Re: Would you use 9i?
9i for sure... Lets face it - in 2 months time, a nice little alert will pop out on Metalink telling us how support on 8.1.7.2 is on the way out, and all customers are requested to upgade to 9 as they do with all the old releases... Connor --- Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 = Connor McDonald http://www.oracledba.co.uk (mirrored at http://www.oradba.freeserve.co.uk) Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Connor=20McDonald?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: Would you use 9i?
Title: Message Solaris, AIX, or HP-UX. I am bias to Solaris as I am acustom to it, but with the change in direction of Oracle, I am considering HP-UX, and due to the cost and performance benefits of AiX, I am also looking there. So in answer, I really don't know. I would like to say Sun but I don't think they would be my best choice. "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message-From: Sinardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:26 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: OT:RE: Would you use 9i? Hi Chris, What will be your OS ? Sinardy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher SpenceSent: Friday, 24 August 2001 3:44 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Would you use 9i? I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863
RE: Would you use 9i?
What I was planing on doing, is using as much flat 8.1.7 features, but take advantage of the 9i way of doing it. For example, 9i is faster in calls to sql from PLSQL, this will not effect my PLSQL code in one bit. The new OPS features, if I need to go to old OPS, won't need to change code. If there is something in 9i I find that I must use, then I will need to make a decision. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L you say that you will have 8.1.7 and 9i up during development, so that you will be able to move back to 8.1.7 should something (a bug?) crop up. Okay, are you planning on using no features in 9i that are not in 8.1.7? If so, great. If not, you would have to redevelop and rethink the direction to return to the 8.1.7 platform. next, you say that you are comfortable with the possible shakiness of 9i given that your development cycle will be a year and you believe that it will be solid by then. But what if you have to code in work-arounds during that shakedown time? Are you planning on flagging those and going back and fixing the code once the problem has been resolved in 9i? I would be happier to do this sort of development cycle within a major release. I.e., develop on 9.1 and fall back to a stable 9.0.1 rather than cross such major boundaries. Unless I was not taking advantage of new features. My $0.02 Rachel From: Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Would you use 9i? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:43:45 -0800 I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: RE: Would you use 9i?
i think AIX is still the redheaded, 2nd class stepchild when versions come out. I mean 9i for linux came out before AIX. joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/24/01 12:02PM Solaris, AIX, or HP-UX. I am bias to Solaris as I am acustom to it, but with the change in direction of Oracle, I am considering HP-UX, and due to the cost and performance benefits of AiX, I am also looking there. So in answer, I really don't know. I would like to say Sun but I don't think they would be my best choice. "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message-From: Sinardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:26 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: OT:RE: Would you use 9i? Hi Chris, What will be your OS ? Sinardy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher SpenceSent: Friday, 24 August 2001 3:44 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Would you use 9i? I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863
RE: RE: Would you use 9i?
Having worked on all 3: Solaris is the most basic (open), AIX is done the IBM way (unique to IBM), and HPUX is somewhere in the middle. They each leap frog one another. I would go for the best bang for the buck. Nowadays, they are getting desperate :) As for Oracle versions, go for 9i. Gene [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/24/01 12:02PM Solaris, AIX, or HP-UX. I am bias to Solaris as I am acustom to it, but with the change in direction of Oracle, I am considering HP-UX, and due to the cost and performance benefits of AiX, I am also looking there. So in answer, I really don't know. I would like to say Sun but I don't think they would be my best choice. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:26 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Hi Chris, What will be your OS ? Sinardy -Original Message- Spence Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 3:44 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gene Sais INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Would you use 9i?
given this, I'd definitely develop in 9i, since fallback to 8.1.7 would require testing but not recoding. good luck and let us know -- I hate living on the bleeding edge :) From: Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Would you use 9i? Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:59:06 -0800 What I was planing on doing, is using as much flat 8.1.7 features, but take advantage of the 9i way of doing it. For example, 9i is faster in calls to sql from PLSQL, this will not effect my PLSQL code in one bit. The new OPS features, if I need to go to old OPS, won't need to change code. If there is something in 9i I find that I must use, then I will need to make a decision. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L you say that you will have 8.1.7 and 9i up during development, so that you will be able to move back to 8.1.7 should something (a bug?) crop up. Okay, are you planning on using no features in 9i that are not in 8.1.7? If so, great. If not, you would have to redevelop and rethink the direction to return to the 8.1.7 platform. next, you say that you are comfortable with the possible shakiness of 9i given that your development cycle will be a year and you believe that it will be solid by then. But what if you have to code in work-arounds during that shakedown time? Are you planning on flagging those and going back and fixing the code once the problem has been resolved in 9i? I would be happier to do this sort of development cycle within a major release. I.e., develop on 9.1 and fall back to a stable 9.0.1 rather than cross such major boundaries. Unless I was not taking advantage of new features. My $0.02 Rachel From: Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Would you use 9i? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:43:45 -0800 I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please
RE: RE: Would you use 9i?
Title: Message Well I think part of that is because Oracle knows linux people would be running it far faster than Aix people, most aix boxes are production, where as many people are running linux and more quickly to try it out there. "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message-From: JOE TESTA [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:53 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: RE: Would you use 9i? i think AIX is still the redheaded, 2nd class stepchild when versions come out. I mean 9i for linux came out before AIX. joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/24/01 12:02PM Solaris, AIX, or HP-UX. I am bias to Solaris as I am acustom to it, but with the change in direction of Oracle, I am considering HP-UX, and due to the cost and performance benefits of AiX, I am also looking there. So in answer, I really don't know. I would like to say Sun but I don't think they would be my best choice. "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message-From: Sinardy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 10:26 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: OT:RE: Would you use 9i? Hi Chris, What will be your OS ? Sinardy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Christopher SpenceSent: Friday, 24 August 2001 3:44 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: Would you use 9i? I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. "Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes." Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863
RE: Would you use 9i?
Considering 1 year of development, I am hoping it wouldn't be bleeding edge at release. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message- Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L given this, I'd definitely develop in 9i, since fallback to 8.1.7 would require testing but not recoding. good luck and let us know -- I hate living on the bleeding edge :) From: Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Would you use 9i? Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:59:06 -0800 What I was planing on doing, is using as much flat 8.1.7 features, but take advantage of the 9i way of doing it. For example, 9i is faster in calls to sql from PLSQL, this will not effect my PLSQL code in one bit. The new OPS features, if I need to go to old OPS, won't need to change code. If there is something in 9i I find that I must use, then I will need to make a decision. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L you say that you will have 8.1.7 and 9i up during development, so that you will be able to move back to 8.1.7 should something (a bug?) crop up. Okay, are you planning on using no features in 9i that are not in 8.1.7? If so, great. If not, you would have to redevelop and rethink the direction to return to the 8.1.7 platform. next, you say that you are comfortable with the possible shakiness of 9i given that your development cycle will be a year and you believe that it will be solid by then. But what if you have to code in work-arounds during that shakedown time? Are you planning on flagging those and going back and fixing the code once the problem has been resolved in 9i? I would be happier to do this sort of development cycle within a major release. I.e., develop on 9.1 and fall back to a stable 9.0.1 rather than cross such major boundaries. Unless I was not taking advantage of new features. My $0.02 Rachel From: Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Would you use 9i? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:43:45 -0800 I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Christopher Spence INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists
RE: Would you use 9i?
I'd hope not, but you never know with Oracle :) I meant bleeding edge to start developing it now, with 9i so new and raw and barely born From: Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Would you use 9i? Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:07:39 -0800 Considering 1 year of development, I am hoping it wouldn't be bleeding edge at release. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message- Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 12:51 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L given this, I'd definitely develop in 9i, since fallback to 8.1.7 would require testing but not recoding. good luck and let us know -- I hate living on the bleeding edge :) From: Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Would you use 9i? Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 07:59:06 -0800 What I was planing on doing, is using as much flat 8.1.7 features, but take advantage of the 9i way of doing it. For example, 9i is faster in calls to sql from PLSQL, this will not effect my PLSQL code in one bit. The new OPS features, if I need to go to old OPS, won't need to change code. If there is something in 9i I find that I must use, then I will need to make a decision. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 5:01 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L you say that you will have 8.1.7 and 9i up during development, so that you will be able to move back to 8.1.7 should something (a bug?) crop up. Okay, are you planning on using no features in 9i that are not in 8.1.7? If so, great. If not, you would have to redevelop and rethink the direction to return to the 8.1.7 platform. next, you say that you are comfortable with the possible shakiness of 9i given that your development cycle will be a year and you believe that it will be solid by then. But what if you have to code in work-arounds during that shakedown time? Are you planning on flagging those and going back and fixing the code once the problem has been resolved in 9i? I would be happier to do this sort of development cycle within a major release. I.e., develop on 9.1 and fall back to a stable 9.0.1 rather than cross such major boundaries. Unless I was not taking advantage of new features. My $0.02 Rachel From: Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Would you use 9i? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:43:45 -0800 I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name
Re: Would you use 9i?
I'd go for it. Give yourself a head start by making sure you learn about what 9i can do. Don't just wade in to using 8i to build a 7.3-style application with a few bolt-ons. Make the newness work for you. Jonathan Lewis Host to The Co-Operative Oracle Users' FAQ http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/faq/ind_faq.html Author of: Practical Oracle 8i: Building Efficient Databases See http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk/book_rev.html For latest news of public appearances See http://www.jlcomp.demon.co.uk Screen saver or Life saver: http://www.ud.com Use spare CPU to assist in cancer research. -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23 August 2001 20:44 |I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will |use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large |application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year |from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about |using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am |comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice |to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have |to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. |During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just |in case something crops ups and hinders our path. | |Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be |honest. | |Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way |when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. | |Christopher R. Spence |Oracle DBA |Phone: (978) 322-5744 |Fax:(707) 885-2275 | |Fuelspot |73 Princeton Street |North, Chelmsford 01863 | | | | -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jonathan Lewis INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Would you use 9i?
you say that you will have 8.1.7 and 9i up during development, so that you will be able to move back to 8.1.7 should something (a bug?) crop up. Okay, are you planning on using no features in 9i that are not in 8.1.7? If so, great. If not, you would have to redevelop and rethink the direction to return to the 8.1.7 platform. next, you say that you are comfortable with the possible shakiness of 9i given that your development cycle will be a year and you believe that it will be solid by then. But what if you have to code in work-arounds during that shakedown time? Are you planning on flagging those and going back and fixing the code once the problem has been resolved in 9i? I would be happier to do this sort of development cycle within a major release. I.e., develop on 9.1 and fall back to a stable 9.0.1 rather than cross such major boundaries. Unless I was not taking advantage of new features. My $0.02 Rachel From: Christopher Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Would you use 9i? Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:43:45 -0800 I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax:(707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Would you use 9i?
Title: Would you use 9i? Christopher, I would start using 9i as my development plan. It has lot of bells and whistles like all other versions of Oracle many of them may not work right from the get go. But it has some very good features which can be used from day one like resumable SQL statements, Flashback query, support for SCN based, Trial recoveries, RAC to name a few. As you mentioned it would save you from a huge workload in future when you have to upgrading it to 9i. I dont see any reason as why not to use 9i Good luck Thx Gautam -Original Message- From: Christopher Spence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 2:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: Would you use 9i? I am starting a new company, I am going to be building a platform which will use Oracle database as it's infrastructure. It will be a very large application and environment If all goes well. It will take about a year from start to finish till I will attempt to be live. I am debating about using 9i or sticking with 8.1.7. Since it will be in development, I am comfortable within a year 9i should just be about stable, and would be nice to already be on it's features, specially it's OPS features. And not have to worry about the big move over (and probably costly) in the future. During development it would be easy to have 8.1.7 and 9i side by side just in case something crops ups and hinders our path. Anyone have anything bad to say about that idea? Let them rip, and be honest. Do not criticize someone until you walked a mile in their shoes, that way when you criticize them, you are a mile a way and have their shoes. Christopher R. Spence Oracle DBA Phone: (978) 322-5744 Fax: (707) 885-2275 Fuelspot 73 Princeton Street North, Chelmsford 01863
