Re: Re: SUN vs. HP
C.S.Venkata Subramanian" scribbled with glittering crayon : I have been working with Oracle under HP, I find HP server with high fault toulerence and reliable. If we tune the OS and DB then we can get maximum performance. I can vouch for that . I have been working with HP for more than 5 years and I find it very reliable and efficient OS . One word of caution is that, if u use Mc Servicegaurd then u shud go for OPS. Which works for only on RAW partitions. Administration will not be a easy job. Not necessarily . You can use it for single instance more easily . MCSG is just a set of shell scripts allowing you to escape from hardware failure of MACHINES...not the storage unit . The conf. is 2 machines configured to recognize same mount points from the storage unit . So setup should be done carefully like the ORACLE user id and Group id's should be same on both machines . Instead go for AutoRAID box which HP has got. It converts itself bet RAID5 and RAID1/0. CAREFULL...!! This depends . Decision of using AUTORAID should be taken after carefull thought . The AR is a "BlackBox" ...literally . HP refuses to divulge any info on that . But this much is known from experience : AR starts off with RAID1 and as you put more data into it at one point when AR decides to go for RAID5 , all the applications will run into stonewall because AR is busy converting itself into RAID5 and will not process any IO requests..!!! RS __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Raj Sakthi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: SUN vs. HP
Hi man, thanks for the more info u gave. -- On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:02:10 Raj Sakthi wrote: C.S.Venkata Subramanian" scribbled with glittering crayon : I have been working with Oracle under HP, I find HP server with high fault toulerence and reliable. If we tune the OS and DB then we can get maximum performance. I can vouch for that . I have been working with HP for more than 5 years and I find it very reliable and efficient OS . One word of caution is that, if u use Mc Servicegaurd then u shud go for OPS. Which works for only on RAW partitions. Administration will not be a easy job. Not necessarily . You can use it for single instance more easily . MCSG is just a set of shell scripts allowing you to escape from hardware failure of MACHINES...not the storage unit . The conf. is 2 machines configured to recognize same mount points from the storage unit . So setup should be done carefully like the ORACLE user id and Group id's should be same on both machines . Instead go for AutoRAID box which HP has got. It converts itself bet RAID5 and RAID1/0. CAREFULL...!! This depends . Decision of using AUTORAID should be taken after carefull thought . The AR is a "BlackBox" ...literally . HP refuses to divulge any info on that . But this much is known from experience : AR starts off with RAID1 and as you put more data into it at one point when AR decides to go for RAID5 , all the applications will run into stonewall because AR is busy converting itself into RAID5 and will not process any IO requests..!!! RS __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Raj Sakthi INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: C.S.Venkata Subramanian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: SUN vs. HP
HP at version 10 and better is yet another SYSVR4 system. From a users or programmers point of view it is very generic. Service Guard is HP fault tolerant solution where two boxes share disk and if one node fails the other can take over. It is fairly complex and requires a good UNIX sysadmin. Oracle runs well in this environment. Allan - Original Message - To: "Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:20 PM HI.. can someone please tell me a 'bit more' about HP does it follow the 'basic tenets' of UNIX or is it a 'freak deviant' version of UNIX (like AIX!!!).. For starters what is service guard please? is it a cluster software? or RAID software to handle disk boxes? How 'different' is HP unix from Solaris? (both from a DBA's point of view and sys admin's point of view)! Thanks - Original Message -- "C.S.Venkata Subramanian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] From:"C.S.Venkata Subramanian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:16:34 -0800 Subject:Re: SUN vs. HP I have been working with Oracle under HP, I find HP server with high fault toulerence and reliable. If we tune the OS and DB then we can get maximum performance. One word of caution is that, if u use Mc Servicegaurd then u shud go for OPS. Which works for only on RAW partitions. Administration will not be a easy job. Instead go for AutoRAID box which HP has got. It converts itself bet RAID5 and RAID1/0. My recomendation will be for RAID10, where u have disk mirroring,stripping and protection for Data and better performance. I have not worked with SUN. But i have heard that the native code,compilation and testing of oracle is in the SUN OS. But HP is also a good OS. H/w is slightly costlier in HP. -- On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:31:59 Alex Apostolopoulos wrote: Hi, we are currently in the process of evaluating a high availiability cluster for our production database. The final two solutions are: SunCluster 2x420R 2Gig 2x450Mhz Storage 100Gig Hewlett Packard MC ServiceGuard 2xL-Class 2x440Mhz 2Gig Storage VA 7100 100Gig Based on our criterias (scalability, performance, TCO, price, reliability, support, in house experience ...) it looks like a dead race... Any suggestions or thoughts would be help full cheers alex -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alex Apostolopoulos INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: C.S.Venkata Subramanian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at http://bol.rediff.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cyril Thankappan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Allan Nelson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
Re:RE: Re[2]: Re: SUN vs. HP
So what's wrong with a good oxymoron once in a while? Reply Separator Author: "Steve Orr" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/21/2001 3:11 PM "pure Unix" Now there's an oxymoron if there ever was one! :-) -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 2:37 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L HP-UX is the most close to pure Unix I've seen in some time. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Steve Orr INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: SUN vs. HP
Why should you use OPS if you are using ServiceGuard? We are not here and I have not come up with a single reason to. If you have some I should relook at it. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 8:17 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I have been working with Oracle under HP, I find HP server with high fault toulerence and reliable. If we tune the OS and DB then we can get maximum performance. One word of caution is that, if u use Mc Servicegaurd then u shud go for OPS. Which works for only on RAW partitions. Administration will not be a easy job. Instead go for AutoRAID box which HP has got. It converts itself bet RAID5 and RAID1/0. My recomendation will be for RAID10, where u have disk mirroring,stripping and protection for Data and better performance. I have not worked with SUN. But i have heard that the native code,compilation and testing of oracle is in the SUN OS. But HP is also a good OS. H/w is slightly costlier in HP. -- On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:31:59 Alex Apostolopoulos wrote: Hi, we are currently in the process of evaluating a high availiability cluster for our production database. The final two solutions are: SunCluster 2x420R 2Gig 2x450Mhz Storage 100Gig Hewlett Packard MC ServiceGuard 2xL-Class 2x440Mhz 2Gig Storage VA 7100 100Gig Based on our criterias (scalability, performance, TCO, price, reliability, support, in house experience ...) it looks like a dead race... Any suggestions or thoughts would be help full cheers alex -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alex Apostolopoulos INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: C.S.Venkata Subramanian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Re: SUN vs. HP
HI.. can someone please tell me a 'bit more' about HP does it follow the 'basic tenets' of UNIX or is it a 'freak deviant' version of UNIX (like AIX!!!).. For starters what is service guard please? is it a cluster software? or RAID software to handle disk boxes? How 'different' is HP unix from Solaris? (both from a DBA's point of view and sys admin's point of view)! Thanks - Original Message -- "C.S.Venkata Subramanian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] From:"C.S.Venkata Subramanian" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:Tue, 20 Mar 2001 20:16:34 -0800 Subject:Re: SUN vs. HP I have been working with Oracle under HP, I find HP server with high fault toulerence and reliable. If we tune the OS and DB then we can get maximum performance. One word of caution is that, if u use Mc Servicegaurd then u shud go for OPS. Which works for only on RAW partitions. Administration will not be a easy job. Instead go for AutoRAID box which HP has got. It converts itself bet RAID5 and RAID1/0. My recomendation will be for RAID10, where u have disk mirroring,stripping and protection for Data and better performance. I have not worked with SUN. But i have heard that the native code,compilation and testing of oracle is in the SUN OS. But HP is also a good OS. H/w is slightly costlier in HP. -- On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:31:59 Alex Apostolopoulos wrote: Hi, we are currently in the process of evaluating a high availiability cluster for our production database. The final two solutions are: SunCluster 2x420R 2Gig 2x450Mhz Storage 100Gig Hewlett Packard MC ServiceGuard 2xL-Class 2x440Mhz 2Gig Storage VA 7100 100Gig Based on our criterias (scalability, performance, TCO, price, reliability, support, in house experience ...) it looks like a dead race... Any suggestions or thoughts would be help full cheers alex -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alex Apostolopoulos INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: C.S.Venkata Subramanian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Chat with your friends as soon as they come online. Get Rediff Bol at http://bol.rediff.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cyril Thankappan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: SUN vs. HP
I have no experience with the Sun cluster but I do have experience with the HP ServiceGuard as its what we run here. We have even had it fail. We do have a Sun server here with a database on it and although I like the server and have no complaints I am much happier with HP. There are just little things that drive me crazy on the Sun side. If you have any specific questions on the HP side though them out. If I don't know the answer the sys. admin. team is in the cube beside me. I do know that they are happy with support from both companies, which is very important. -Original Message- Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 10:32 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi, we are currently in the process of evaluating a high availiability cluster for our production database. The final two solutions are: SunCluster 2x420R 2Gig 2x450Mhz Storage 100Gig Hewlett Packard MC ServiceGuard 2xL-Class 2x440Mhz 2Gig Storage VA 7100 100Gig Based on our criterias (scalability, performance, TCO, price, reliability, support, in house experience ...) it looks like a dead race... Any suggestions or thoughts would be help full cheers alex -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alex Apostolopoulos INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kimberly Smith INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: SUN vs. HP
Check the numbers again, especially the software. Having done the same study 1.5 yrs ago, HP was a little more expensive in the HW but much cheaper in SW. Reason being Sun uses Veritas Trusted Cluster (expensive $100k) for HA and HP uses MCServiceguard. I've worked 5 yrs w/ Sun and 1.5 yrs w/ HP equipment. They were both good, but if I had to choose, HP gave you many more tools whereas w/ Sun you buy everything. My last flavor of unix to conquer is IBM AIX. They do it differently also. For that matter, so did DEC OSF/1, now Compaq Tru64 unix (hard to say compaq unix). Just my $.02. Gene Sais PS. Lets not forget OpenVMS, dam good OS! [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/20/01 01:31PM Hi, we are currently in the process of evaluating a high availiability cluster for our production database. The final two solutions are: SunCluster 2x420R 2Gig 2x450Mhz Storage 100Gig Hewlett Packard MC ServiceGuard 2xL-Class 2x440Mhz 2Gig Storage VA 7100 100Gig Based on our criterias (scalability, performance, TCO, price, reliability, support, in house experience ...) it looks like a dead race... Any suggestions or thoughts would be help full cheers alex -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alex Apostolopoulos INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: SUN vs. HP
You will get patches and new versions of software sooner on Solaris than you will on HP. Jared On Tue, 20 Mar 2001, Alex Apostolopoulos wrote: Hi, we are currently in the process of evaluating a high availiability cluster for our production database. The final two solutions are: SunCluster 2x420R 2Gig 2x450Mhz Storage 100Gig Hewlett Packard MC ServiceGuard 2xL-Class 2x440Mhz 2Gig Storage VA 7100 100Gig Based on our criterias (scalability, performance, TCO, price, reliability, support, in house experience ...) it looks like a dead race... Any suggestions or thoughts would be help full cheers alex -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alex Apostolopoulos INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: SUN vs. HP
I have been working with Oracle under HP, I find HP server with high fault toulerence and reliable. If we tune the OS and DB then we can get maximum performance. One word of caution is that, if u use Mc Servicegaurd then u shud go for OPS. Which works for only on RAW partitions. Administration will not be a easy job. Instead go for AutoRAID box which HP has got. It converts itself bet RAID5 and RAID1/0. My recomendation will be for RAID10, where u have disk mirroring,stripping and protection for Data and better performance. I have not worked with SUN. But i have heard that the native code,compilation and testing of oracle is in the SUN OS. But HP is also a good OS. H/w is slightly costlier in HP. -- On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:31:59 Alex Apostolopoulos wrote: Hi, we are currently in the process of evaluating a high availiability cluster for our production database. The final two solutions are: SunCluster 2x420R 2Gig 2x450Mhz Storage 100Gig Hewlett Packard MC ServiceGuard 2xL-Class 2x440Mhz 2Gig Storage VA 7100 100Gig Based on our criterias (scalability, performance, TCO, price, reliability, support, in house experience ...) it looks like a dead race... Any suggestions or thoughts would be help full cheers alex -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Alex Apostolopoulos INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). Get 250 color business cards for FREE! at Lycos Mail http://mail.lycos.com/freemail/vistaprint_index.html -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: C.S.Venkata Subramanian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
