Re: Solaris 8 Question
This happened to me today: Solaris 5.8 we have a large data load exercise going on and the archive log directory filled - database stopped of course. but after I had moved all the archive logs to another location the system still hung - I tried manual switching of log file ,still hung. I had to stop and start instance - I was surprised. did I miss something ? sam - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:15 PM If it's / or /tmp, then yes, your machine could well become unusable until it gets some free space. If your archive log disk fills, Oracle will refuse transactions until there is free space. Read the man page for 'quota' to help you limit the possibility of this. And think about switching autoextend off. Cheers, g -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, A friend of mine is having a problem so I thought I would ask all of you experts a quick question. On a Solaris 8 box running 8.1.7, if a partition fills up, will it crash the box? I know that on NT this is very possible depending on pagefile and what file is filling up the partition. But I don't know anything about Sun. Thanks alot:) Sincerely, Kevin Kostyszyn DBA Dulcian, Inc www.dulcian.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Guy Hammond INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sam Roberts INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Solaris 8 Question
Sam, you may find that you need to issue archive log stop and archive log start to force the database to start archiving again. Once it's failed to archive a log it seems to lose heart and give up until you nudge it. Ironically the ARCHIVER will keep writing to the alert log to say that it's still trying. But it isn't. No doubt it's a feature. I've seen this on AIX, HP, Solaris, you name it. Regards, Mike Hately |+ || Sam Roberts | || rabbit@emirat| || es.net.ae| ||| || 07/24/01 04:05| || PM| || Please respond| || to ORACLE-L | ||| |+ | || | To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | cc: (bcc: Mike Hately/ETECH) | | Subject: Re: Solaris 8 Question | | This happened to me today: Solaris 5.8 we have a large data load exercise going on and the archive log directory filled - database stopped of course. but after I had moved all the archive logs to another location the system still hung - I tried manual switching of log file ,still hung. I had to stop and start instance - I was surprised. did I miss something ? sam -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Solaris 8 Question
You should try to query the archive destination select * from v$archive_dest see if it says ERROR And do alter system archive log stop followed by alter system archive log start This will fix the broken archive process. Richard Ji [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/24/01 11:05AM This happened to me today: Solaris 5.8 we have a large data load exercise going on and the archive log directory filled - database stopped of course. but after I had moved all the archive logs to another location the system still hung - I tried manual switching of log file ,still hung. I had to stop and start instance - I was surprised. did I miss something ? sam - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 20, 2001 2:15 PM If it's / or /tmp, then yes, your machine could well become unusable until it gets some free space. If your archive log disk fills, Oracle will refuse transactions until there is free space. Read the man page for 'quota' to help you limit the possibility of this. And think about switching autoextend off. Cheers, g -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, A friend of mine is having a problem so I thought I would ask all of you experts a quick question. On a Solaris 8 box running 8.1.7, if a partition fills up, will it crash the box? I know that on NT this is very possible depending on pagefile and what file is filling up the partition. But I don't know anything about Sun. Thanks alot:) Sincerely, Kevin Kostyszyn DBA Dulcian, Inc www.dulcian.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Guy Hammond INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sam Roberts INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Solaris 8 Question
If it's / or /tmp, then yes, your machine could well become unusable until it gets some free space. If your archive log disk fills, Oracle will refuse transactions until there is free space. Read the man page for 'quota' to help you limit the possibility of this. And think about switching autoextend off. Cheers, g -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 4:10 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi all, A friend of mine is having a problem so I thought I would ask all of you experts a quick question. On a Solaris 8 box running 8.1.7, if a partition fills up, will it crash the box? I know that on NT this is very possible depending on pagefile and what file is filling up the partition. But I don't know anything about Sun. Thanks alot:) Sincerely, Kevin Kostyszyn DBA Dulcian, Inc www.dulcian.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Guy Hammond INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Solaris 8 Question
Kevin Kostyszyn wrote: Hi all, A friend of mine is having a problem so I thought I would ask all of you experts a quick question. On a Solaris 8 box running 8.1.7, if a partition fills up, will it crash the box? I know that on NT this is very possible a disk partition or a tablespace partition? i don't think either will crash the box, but they both will cause oracle problems. -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ If a program is useful, it must be changed. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Solaris 8 Question
Shrek, It's a disk partition. KK -Original Message- William Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Kevin Kostyszyn wrote: Hi all, A friend of mine is having a problem so I thought I would ask all of you experts a quick question. On a Solaris 8 box running 8.1.7, if a partition fills up, will it crash the box? I know that on NT this is very possible a disk partition or a tablespace partition? i don't think either will crash the box, but they both will cause oracle problems. -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ If a program is useful, it must be changed. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Solaris 8 Question
It depends. If a root partition fills up then it could crash the box. Otherwise, if it's for the database, it might crash the database depends on what's on that partition. HTH Richard Ji -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kevin Kostyszyn wrote: Hi all, A friend of mine is having a problem so I thought I would ask all of you experts a quick question. On a Solaris 8 box running 8.1.7, if a partition fills up, will it crash the box? I know that on NT this is very possible a disk partition or a tablespace partition? i don't think either will crash the box, but they both will cause oracle problems. Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ If a program is useful, it must be changed. Please see the official ORACLE L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services (858) 538 5051 FAX: (858) 538 5051 San Diego, California Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Richard Ji INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Solaris 8 Question
If Database will be running in archived log mode then in most cases oracle db crash otherwise Database operation will hang up and user will not able to enter any transaction. -Seema From: Thater, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Solaris 8 Question Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:55:25 -0800 Kevin Kostyszyn wrote: Hi all, A friend of mine is having a problem so I thought I would ask all of you experts a quick question. On a Solaris 8 box running 8.1.7, if a partition fills up, will it crash the box? I know that on NT this is very possible a disk partition or a tablespace partition? i don't think either will crash the box, but they both will cause oracle problems. -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc.[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ If a program is useful, it must be changed. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Solaris 8 Question
Kevin Kostyszyn wrote: Shrek, It's a disk partition. KK OK, if the partition hits 100% then nothing can get written to the disk. if it has something like /var/temp on it that's bad. but i've had them hit 100% with datafiles on them and the database keep going because of the way oracle writes out it's datafiles. not sure of the details, but it looks to the OS like it's a full file even if it has empty blocks in it. if the disk doesn't have anything critical on it, the the box just gives out errors and keeps going. -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc[EMAIL PROTECTED] You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Solaris 8 Question
Interesting, sort of the same thing that happens on NT. Anyway, I am not sure what is going on at their shop. Seemingly everything is running fine, DB, OS, DB in archive log mode, then when they shut it down to do a cold back up the machine takes a big crap on itself. I don't know anything about Sun Solaris or the hardware that they run on, but my guess is that it's an OS installation problem considering that it's a pretty fresh intall. KK -Original Message- William Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 2:36 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Kevin Kostyszyn wrote: Shrek, It's a disk partition. KK OK, if the partition hits 100% then nothing can get written to the disk. if it has something like /var/temp on it that's bad. but i've had them hit 100% with datafiles on them and the database keep going because of the way oracle writes out it's datafiles. not sure of the details, but it looks to the OS like it's a full file even if it has empty blocks in it. if the disk doesn't have anything critical on it, the the box just gives out errors and keeps going. -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc[EMAIL PROTECTED] You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Kevin Kostyszyn INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Solaris 8 Question
Title: RE: Solaris 8 Question Seema you are describing a full arclog destination. That isn't a crash. It's just a hung state. Fixing this problem does not require any sort of recovery. It is easy to get out of this situation gracefully. Lisa Koivu Seat Warmer Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA -Original Message- From: Seema Singh [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 1:30 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Re: Solaris 8 Question If Database will be running in archived log mode then in most cases oracle db crash otherwise Database operation will hang up and user will not able to enter any transaction. -Seema From: Thater, William [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Solaris 8 Question Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 07:55:25 -0800 Kevin Kostyszyn wrote: Hi all, A friend of mine is having a problem so I thought I would ask all of you experts a quick question. On a Solaris 8 box running 8.1.7, if a partition fills up, will it crash the box? I know that on NT this is very possible a disk partition or a tablespace partition? i don't think either will crash the box, but they both will cause oracle problems. -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~ You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work. ~~ If a program is useful, it must be changed. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Seema Singh INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California -- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Solaris 8 Question
Usually on a Unix system when the file system is created, there is a small percentage of space reserved for the root. The disk will fill up and could still function because of the space reserved for root. If not taken care of right away the full disk space could become a full physical disk and then all bets are off as to the results. ROR mª¿ªm [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/19/01 02:35PM Kevin Kostyszyn wrote: Shrek, It's a disk partition. KK OK, if the partition hits 100% then nothing can get written to the disk. if it has something like /var/temp on it that's bad. but i've had them hit 100% with datafiles on them and the database keep going because of the way oracle writes out it's datafiles. not sure of the details, but it looks to the OS like it's a full file even if it has empty blocks in it. if the disk doesn't have anything critical on it, the the box just gives out errors and keeps going. -- Bill Shrek Thater Certifiable ORACLE DBA Telergy, Inc[EMAIL PROTECTED] You gotta program like you don't need the money, You gotta compile like you'll never get hurt, You gotta run like there's nobody watching, It's gotta come from the heart if you want it to work! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Thater, William INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).