RE: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i - DONE
Thanks a lot to all who replied ! The upgrade issue is postponed by the customer ;-( Apparently they'll need to upgrade the O/S as well (they currently use Digital 4.0d , while the earliest version Oracle8i OPS is certified on is 4.0e, and 9i RAC is supported on 5.*). So , now the customer should decide whether or not they'd go for it. BTW , support is not an issue for them. The customer is the largest (and arguably the only) wireline telephone company in Israel and is the largest customer of Oracle Israel. Their support contract includes (among the rest) FREE upgrades , performed by Oracle consultants on site. DBAndrey * 03-9254520 * 058-548133 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 3:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Andrey, Playing Devil's advocate, the only valid reason I can think of is due to support issues. An unsupported version of Oracle is something of problem should you find new bugs. The platform it's on will no doubt leave it's support window at sometime in the future. If the customers are happy, how will they benefit from partitioning? I know there is an incredible array of new features available in 9i RAC that will enhance performance, but if the customers are happy they won't care. There may be other issues they have concerns about, such as security. Maybe they would like encryption built into the database? Or perhaps the Virtual Private Database is of interest to them? Why not check the new features list, and see if there are items there that would be beneficial the customer from a business perspective. As a fellow DBA, I can understand your point of view. But the $$ needs to be justified. Jared Andrey Bronfin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/19/2002 06:33 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i Dear gurus ! I know it's a "beaten to death horse", but... I want to convince a customer to upgrade their OPS 7.3.4 DB to an Oracle 8.1.7 OPS or even (in a best case for me) to Oracle9i RAC (don't even know whether or not one exists and is supported for Digital UNIX on EMC Symmetrix storage). I am sure this has been discussed 1000s of times here , but ... i need the arguments to convince them. I can't tell them "upgrade because 8.1.7 delivers better performance , availability etc...and 7.3.4 is outdated" , they simply won't buy it. They run that OPS 7.3.4 DB for several years now and are quite happy with it. I need to explain in details why they should invest in the upgrade. Now , the only real reason i can think of is partitioning . They will definetly benefit from it. I need more reasons. Thanks a lot in advance. DBAndrey * 03-9254520 * 058-548133 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Andrey Bronfin INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Andrey Bronfin INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
Yes ,that would be one of my favorite points , but the backup is done by EMC BCV split at the OS / storage level, i.e. this is not an argument too ;-( DBAndrey * 03-9254520 * 058-548133 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 6:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L And don't forget you can use rman with 8x. Ruth - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:28 AM > Not "completely unsupported" - plenty of old patches exist and can be > downloaded and applied. There's tons of support docs on solving issues aside > from applying patches. If the DB crashes (which doesn't happen often as the > databases are usually stable and the hardware unchanging) support will work > with you to get it back up. BUT if you do have to change hardware or OS, and > the DB doesn't work with it, you are SOL (and will get the song and dance > from support about only option is upgrade). > Many companies are unwilling to invest the money, time and effort to upgrade > the DB and application for a stable system, unless they see a ROI that isn't > solely related to desupport of the DB. > > Other reasons to upgrade: ability to upgrade OS and hardware, tools that > only work on newer versions, index options (bitmap, etc.). > > Margaret > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:48 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i > > > > > > > > How about the fact > > > > You are completely unsupported by Oracle in that version. > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Murray, Margaret > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ruth Gramolini INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Andrey Bronfin INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
I'd suggest support. Issues I've seen are the hardware needs replacing, they don't make that size of hard drive any more, that version of the operating system doesn't support the new hard drives that are available. The new version of the operating system isn't supported by Oracle 7.3.4. The hard drive doesn't have to fail for this one by the way you can just run out of disk space the effect is much the same. Remember if you need to do a fancy restore you need more disk space. The developers upgraded their tools and they no longer have the tools to maintain the old system. The hot backup software product no longer offers complete support for that version of the database. That one was a nice one, it wasn't an Oracle database but we really did need to do a restore following a RAID failure and their technical support took the line if the database company no longer fully supports that version then we cannot help you. We figured a way round it eventually but there were a few nervous moments. How do you do you backups? On tape? What happens if your tape drive dies? Do you have another exactly the same model that you can do the restore to? I've seen cases where being able to get the restore back from an old type of media has been an issue. How old are your tapes? They do experience higher failure rates the older they get. Again the newer drives are not supported under the old version of the operating system etc. Skill sets, Oracle training under 7.3.4 is no longer available from Oracle. It's a lot easier to move to a new system when the old one is still running. If they are really into costs, then use something like Gartner Group costing on the server. I think you'll find that Support costs are one of the highest costs. Internally we reckon it costs about $20,000 Can a year to keep a server going. That's a Compaq Windows 2000 server. The Unix servers we think cost more. Given the capital costs involved it makes sense to replace the servers every three years these days that way its under warranty from the moment it arrives until the moment it leaves. Also see what their down time costs are. I had one client who had a 100 people entering data on a server. He was concerned about the cost of a new server until he saw what a day's worth of down time would cost him. Use that argument if they want to go Brand X as well rather than a Compaq or SUN type of quality box. Another angle is their current support contract on their server. I've seen cases where the annual 7 by 24 support costs where more expensive than replacing the server with a 3 year 7 by 24 warranty. If your organisation is moving towards a SAN that can often generate its own pressures to upgrade. In general we have had good experiences in performance improvements and reliability going SAN. Central tape silos help as well, normally they have multiple drives and support contracts so if a drive fails they just carry on albeit a bit slower. Software costs. This one sounds dumb but we had a 4 cpu server with slow cpus, add up the megahertz. In our case a new server with a single cpu was available with a higher megahertz than the old one had with the 4 cpus added together. The savings from a 4 cpu licence to a single CPU licence were substantial, more than enough to pay for a new server. Yes I know that databases don't usually bottleneck on the cpu but quite often you'll find multiple cpu servers running databases where the person who specified the server didn't understand what a database server needs for performance. Finally we had a large database load that took forever and could only be done on the weekend. The client was amazed that it was so much faster on the new version of the software / server could now be done overnight. That meant they could implement some business changes / improvements. Cheerio John -Original Message- Sent: August 19, 2002 9:33 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear gurus ! I know it's a "beaten to death horse", but... I want to convince a customer to upgrade their OPS 7.3.4 DB to an Oracle 8.1.7 OPS or even (in a best case for me) to Oracle9i RAC (don't even know whether or not one exists and is supported for Digital UNIX on EMC Symmetrix storage). I am sure this has been discussed 1000s of times here , but ... i need the arguments to convince them. I can't tell them "upgrade because 8.1.7 delivers better performance , availability etc...and 7.3.4 is outdated" , they simply won't buy it. They run that OPS 7.3.4 DB for several years now and are quite happy with it. I need to explain in details why they should invest in the upgrade. Now , the only real reason i can think of is partitioning . They will definetly benefit from it. I need more reasons. Thanks a lot in advance. DBAndrey * 03-9254520 * 058-548133 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Andrey Bronfin INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fa
Re: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
And don't forget you can use rman with 8x. Ruth - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 11:28 AM > Not "completely unsupported" - plenty of old patches exist and can be > downloaded and applied. There's tons of support docs on solving issues aside > from applying patches. If the DB crashes (which doesn't happen often as the > databases are usually stable and the hardware unchanging) support will work > with you to get it back up. BUT if you do have to change hardware or OS, and > the DB doesn't work with it, you are SOL (and will get the song and dance > from support about only option is upgrade). > Many companies are unwilling to invest the money, time and effort to upgrade > the DB and application for a stable system, unless they see a ROI that isn't > solely related to desupport of the DB. > > Other reasons to upgrade: ability to upgrade OS and hardware, tools that > only work on newer versions, index options (bitmap, etc.). > > Margaret > > > > -Original Message- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:48 AM > > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > > Subject: RE: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i > > > > > > > > How about the fact > > > > You are completely unsupported by Oracle in that version. > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Murray, Margaret > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ruth Gramolini INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
I would say the same thing, but "unsupported" generally means that new patches aren't being produced, period. It doesn't mean "we won't answer the phone" or "we won't respond in TAR". If they're paying for support, then Oracle has to provide support... They are holding a pretty unassailable position. I'm sure that they have *lots* of experience with the realities of OPS if they have come to a stable state with Oracle7.3 OPS. After all, it is simply not possible that they installed it "out of the box" to achieve this state... :-) So, arguing in favor of an upgrade has to provide tangible benefits to outweight the quite tangible risks of upgrading. They know (better than most) that such an upgrade might require months of stabilization and simply getting familiar with all of the "quirks" of the new software. Yes, they *might* get performance benefits from the newer software, but as I comment to Oracle OPS Development during a similar debate, "zero MIPS from downtime is about as bad as it gets"... Going back to the original point, if their environment isn't changing at all, then they would be simply foolish to change an important component like the RDBMS, for any reason. But if anything is changing (i.e. application software, OS software, hardware, application workload), then they might eventually find themselves in a position where being in a "supported" configuration might be crucial. If other components in the environment are in flux, then inevitably they should expect to find themselves in need of being "supported" by their vendor. Having said that, I know of at least one major telecom-equipment company still using components of Oracle v6 (i.e. remember SQL*Connect?) quite happily with their mainframe-based applications. Just takes a cold hard look at your priorities and consequences, and understanding what phrases like "unsupported" really means when you're paying hundreds of thousands of dollars for support annually... - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 8:08 AM > Did you try telling them that 7.3.4 is not supported > by Oracle anymore and they shouldn't be running an > important database on an unsupported version? > > Gene > --- Andrey Bronfin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Dear gurus ! > > I know it's a "beaten to death horse", but... > > I want to convince a customer to upgrade their OPS > > 7.3.4 DB to an Oracle > > 8.1.7 OPS or even (in a best case for me) to > > Oracle9i RAC (don't even know > > whether or not one exists and is supported for > > Digital UNIX on EMC Symmetrix > > storage). > > I am sure this has been discussed 1000s of times > > here , but ... i need the > > arguments to convince them. > > I can't tell them "upgrade because 8.1.7 delivers > > better performance , > > availability etc...and 7.3.4 is outdated" , they > > simply won't buy it. > > They run that OPS 7.3.4 DB for several years now and > > are quite happy with > > it. > > I need to explain in details why they should invest > > in the upgrade. > > Now , the only real reason i can think of is > > partitioning . They will > > definetly benefit from it. > > I need more reasons. > > Thanks a lot in advance. > > > > > > DBAndrey > > > > * 03-9254520 > > * 058-548133 > > * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > > http://www.orafaq.com > > -- > > Author: Andrey Bronfin > > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > > (858) 538-5051 > > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > > access / Mailing Lists > > > > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > > E-Mail message > > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > > 'ListGuru') and in > > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > > ORACLE-L > > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > > from). You may > > also send the HELP command for other information > > (like subscribing). > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs > http://www.hotjobs.com > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Gurelei > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Tim Gorman INE
RE: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
Not "completely unsupported" - plenty of old patches exist and can be downloaded and applied. There's tons of support docs on solving issues aside from applying patches. If the DB crashes (which doesn't happen often as the databases are usually stable and the hardware unchanging) support will work with you to get it back up. BUT if you do have to change hardware or OS, and the DB doesn't work with it, you are SOL (and will get the song and dance from support about only option is upgrade). Many companies are unwilling to invest the money, time and effort to upgrade the DB and application for a stable system, unless they see a ROI that isn't solely related to desupport of the DB. Other reasons to upgrade: ability to upgrade OS and hardware, tools that only work on newer versions, index options (bitmap, etc.). Margaret > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 10:48 AM > To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L > Subject: RE: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i > > > > How about the fact > > You are completely unsupported by Oracle in that version. > -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Murray, Margaret INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
It doesn't matter that Oracle no longer supports 7.3.4 and any changes in hardware/OS/etc may force an upgrade? Extended Maintenance Support ends at the end of 2002, so that's it for bug fixes (I wonder if that includes security patches?). Certification with supported products, newer OS versions or new compilers stopped in December 2000. We cycle our servers out every 3-5 years, so I routinely keep my systems up to date in anticipation of server changes - especially OS changes since they happen a couple of times over the life of a server. Glenn Stauffer On Mon, 2002-08-19 at 09:33, Andrey Bronfin wrote: > Dear gurus ! > I can't tell them "upgrade because 8.1.7 delivers better performance , > availability etc...and 7.3.4 is outdated" , they simply won't buy it. > They run that OPS 7.3.4 DB for several years now and are quite happy with > it. > I need to explain in details why they should invest in the upgrade. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Glenn Stauffer INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
Andrey, Playing Devil's advocate, the only valid reason I can think of is due to support issues. An unsupported version of Oracle is something of problem should you find new bugs. The platform it's on will no doubt leave it's support window at sometime in the future. If the customers are happy, how will they benefit from partitioning? I know there is an incredible array of new features available in 9i RAC that will enhance performance, but if the customers are happy they won't care. There may be other issues they have concerns about, such as security. Maybe they would like encryption built into the database? Or perhaps the Virtual Private Database is of interest to them? Why not check the new features list, and see if there are items there that would be beneficial the customer from a business perspective. As a fellow DBA, I can understand your point of view. But the $$ needs to be justified. Jared Andrey Bronfin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/19/2002 06:33 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cc: Subject:Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i Dear gurus ! I know it's a "beaten to death horse", but... I want to convince a customer to upgrade their OPS 7.3.4 DB to an Oracle 8.1.7 OPS or even (in a best case for me) to Oracle9i RAC (don't even know whether or not one exists and is supported for Digital UNIX on EMC Symmetrix storage). I am sure this has been discussed 1000s of times here , but ... i need the arguments to convince them. I can't tell them "upgrade because 8.1.7 delivers better performance , availability etc...and 7.3.4 is outdated" , they simply won't buy it. They run that OPS 7.3.4 DB for several years now and are quite happy with it. I need to explain in details why they should invest in the upgrade. Now , the only real reason i can think of is partitioning . They will definetly benefit from it. I need more reasons. Thanks a lot in advance. DBAndrey * 03-9254520 * 058-548133 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Andrey Bronfin INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
Did you try telling them that 7.3.4 is not supported by Oracle anymore and they shouldn't be running an important database on an unsupported version? Gene --- Andrey Bronfin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dear gurus ! > I know it's a "beaten to death horse", but... > I want to convince a customer to upgrade their OPS > 7.3.4 DB to an Oracle > 8.1.7 OPS or even (in a best case for me) to > Oracle9i RAC (don't even know > whether or not one exists and is supported for > Digital UNIX on EMC Symmetrix > storage). > I am sure this has been discussed 1000s of times > here , but ... i need the > arguments to convince them. > I can't tell them "upgrade because 8.1.7 delivers > better performance , > availability etc...and 7.3.4 is outdated" , they > simply won't buy it. > They run that OPS 7.3.4 DB for several years now and > are quite happy with > it. > I need to explain in details why they should invest > in the upgrade. > Now , the only real reason i can think of is > partitioning . They will > definetly benefit from it. > I need more reasons. > Thanks a lot in advance. > > > DBAndrey > > * 03-9254520 > * 058-548133 > * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > -- > Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: > http://www.orafaq.com > -- > Author: Andrey Bronfin > INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: > (858) 538-5051 > San Diego, California-- Public Internet > access / Mailing Lists > > To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an > E-Mail message > to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of > 'ListGuru') and in > the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB > ORACLE-L > (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed > from). You may > also send the HELP command for other information > (like subscribing). __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gurelei INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
How about the fact
You are completely unsupported by Oracle in that version.
"Simplicio Noronha,
Savio" To: Multiple recipients of list
ORACLE-L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: Reasons to upgrade
from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
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Please respond to
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What about
1) OOP support
2) Java support
Regards
Savio
-Original Message-
Sent: Montag, 19. August 2002 15:33
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
Dear gurus !
I know it's a "beaten to death horse", but...
I want to convince a customer to upgrade their OPS 7.3.4 DB to an Oracle
8.1.7 OPS or even (in a best case for me) to Oracle9i RAC (don't even know
whether or not one exists and is supported for Digital UNIX on EMC
Symmetrix
storage).
I am sure this has been discussed 1000s of times here , but ... i need the
arguments to convince them.
I can't tell them "upgrade because 8.1.7 delivers better performance ,
availability etc...and 7.3.4 is outdated" , they simply won't buy it.
They run that OPS 7.3.4 DB for several years now and are quite happy with
it.
I need to explain in details why they should invest in the upgrade.
Now , the only real reason i can think of is partitioning . They will
definetly benefit from it.
I need more reasons.
Thanks a lot in advance.
DBAndrey
* 03-9254520
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RE: Reasons to upgrade from Oracle 7.3.4 to 8i
What about 1) OOP support 2) Java support Regards Savio -Original Message- Sent: Montag, 19. August 2002 15:33 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear gurus ! I know it's a "beaten to death horse", but... I want to convince a customer to upgrade their OPS 7.3.4 DB to an Oracle 8.1.7 OPS or even (in a best case for me) to Oracle9i RAC (don't even know whether or not one exists and is supported for Digital UNIX on EMC Symmetrix storage). I am sure this has been discussed 1000s of times here , but ... i need the arguments to convince them. I can't tell them "upgrade because 8.1.7 delivers better performance , availability etc...and 7.3.4 is outdated" , they simply won't buy it. They run that OPS 7.3.4 DB for several years now and are quite happy with it. I need to explain in details why they should invest in the upgrade. Now , the only real reason i can think of is partitioning . They will definetly benefit from it. I need more reasons. Thanks a lot in advance. DBAndrey * 03-9254520 * 058-548133 * mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Andrey Bronfin INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Simplicio Noronha, Savio INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
