RE: Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k
You don't need to rebuild when a datafile is added. Once the recovery fails you just issue the create datafile command on the standby. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 2k First off, your process is doing a lot of unnecessary work. Standby databases are available in 7.3.4. I believe that would be somewhat simpler than your current procedure. I haven't tried it though, so I could be wrong. Even with your current procedure, you don't need to copy all of the files, most of the time anyway. Build your standby database, put it in recovery mode, and just keep applying archive log files to it. You may need to rebuild when a datafile is added to a tablespace, not sure. In 8i, why not just use standby database? Jared Arif Khan (GWL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/05/2002 06:53 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k Hello We currently have two Identical servers (identical in terms of both Hardware and SW). We run Oracle 7.3.4.0 (Workgroup server) on Win NT 4 on both the servers. We call them as Production Server and Stand by server. The Stand by server is passive in nature (i.e. does not do anything). Every night a batch process shuts down Oracle instance on both the machines and copies over all the files (Data, log, ctl etc) from Production Server to the Stand by server (Drive to drive, directory to directory...) In case the Production Server fails, we simply switch over the users (with a different alias to the stand by server) and they are back in business. Now, we are thinking of migrating to 8.1.7, however while trying to install this version, one needs to specify a Global name which I believe has to be unique on the network. So will the same process that I used to run (i.e. copy all files over from production to stand by ) work??? I guess both my servers will now have to have separate/unique Global Names. Is there any other approach that any of you can suggest??? TIA Arif -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Arif Khan (GWL) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k
Right. Stand-by is exactly what you are trying to simulate. The archive logs will reproduce 99% of what happens in the production environment. In addition, it will provide for a quicker recovery. AT From: Miller, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:23:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: from newsfeed.cts.com ([209.68.248.164]) by mc4-f38.law16.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.5600); Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:59:00 -0800 Received: from fatcity.UUCP (uucp@localhost)by newsfeed.cts.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with UUCP id NAA59309;Thu, 7 Nov 2002 13:58:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by fatcity.com (26-Feb-2001/v1.0g-b72/bab) via UUCP id 004FE57A; Thu, 07 Nov 2002 13:23:58 -0800 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Comment: Oracle RDBMS Community Forum X-Sender: Miller, Jay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Fat City Network Services, San Diego, California X-ListServer: v1.0g, build 72; ListGuru (c) 1996-2001 Bruce A. Bergman Precedence: bulk Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2002 21:59:00.0266 (UTC) FILETIME=[E0B940A0:01C286A8] You don't need to rebuild when a datafile is added. Once the recovery fails you just issue the create datafile command on the standby. Jay Miller -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:34 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 2k First off, your process is doing a lot of unnecessary work. Standby databases are available in 7.3.4. I believe that would be somewhat simpler than your current procedure. I haven't tried it though, so I could be wrong. Even with your current procedure, you don't need to copy all of the files, most of the time anyway. Build your standby database, put it in recovery mode, and just keep applying archive log files to it. You may need to rebuild when a datafile is added to a tablespace, not sure. In 8i, why not just use standby database? Jared Arif Khan (GWL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/05/2002 06:53 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k Hello We currently have two Identical servers (identical in terms of both Hardware and SW). We run Oracle 7.3.4.0 (Workgroup server) on Win NT 4 on both the servers. We call them as Production Server and Stand by server. The Stand by server is passive in nature (i.e. does not do anything). Every night a batch process shuts down Oracle instance on both the machines and copies over all the files (Data, log, ctl etc) from Production Server to the Stand by server (Drive to drive, directory to directory...) In case the Production Server fails, we simply switch over the users (with a different alias to the stand by server) and they are back in business. Now, we are thinking of migrating to 8.1.7, however while trying to install this version, one needs to specify a Global name which I believe has to be unique on the network. So will the same process that I used to run (i.e. copy all files over from production to stand by ) work??? I guess both my servers will now have to have separate/unique Global Names. Is there any other approach that any of you can suggest??? TIA Arif -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Arif Khan (GWL) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Miller, Jay INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California--
Re: Re: Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k
Yechiel Adar, Use standby database, and you won't lost any transaction if your online redo log is there. To add a datafile, just add it in the standby database , no need to rebuild the standby database. Global name have nothing to do with standby, since you are on different nodes, even no need to use different sid and db_name, after your activate your standby database, just configure the IP that was on the production server to the new server and everything is ok. If you want to failover back to your production server after it is ready, you need to rebuild your standby database from the new production.(Though grace failover and failback is supported, it need some strict requirement). Good luck Regards zhu chao Eachnet DBA 86-21-32174588-667 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.happyit.net === 2002-11-05 09:03:00 ,you wrote£º=== Hello You did not write if you bring both databases on every night or the backup is down until needed. If it is down you have no problem. If you bring both up you can change the global name : Alter database rename global_name to backupdb; BTW - I am not sure that 8.1.7 need global_name=true. We are on 8.1.6 on NT and we do not use global names = true. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:53 PM Hello We currently have two Identical servers (identical in terms of both Hardware and SW). We run Oracle 7.3.4.0 (Workgroup server) on Win NT 4 on both the servers. We call them as Production Server and Stand by server. The Stand by server is passive in nature (i.e. does not do anything). Every night a batch process shuts down Oracle instance on both the machines and copies over all the files (Data, log, ctl etc) from Production Server to the Stand by server (Drive to drive, directory to directory...) In case the Production Server fails, we simply switch over the users (with a different alias to the stand by server) and they are back in business. Now, we are thinking of migrating to 8.1.7, however while trying to install this version, one needs to specify a Global name which I believe has to be unique on the network. So will the same process that I used to run (i.e. copy all files over from production to stand by ) work??? I guess both my servers will now have to have separate/unique Global Names. Is there any other approach that any of you can suggest??? TIA Arif -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Arif Khan (GWL) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Yechiel Adar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: chao_ping INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k
Hello You did not write if you bring both databases on every night or the backup is down until needed. If it is down you have no problem. If you bring both up you can change the global name : Alter database rename global_name to backupdb; BTW - I am not sure that 8.1.7 need global_name=true. We are on 8.1.6 on NT and we do not use global names = true. Yechiel Adar Mehish - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 4:53 PM Hello We currently have two Identical servers (identical in terms of both Hardware and SW). We run Oracle 7.3.4.0 (Workgroup server) on Win NT 4 on both the servers. We call them as Production Server and Stand by server. The Stand by server is passive in nature (i.e. does not do anything). Every night a batch process shuts down Oracle instance on both the machines and copies over all the files (Data, log, ctl etc) from Production Server to the Stand by server (Drive to drive, directory to directory...) In case the Production Server fails, we simply switch over the users (with a different alias to the stand by server) and they are back in business. Now, we are thinking of migrating to 8.1.7, however while trying to install this version, one needs to specify a Global name which I believe has to be unique on the network. So will the same process that I used to run (i.e. copy all files over from production to stand by ) work??? I guess both my servers will now have to have separate/unique Global Names. Is there any other approach that any of you can suggest??? TIA Arif -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Arif Khan (GWL) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Yechiel Adar INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k
First off, your process is doing a lot of unnecessary work. Standby databases are available in 7.3.4. I believe that would be somewhat simpler than your current procedure. I haven't tried it though, so I could be wrong. Even with your current procedure, you don't need to copy all of the files, most of the time anyway. Build your standby database, put it in recovery mode, and just keep applying archive log files to it. You may need to rebuild when a datafile is added to a tablespace, not sure. In 8i, why not just use standby database? Jared Arif Khan (GWL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/05/2002 06:53 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k Hello We currently have two Identical servers (identical in terms of both Hardware and SW). We run Oracle 7.3.4.0 (Workgroup server) on Win NT 4 on both the servers. We call them as Production Server and Stand by server. The Stand by server is passive in nature (i.e. does not do anything). Every night a batch process shuts down Oracle instance on both the machines and copies over all the files (Data, log, ctl etc) from Production Server to the Stand by server (Drive to drive, directory to directory...) In case the Production Server fails, we simply switch over the users (with a different alias to the stand by server) and they are back in business. Now, we are thinking of migrating to 8.1.7, however while trying to install this version, one needs to specify a Global name which I believe has to be unique on the network. So will the same process that I used to run (i.e. copy all files over from production to stand by ) work??? I guess both my servers will now have to have separate/unique Global Names. Is there any other approach that any of you can suggest??? TIA Arif -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Arif Khan (GWL) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k
Hello Jared If I run the database in Standby mode, once my production server fails, can the standby database be opened for users to make changes (i.e. read an write) and how do I accomplish that. Also, once my production server is back on line, how do you suggest I should synchronize the production server with he standby server database? Thanks Arif -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2k Importance: High First off, your process is doing a lot of unnecessary work. Standby databases are available in 7.3.4. I believe that would be somewhat simpler than your current procedure. I haven't tried it though, so I could be wrong. Even with your current procedure, you don't need to copy all of the files, most of the time anyway. Build your standby database, put it in recovery mode, and just keep applying archive log files to it. You may need to rebuild when a datafile is added to a tablespace, not sure. In 8i, why not just use standby database? Jared Arif Khan (GWL) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/05/2002 06:53 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k Hello We currently have two Identical servers (identical in terms of both Hardware and SW). We run Oracle 7.3.4.0 (Workgroup server) on Win NT 4 on both the servers. We call them as Production Server and Stand by server. The Stand by server is passive in nature (i.e. does not do anything). Every night a batch process shuts down Oracle instance on both the machines and copies over all the files (Data, log, ctl etc) from Production Server to the Stand by server (Drive to drive, directory to directory...) In case the Production Server fails, we simply switch over the users (with a different alias to the stand by server) and they are back in business. Now, we are thinking of migrating to 8.1.7, however while trying to install this version, one needs to specify a Global name which I believe has to be unique on the network. So will the same process that I used to run (i.e. copy all files over from production to stand by ) work??? I guess both my servers will now have to have separate/unique Global Names. Is there any other approach that any of you can suggest??? TIA Arif -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Arif Khan (GWL) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Arif Khan (GWL) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k
Hi Arif, Please read the article Note: 76373.1 on Metalink about Standby database. Regards, Quamrul Polash From: "Arif Khan (GWL)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2002 12:28:36 -0800 Hello Jared If I run the database in Standby mode, once my production server fails, can the standby database be opened for users to make changes (i.e. read an write) and how do I accomplish that. Also, once my production server is back on line, how do you suggest I should synchronize the production server with he standby server database? Thanks Arif -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 12:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2k Importance: High First off, your process is doing a lot of unnecessary work. Standby databases are available in 7.3.4. I believe that would be somewhat simpler than your current procedure. I haven't tried it though, so I could be wrong. Even with your current procedure, you don't need to copy all of the files, most of the time anyway. Build your standby database, put it in recovery mode, and just keep applying archive log files to it. You may need to rebuild when a datafile is added to a tablespace, not sure. In 8i, why not just use standby database? Jared "Arif Khan (GWL)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/05/2002 06:53 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject: Clone Production Server to Stand by Server on 8.1.7 on Win 2k Hello We currently have two Identical servers (identical in terms of both Hardware and SW). We run Oracle 7.3.4.0 (Workgroup server) on Win NT 4 on both the servers. We call them as Production Server and Stand by server. The Stand by server is passive in nature (i.e. does not do anything). Every night a batch process shuts down Oracle instance on both the machines and copies over all the files (Data, log, ctl etc) from Production Server to the Stand by server (Drive to drive, directory to directory...) In case the Production Server fails, we simply switch over the users (with a different alias to the stand by server) and they are back in business. Now, we are thinking of migrating to 8.1.7, however while trying to install this version, one needs to specify a Global name which I believe has to be unique on the network. So will the same process that I used to run (i.e. copy all files over from production to stand by ) work??? I guess both my servers will now have to have separate/unique Global Names. Is there any other approach that any of you can suggest??? TIA Arif -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Arif Khan (GWL) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Arif Khan (GWL) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! Click Here -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Quamrul Polash INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
