Re:RE: Oracle License for Training

2003-02-13 Thread dgoulet
Steve,

I'd say IF.  Reason is that MySql has a commercial company behind it and it
appears that they see  looming in the near future.  Their licensing costs
have risen in the last 3 months.  Granted their a pile cheaper than Oracle
(correction, make that a mountain), but as always if there's a buck to be
made  Personally I prefer PostGreSql, which happens to be the direction our
WEB master wants to head off on.

Dick Goulet

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For me the question is not If? but When? 

Any prognostications?


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Mark my words, it will happen.

...The MySQL part, not the outsourcing part. :)


Cary Millsap
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If MySql continues as planned,  I think Oracle will
find it a force to be reckoned with, much as MS
has discovered to be true about Linux.

Of course by that time, according to the latest IT 
business intelligence as seen in Computer World,
most of our jobs will have been outsourced by then,
and it wont' matter much.

Jared





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A question for the DBA Gods on this list:

Is it worth the time/effort to download MySQL and learn it?  Is there 
going
to be a viable (meaning $$) market for the product in the future? Or 
should
I leave all the egg$ in the Oracle basket?

Musing for fun and profit.

Rick Weiss

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MS SQL costing less than Oracle is only partly true.

If you load up MS with the extras that constitute a std
feature set on Oracle, Oracle is very competitive.

Been lots of comparisons on that.

Now PostgreSQL and MySQL, those *are* less expensize than 
MS SQL and Oracle.  :)

Jared
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Re:Re: Oracle License for Training

2003-02-06 Thread Markus Reger
I would be pleased to be informed - privately or via the list - about further 
progress. 

Oracle is a fine thing - not judging just giving away my sympathy - and hopefully you 
can get more people on the Oracle path. 
 
Fence the w..dogs off - sorry, couldn't resist to temptation.

Apologies for any typing mistakes I failed to notice.


Markus Reger

Oracle Applications DBA
Webmaster
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University for Music and Performing Art
Vienna
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Interesting idea! =)
I'll look through the license agreement (OTN) again.
Then find a lawyer who's willing to be a partner...
And who knows...

Thanks a lot to Dennis W, Tim G, Dick G, Stephane F, jeremy P
and Markus R! Thanks to everyone!

I'm still open to any input/ideas/partnerships(?). Feel free to email me.
I'll let you guys know how this little venture goes.

=)

DENNIS WILLIAMS wrote:

 Markus - That is what I call a creative solution! I'm no lawyer either, but
 excellent!

 Dennis Williams
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 Did you ever consider that your (prospective) trainig candidates get the
 (for testing purposes freely downloadable) oracle software themselves and
 install it themselves (or assisted by you) on a good (linux - one might hope
 ;-)) box and then you assist them by getting along with this?

 I think this means, that you would not provide the software yourself - this
 is done by your traning candidates.

 As I am neither a jurist nor a lawyer, so I hope this is not pure nonsense -
 especially regarding the license agreement on technet.oracle.com.

 Apologies for any typing mistakes I failed to notice

 Markus Reger

 Oracle Applications DBA
 Webmaster
 MBC
 University for Music and Performing Art
 Vienna
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/05/03 06:15 AM 
 A couple of friends and I are thinking of putting up a small training
 company here in the Phils.
 (When we say small...its really small with almost 0
 capitalization...just sheer guts and technical knowhow)
 We have looked at OTN and checked the licensing terms for the use of the
 software for training.
 We have stumbled on this provision:
 You may not:
 ·use the programs to provide third party training;
 I was wondering if any of you know if there is a different licensing for
 training institutions?
 How does a non-oracle partner acquire license to use Oracle DB software
 for training?
 I am looking at partnering with Oracle, but we are just starting and
 partnering costs $$.
 I dare not call Oracle Philippines just yet...If there is a need to
 purchase, and if we have the money, only then will we contact them.

 Thanks.

 =)

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