that in a tight market it's helped to get me into interviews and that justifies the cost to me. Now, however, you're straying towards calling OCP DBAs liars and cheats and implying that we're dangerous to have on site and I'm sorry but I'm not going to have that. What merit is there in saying doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP ... should have one too.. Where's the evidence for that kind of witless comment? I originally took my OCP after amassing 10 years of DBA experience. I don't want to get into a pissing contest over this but it grates on me to have it constantly implied that OCP is just there to make up for lack of ability. I'm aware that many of you (Don for instance) have qualified their statements by saying that applies to a few or some but the implication is still that the majority of OCPs are trying to make up for some sort of technical deficiency. If you don't want to spend the money or the time then that's fine by me. I certainly won't it necessary to criticise you for it. Regards, Mike Hately No, really; I usually have a sense of humour. -Original Message- Sent: 27 June 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L From my experience with a few DBAs that waved their OCP around like it was a Nobel prize, some probably should have malpractice insurance. Lots of it. Don Granaman [Certifiable OraSaurus - NOCP] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:08 AM But doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP does not or do/should OCP have one too. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Don Granaman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). This email and any attached to it are confidential and intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by telephoning or emailing the sender. You should also delete the email and any attachment from your systems and should not copy the email or any attachment or disclose their content to any other person or entity. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Churchill Insurance Group plc or its affiliates or subsidiaries. Thank you. Churchill Insurance Group plc. Company Registration Number - 2280426. England. Registered Office: Churchill Court, Westmoreland Road, Bromley, Kent BR1 1DP. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hately Mike INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
Mike, If you got the impression from anything I've posted here that I believe anyone who has gotten the OCP title is a liar and a cheat then I am very sorry as that is NOT the impression I meant to give. I think the OCP exam itself is worthless and not a measure of what a DBA knows. I think there are many DBAs out there who can add OCP to their resume who are wonderful DBAs (let's see, I read and learn from your posts, Joe Testa's, Kevin Loney has it as well and others) What I object to is the presumption that if you have those letters on your resume you are AUTOMATICALLY a good DBA. Rachel --- Hately Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been pretty quiet while you all said that the OCP program was pretty worthless because I can see your point. I don't believe that it proves that the holder is technically better than someone has isn't certified. From my point of view, though, I'm convinced that in a tight market it's helped to get me into interviews and that justifies the cost to me. Now, however, you're straying towards calling OCP DBAs liars and cheats and implying that we're dangerous to have on site and I'm sorry but I'm not going to have that. What merit is there in saying doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP ... should have one too.. Where's the evidence for that kind of witless comment? I originally took my OCP after amassing 10 years of DBA experience. I don't want to get into a pissing contest over this but it grates on me to have it constantly implied that OCP is just there to make up for lack of ability. I'm aware that many of you (Don for instance) have qualified their statements by saying that applies to a few or some but the implication is still that the majority of OCPs are trying to make up for some sort of technical deficiency. If you don't want to spend the money or the time then that's fine by me. I certainly won't it necessary to criticise you for it. Regards, Mike Hately No, really; I usually have a sense of humour. -Original Message- Sent: 27 June 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L From my experience with a few DBAs that waved their OCP around like it was a Nobel prize, some probably should have malpractice insurance. Lots of it. Don Granaman [Certifiable OraSaurus - NOCP] - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:08 AM But doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP does not or do/should OCP have one too. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Don Granaman INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). This email and any attached to it are confidential and intended only for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please let us know by telephoning or emailing the sender. You should also delete the email and any attachment from your systems and should not copy the email or any attachment or disclose their content to any other person or entity. The views expressed here are not necessarily those of Churchill Insurance Group plc or its affiliates or subsidiaries. Thank you. Churchill Insurance Group plc. Company Registration Number - 2280426. England. Registered Office: Churchill Court, Westmoreland Road, Bromley, Kent BR1 1DP. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Hately Mike INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
I am sorry, but did not read all the postings in this thread, but I think I will go take 8i upgrade OCP before it disappears, and then 9i upgrade (and then 10i upgrade next year!!) Do I have to have OCP Certification for my current job? Absolutely not. But, having it may increase my chances in the marketplace if had to quit and be on my own as a Freelance Contractor DBA or whatever. That's about it. I do not have any objections if one wants to spend the money and time to get the certificate. We are free to have our own opinion about its value. I have pasted Dilbert's cartoon (re:Network Certification, from a couple of years or so ago) on my Oracle8 OCP certificate that sits in my cube. The cartoon was upgraded to read Database Server (instead of Network Server) and the 'C' on the T-shirt of the certified professional, was changed to OCP :) One of our N/W admins liked it so much, that she copied it and changed it back to read NETWORK!! So, there are others who see the 'value' in such certifications. I will now return to my 8i OCP prep. Anyone wants to sell the student guides from 8i NF ILT ??? ;-)) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Mike, If you got the impression from anything I've posted here that I believe anyone who has gotten the OCP title is a liar and a cheat then I am very sorry as that is NOT the impression I meant to give. I think the OCP exam itself is worthless and not a measure of what a DBA knows. I think there are many DBAs out there who can add OCP to their resume who are wonderful DBAs (let's see, I read and learn from your posts, Joe Testa's, Kevin Loney has it as well and others) What I object to is the presumption that if you have those letters on your resume you are AUTOMATICALLY a good DBA. Rachel --- Hately Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been pretty quiet while you all said that the OCP program was pretty worthless because I can see your point. I don't believe that it proves that the holder is technically better than someone has isn't certified. From my point of view, though, I'm convinced that in a tight market it's helped to get me into interviews and that justifies the cost to me. Now, however, you're straying towards calling OCP DBAs liars and cheats and implying that we're dangerous to have on site and I'm sorry but I'm not going to have that. What merit is there in saying doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP ... should have one too.. Where's the evidence for that kind of witless comment? I originally took my OCP after amassing 10 years of DBA experience. I don't want to get into a pissing contest over this but it grates on me to have it constantly implied that OCP is just there to make up for lack of ability. I'm aware that many of you (Don for instance) have qualified their statements by saying that applies to a few or some but the implication is still that the majority of OCPs are trying to make up for some sort of technical deficiency. If you don't want to spend the money or the time then that's fine by me. I certainly won't it necessary to criticise you for it. Regards, Mike Hately No, really; I usually have a sense of humour. -Original Message- Sent: 27 June 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L From my experience with a few DBAs that waved their OCP around like it was a Nobel prize, some probably should have malpractice insurance. Lots of it. Don Granaman [Certifiable OraSaurus - NOCP] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
Psst! Kirti, I have the questions to the exam. Meet me in the alley behind the drugstore downtown and we can hash out a deal... --Walt -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:19 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I will now return to my 8i OCP prep. Anyone wants to sell the student guides from 8i NF ILT ??? ;-)) - Kirti -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 6:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Mike, If you got the impression from anything I've posted here that I believe anyone who has gotten the OCP title is a liar and a cheat then I am very sorry as that is NOT the impression I meant to give. I think the OCP exam itself is worthless and not a measure of what a DBA knows. I think there are many DBAs out there who can add OCP to their resume who are wonderful DBAs (let's see, I read and learn from your posts, Joe Testa's, Kevin Loney has it as well and others) What I object to is the presumption that if you have those letters on your resume you are AUTOMATICALLY a good DBA. Rachel --- Hately Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been pretty quiet while you all said that the OCP program was pretty worthless because I can see your point. I don't believe that it proves that the holder is technically better than someone has isn't certified. From my point of view, though, I'm convinced that in a tight market it's helped to get me into interviews and that justifies the cost to me. Now, however, you're straying towards calling OCP DBAs liars and cheats and implying that we're dangerous to have on site and I'm sorry but I'm not going to have that. What merit is there in saying doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP ... should have one too.. Where's the evidence for that kind of witless comment? I originally took my OCP after amassing 10 years of DBA experience. I don't want to get into a pissing contest over this but it grates on me to have it constantly implied that OCP is just there to make up for lack of ability. I'm aware that many of you (Don for instance) have qualified their statements by saying that applies to a few or some but the implication is still that the majority of OCPs are trying to make up for some sort of technical deficiency. If you don't want to spend the money or the time then that's fine by me. I certainly won't it necessary to criticise you for it. Regards, Mike Hately No, really; I usually have a sense of humour. -Original Message- Sent: 27 June 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L From my experience with a few DBAs that waved their OCP around like it was a Nobel prize, some probably should have malpractice insurance. Lots of it. Don Granaman [Certifiable OraSaurus - NOCP] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Deshpande, Kirti INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Weaver, Walt INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: the ora certified masters cert - finally bloody sick
-Original Message- snip What merit is there in saying doctors have malpractice insurance and OCP ... should have one too.. snip [pouring oil on troubled waters] Uhmmm, I took that as humor. I don't think anybody in their right mind wants to link the DBA profession to the legal profession in this or any other way. I don't have an OCP. Having spent most of my DBA life as a contractor, I haven't been able to spare the time or the money (laugh if you will, but all my spare time and cash gets sucked into this hole in the water...). Now I'm an employee in a company that doesn't have the resources to provide training, time off, or all those other wonderful perks like visits to IOUG or OOW or anywhere else farther than the nearest pub. And, I earn about half of what I used to earn before last summer. With 10 solid years of Oracle experience, 6 of those as a DBA, I simply could not get an interview or even a call back from any company I submitted a resume to (I did get about 10 automated response letters). When I finally did get an interview with people who knew me and couldn't believe I was available, I took the job. Was it the lack of the letters OCP on my resume? Was it simply a sign of the times? I don't know. I keep thinking that maybe I'll buy the books, study, and spring for the cost out of my boat budget (cringe). On the other hand, I keep thinking about one OCP I worked with who thought he knew everything and really knew very little. Tough decision. I wish somebody would offer me a job with a training and UG meeting budget (and good vacation time and it's gotta be in the Northwest near water and . well a guy's gotta dream.) Kevin Kennedy First Point Energy Corporation -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: kkennedy INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
