Re:RE: Oracle vs DB2

2001-04-25 Thread dgoulet

So isn't PostGres, but neither is a close competitor.

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Author: Gene Sais [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   4/24/2001 1:28 PM

hmmm, mysql is free, best price of all.

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/24/01 04:27PM 
At 10:46 AM 4/24/01 -0800, you wrote:
Not true. You can use the Standard Edition for serving web pages. We're
doing it. 

Yep. I've corrected myself on that in another email.

One thing I don't get: it's $6,000 Cdn for a 1-user license, right? How is a
1-user license going to do you any good if you're serving web pages? Just
interested in how the WE Internet Access works.

The 1-user license + WE = a legal DB2 web-database. This according to the
IBM salescritter. Got it on paper, too. :-)


We had some IBM guys in here late last year, and they couldn't give us any
better pricing than what we could get Oracle Standard Edition for.

Times change. My salescritter is saying that in some cases, IBM is *giving*
DB2 away, if there's enough ancilliary business (hardware, consulting, etc).

I guess I should add a disclaimer to my rant at this point. We are a small
shop. I mean *SMALL* shop. 30 people in the company. 30K for a web database
may be peanuts for a fortune 500 company, but for us, it's significant. YMMV.




Dennis Taylor

Beware of false economies.

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Re:RE: Oracle vs DB2

2001-04-24 Thread dgoulet

Patrice,

I just read that from IBM's WEB site
(http://www.ibm.com/news/2001/04/24.phtml) for those interested.  Looks like the
DB market in the near future will be Oracle  DB2, with a little SQL*Server
sprinkled in for spice.  My retirement fund may get better, but will I be able
to survive the feeding frenzy that ensues???

Dick Goulet

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Author: Boivin; Patrice J [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date:   4/24/2001 8:45 AM

Well,

This is on topic - www.wired.com http://www.wired.com  today has an
article re. IBM announced that it is buying Informix for $1Billion.

Ah, if only I had that kind of money myself - I could take more Oracle
courses!

I don't know what will happen with Informix then, does that mean they will
gobble it up and DB2 will be the only option in a couple of years?

Regards,
Patrice Boivin
Systems Analyst (Oracle Certified DBA)

Systems Admin  Operations | Admin. et Exploit. des systèmes
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Sent:   Tuesday, April 24, 2001 12:57 PM
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Subject:Oracle vs DB2

Disclaimer: I am *not* trying to start a religious war, and I am
*not*
trying to advocate DB2. I am simply offended. Thus this post.

As some may remember, I'm doing an evaluation of Oracle vs DB2 vs
SQLServer
to determine our future direction. Here's a datum that makes a
significant
difference to us, dollar-wise.

With Oracle, in order to make a database accessible to the internet
through
a web page, you have to buy an unlimited-user enterprise license. We
had a
senior sales person in our office yesterday, and we asked this
question a
number of different ways. He bobbed and he weaved, but he did not
deny it.
And the quote he supplied afterwards does not address the issue at
all.

Cost of unlimited-user Enterprise version for our installation (your
mileage may vary) = Approx $160,000 Cdn.

IBM, for the same purpose, will sell you DB2 UDB Workgroup edition
(1
user), and something called WE Internet Access, for a total price of
$6000
Cdn. I have a written quote from an IBM salescritter to this effect.

$6000. $160,000. $6000. $160,000. Hm. Let me think.

I respectfully submit that Oracle's pricing structure is out of line
with
market realities, and may have to undergo significant revision.



Dennis Taylor

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just figured out the joke.

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