RE: dba age
I'm 15 going on 24 (the OT guys know what I mean ;) ). I'm 24 really. Been using this Oracle stuff for around 5 years now.. I'm not a DBA by job title, though I am DBA trained (on Oracle SQLServer) and feel I could do the job quite competently.. I think I'm the youngest whippersnapper around here.. Have been for quite a while too.. ;) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 24 July 2003 07:41To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: dba ageSitting in the dark for a while and watching you guys talking I'm just 29.. working as DBA for 3 years. got my OCP for a year. but I feel I'm not old enough to be a expertise DBA... .. soon I will try to catch up with you guys ( both knowledge and age) "M Rafiq" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/24/2003 12:24 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: dba ageThanks for update. I am saving your email as a record/souvenier.RegardsRafiqReply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:14:29 -0800I was born on 1/10/1961 in Zagreb, Croatia, which makes me 42 yearsof age. My horoscope sign is Ursus (6'4", 260 lbs, used to do greko-romanwrestling, I can still run 5 miles and lift myself on a chin-up bar). Peoplesometimes confuse my age with the answer to certain question from the DoglasAdamses "Hitchiker's Guiide To Galaxy". Don't panic!Mladen GogalaOracle DBAPhone:(203) 459-6855Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]-Original Message-Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:55 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LTanel.I am personally impressed with your pratical knowledge, based on yourresponses to this list. Mostly DBA's particpating on this list is 35+ (mayin the range of 40-45). Only one DBA is 42 years old for the last 5 years.Guess who Gogala Mladen(don't shoot me as I am your fan). That is hisfavorite/magic figure 42. However, he can tell his real age if he wants.RegardsRafiqReply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:09:56 -0800Hi!Age isn't the most important criteria for good DBA.Ability to analyze issues and foresee possible consequences of your actionsare the most important ones, at least from my point of view.Personally, I just turned 25. Whether I'm experienced or not, I won'tspeculate, but so far I've lost no data and have kept all my customers happy;)Tanel. - Original Message - From: AK To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak_The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net--Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services-To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).--Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net--Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services-To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail messageto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and inthe message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L(or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You mayalso send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing)._The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail-- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net-- Author: M RafiqINET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.comSan Diego, California -- Mailing list an
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I've used RPT/RPF as a programmer and some of them are still used. Now as a DBA , I see them still running against 8.1.7 and i am only 31 yrs young. Regards Madan DBA Gogala, Mladen [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: dba age [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com 07/23/2003 11:44 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L Wow, I remember UFI, iapgen and RPT/RPF, but I started in 1989. Do you remember SQLPME? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Michael Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: dba age Let's see... I remember dirt.. I remember UFI. I remember version 4.1.0 that ran on DOS... PC, PC-XT.. Oracle since 1983... Good loaded question. Maks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Goulet, Dick Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: dba age Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: madan INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Aha. Big guy ;). 34yrs, 6'6'', 225lbs. The 5 miles still work and at least due to my height, I'm able to cheat at the chin-up bar ;). Don't panic. Stefan -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gogala, Mladen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 23. Juli 2003 20:14 An: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Betreff: RE: dba age I was born on 1/10/1961 in Zagreb, Croatia, which makes me 42 years of age. My horoscope sign is Ursus (6'4, 260 lbs, used to do greko-roman wrestling, I can still run 5 miles and lift myself on a chin-up bar). People sometimes confuse my age with the answer to certain question from the Doglas Adamses Hitchiker's Guiide To Galaxy. Don't panic! Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tanel. I am personally impressed with your pratical knowledge, based on your responses to this list. Mostly DBA's particpating on this list is 35+ (may in the range of 40-45). Only one DBA is 42 years old for the last 5 years. Guess who Gogala Mladen(don't shoot me as I am your fan). That is his favorite/magic figure 42. However, he can tell his real age if he wants. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:09:56 -0800 Hi! Age isn't the most important criteria for good DBA. Ability to analyze issues and foresee possible consequences of your actions are the most important ones, at least from my point of view. Personally, I just turned 25. Whether I'm experienced or not, I won't speculate, but so far I've lost no data and have kept all my customers happy ;) Tanel. - Original Message - From: AK To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stefan Jahnke INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak
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Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak
Re: dba age
insert into dba_tbl values('41'); --- thats mine
do this for all of the experienced dbas
select avg(age) from dba_tbl;
:)
joe
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Experience can be tricky, I know experienced DBA and developpers with a lot of years of experience and they're still junior in my mind, they're almost at the same level as when they started with Oracle. On the other hands,I know some people who have been DBA for 3 years and are very very good... Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of AKSent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak
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I'm only thilteen. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak
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simple answer: old enough to know better :) --- Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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what is average age of an experienced oracle dba 42? Þessi póstur var sendur með vefpósti mi, http://www.mi.is -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gudmundur Josepsson INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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We all know that the universal answer that requires a number is ...42 I just had my 58th. Gray hair, kids, grand kids and 7 years from retirement. Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/23/03 11:54AM Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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10G April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message-From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:09 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: dba age Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
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...and young enough to go ahead and do it anyway! Woooh! -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 9:30 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L simple answer: old enough to know better :) --- Goulet, Dick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Vergara, Michael (TEM) INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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AK - Don't fear, you may feel young now, but working as a DBA ages you really fast. The other day the discussion drifted into chopping fingers for making mistakes. Before safety couplings were adopted, the experience of railroad brakemen was judged by the number of fingers missing. Maybe we should all raise hands. Few people take on the DBA role straight out of college. A production DBA at a large site is a critical role. I feel that communication is a vital part of the job, and the more roles you've had prior to becoming a DBA, the better. If you've worked as a developer for a few years, you'll be able to better understand developers and better communicate with them. They'll still think you're scum, but at least you'll understand why they feel that way. If you have worked as a user you'll understand how/if users think. A few people have even moved from the DBA role to other jobs. I don't understand it, something about being the focus of everyone's frustration, intolerable hours, inescapable pressure. Dennis Williams DBA, 80%OCP, 100% DBA Lifetouch, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 10:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DENNIS WILLIAMS INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I think that a typical DBA ages so fast that simple measuring
techniques are suspect
-rje
J insert into dba_tbl values('41'); --- thats mine
J do this for all of the experienced dbas
J select avg(age) from dba_tbl;
J :)
J joe
J AK wrote:
Now this one is difficult folks ..
what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ?
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chronologically i'm 50 mentally i'm 15 physically i'm 90 -Original Message-From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 23 July, 2003 10:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak
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For an apricot, I am old. For a head of lettuce, even more so. But for a mountain I am not even begun in years. However, for a man I am just right. Matt Adams - GE Appliances - [EMAIL PROTECTED]It will make sense when you stop thinking logically,and start thinking Oracle-ly - Jim Droppa -Original Message-From: Goulet, Dick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:09 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: dba age Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak
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Tanel. I am personally impressed with your pratical knowledge, based on your responses to this list. Mostly DBA's particpating on this list is 35+ (may in the range of 40-45). Only one DBA is 42 years old for the last 5 years. Guess who Gogala Mladen(don't shoot me as I am your fan). That is his favorite/magic figure 42. However, he can tell his real age if he wants. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:09:56 -0800 Hi! Age isn't the most important criteria for good DBA. Ability to analyze issues and foresee possible consequences of your actions are the most important ones, at least from my point of view. Personally, I just turned 25. Whether I'm experienced or not, I won't speculate, but so far I've lost no data and have kept all my customers happy ;) Tanel. - Original Message - From: AK To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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42. And missing a few experience fingers... Ron Thomas Hypercom, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] Each new user of a new system uncovers a new class of bugs. -- Kernighan [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: dba age .com 07/23/2003 09:54 AM Please respond to ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks ... what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Thomas INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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So, your answer is 51.667? Sounds about right. -rje P chronologically i'm 50 P mentally i'm 15 P physically i'm 90 P -Original Message- P Sent: Wednesday, 23 July, 2003 10:55 P To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L P Now this one is difficult folks .. P what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? P -ak -rje -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robert Eskridge INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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King Arthur: Old woman! Dennis: Man. KA: Sorry. Old man! Whose castle is that? D: I'm 37! KA: What? D: I'm 37, I'm not old! KA: Well, I can't just call you 'man'. D: Well, you could say 'Dennis'. KA: I didn't know you were called Dennis. D: You never bothered to find out, did you? At least I'm only on the cusp of 35. And I have 6 years experience with Oracle. I've lost whole databases, even, thanks to WindohsNoT running Oracle7. My experience tells me not to put Oracle on Windohs. YMMV. I've experienced upgrades, patches, and migrations -- oh my! I've experienced the joy that isn't OiD 9.0.2. I've experienced a developer who could have sworn he was in the test DB. I've experienced successful recovery with zero data loss and no downtime during core business hours. I've experienced AutoRAID. I've experienced BAARF. I've experienced Intel, Alpha, SPARC, and PA-RISC. Duhvelopers have experienced my wrath. I have experienced my own wrath during moments of Duh. I've experienced this list, with it's many helpful and some not so helpful members. And yet, there's so much I haven't experienced. Like lunch today. Standing in for Paul Harvey, I'm Rich Jesse. Good Day! Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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DBAs are at an intersection, the place where all the data is stored! Eveyrone wants the DBA to do something for them... and it's never fast enough. : ) Patrice. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Hi! Thanks for the compliment :) But I'm still complete loser compared to some other guys here, so there's much work to be done. I think the 42 might very well come from the Hitchhikers Guide To Galaxy book, if you know what I mean ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:54 PM Tanel. I am personally impressed with your pratical knowledge, based on your responses to this list. Mostly DBA's particpating on this list is 35+ (may in the range of 40-45). Only one DBA is 42 years old for the last 5 years. Guess who Gogala Mladen(don't shoot me as I am your fan). That is his favorite/magic figure 42. However, he can tell his real age if he wants. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:09:56 -0800 Hi! Age isn't the most important criteria for good DBA. Ability to analyze issues and foresee possible consequences of your actions are the most important ones, at least from my point of view. Personally, I just turned 25. Whether I'm experienced or not, I won't speculate, but so far I've lost no data and have kept all my customers happy ;) Tanel. - Original Message - From: AK To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Well I *AM* 37, and I don't feel old. I'm actually the youngest DBA in my group, and it seems like I'm always the youngest wherever I go... Robert -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 7/23/2003 12:14 PM King Arthur: Old woman! Dennis: Man. KA: Sorry. Old man! Whose castle is that? D: I'm 37! KA: What? D: I'm 37, I'm not old! KA: Well, I can't just call you 'man'. D: Well, you could say 'Dennis'. KA: I didn't know you were called Dennis. D: You never bothered to find out, did you? At least I'm only on the cusp of 35. And I have 6 years experience with Oracle. I've lost whole databases, even, thanks to WindohsNoT running Oracle7. My experience tells me not to put Oracle on Windohs. YMMV. I've experienced upgrades, patches, and migrations -- oh my! I've experienced the joy that isn't OiD 9.0.2. I've experienced a developer who could have sworn he was in the test DB. I've experienced successful recovery with zero data loss and no downtime during core business hours. I've experienced AutoRAID. I've experienced BAARF. I've experienced Intel, Alpha, SPARC, and PA-RISC. Duhvelopers have experienced my wrath. I have experienced my own wrath during moments of Duh. I've experienced this list, with it's many helpful and some not so helpful members. And yet, there's so much I haven't experienced. Like lunch today. Standing in for Paul Harvey, I'm Rich Jesse. Good Day! Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I'm 94 I started working with Oracle back in the late thirties on the Rexall "Wonder-Math" Mechanical Computing Device. Writing SQL with a machine not unlike a player piano, we did, for hours on end, then we would feed the boxes of program reels into the Wonder-Math and stand withoiler cans and masking tape at the ready. Those were woolly times, yes indeed. My dear friend Martin and I wouldrun reports for managementand load data until the wee hours then skidaddle off to the local "speakeasy" for a few drops of heaven and some song. We would sing Camp Town Races and Harvest Moon untilour voices were horse with the strain and quite giddy with drink.. Martin wasparticularly adapt at convincing the young sporting ladies to sing with us, he was quite a wolf that Martin was After we tired and became hungry and when our minds were in a state of pleasant and dizzy euphoria we would break our morning fast with some rashers of bacon, fresh eggs,rhubarb pie, pots of hot black coffee and witty repartee with the waitress at the Darcie's Hop-Inn. A quick nap and back we went toreorganize the tablespaces on the wonder-math and other sundry administration tasks. Oh those weresimpler days...we were poor then but quite happy with our position and we lived life with all the zest of a young man free to explore world of database administration. We were quite young. Yes quite ::zz:: -Original Message-From: Purcell, Sandra [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:45 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: dba age chronologically i'm 50 mentally i'm 15 physically i'm 90 -Original Message-From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 23 July, 2003 10:55 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak
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exactly... now, i have to say, there is the option to round up/down when necessary depending on how many gray hairs are showing through the hair color application and available room lighting... -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, 23 July, 2003 12:15 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L So, your answer is 51.667? Sounds about right. -rje P chronologically i'm 50 P mentally i'm 15 P physically i'm 90 P -Original Message- P Sent: Wednesday, 23 July, 2003 10:55 P To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L P Now this one is difficult folks .. P what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? P -ak -rje -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robert Eskridge INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing) -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Purcell, Sandra INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Tanel, Thanks. Frankly speaking I have no idea about 'Hitchhikers Guide To Galaxy book' , however, 42 is a favorite/magic figure on this list. I think, Jared, now may be getting frustrated with this OFF-topic discussion so no further response from my side.. Sorry Jared. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 09:24:30 -0800 Hi! Thanks for the compliment :) But I'm still complete loser compared to some other guys here, so there's much work to be done. I think the 42 might very well come from the Hitchhikers Guide To Galaxy book, if you know what I mean ;) Tanel. - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:54 PM Tanel. I am personally impressed with your pratical knowledge, based on your responses to this list. Mostly DBA's particpating on this list is 35+ (may in the range of 40-45). Only one DBA is 42 years old for the last 5 years. Guess who Gogala Mladen(don't shoot me as I am your fan). That is his favorite/magic figure 42. However, he can tell his real age if he wants. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:09:56 -0800 Hi! Age isn't the most important criteria for good DBA. Ability to analyze issues and foresee possible consequences of your actions are the most important ones, at least from my point of view. Personally, I just turned 25. Whether I'm experienced or not, I won't speculate, but so far I've lost no data and have kept all my customers happy ;) Tanel. - Original Message - From: AK To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Tanel Poder INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Let's see... I remember dirt.. I remember UFI. I remember version 4.1.0 that ran on DOS... PC, PC-XT.. Oracle since 1983... Good loaded question. Maks. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Goulet, DickSent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:09 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: dba age Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak
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I claim 36, making me the youngest DBA here. Of course, myself is the oldest DBA here at 36. And I is the average of our ages. Me, myself, and I work pretty well together, if you ignore all the arguments. -Original Message- From: Freeman Robert - IL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: dba age Well I *AM* 37, and I don't feel old. I'm actually the youngest DBA in my group, and it seems like I'm always the youngest wherever I go... Robert -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 7/23/2003 12:14 PM King Arthur: Old woman! Dennis: Man. KA: Sorry. Old man! Whose castle is that? D: I'm 37! KA: What? D: I'm 37, I'm not old! KA: Well, I can't just call you 'man'. D: Well, you could say 'Dennis'. KA: I didn't know you were called Dennis. D: You never bothered to find out, did you? At least I'm only on the cusp of 35. And I have 6 years experience with Oracle. I've lost whole databases, even, thanks to WindohsNoT running Oracle7. My experience tells me not to put Oracle on Windohs. YMMV. I've experienced upgrades, patches, and migrations -- oh my! I've experienced the joy that isn't OiD 9.0.2. I've experienced a developer who could have sworn he was in the test DB. I've experienced successful recovery with zero data loss and no downtime during core business hours. I've experienced AutoRAID. I've experienced BAARF. I've experienced Intel, Alpha, SPARC, and PA-RISC. Duhvelopers have experienced my wrath. I have experienced my own wrath during moments of Duh. I've experienced this list, with it's many helpful and some not so helpful members. And yet, there's so much I haven't experienced. Like lunch today. Standing in for Paul Harvey, I'm Rich Jesse. Good Day! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Anderson, Brian INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I was born on 1/10/1961 in Zagreb, Croatia, which makes me 42 years of age. My horoscope sign is Ursus (6'4, 260 lbs, used to do greko-roman wrestling, I can still run 5 miles and lift myself on a chin-up bar). People sometimes confuse my age with the answer to certain question from the Doglas Adamses Hitchiker's Guiide To Galaxy. Don't panic! Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tanel. I am personally impressed with your pratical knowledge, based on your responses to this list. Mostly DBA's particpating on this list is 35+ (may in the range of 40-45). Only one DBA is 42 years old for the last 5 years. Guess who Gogala Mladen(don't shoot me as I am your fan). That is his favorite/magic figure 42. However, he can tell his real age if he wants. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:09:56 -0800 Hi! Age isn't the most important criteria for good DBA. Ability to analyze issues and foresee possible consequences of your actions are the most important ones, at least from my point of view. Personally, I just turned 25. Whether I'm experienced or not, I won't speculate, but so far I've lost no data and have kept all my customers happy ;) Tanel. - Original Message - From: AK To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Wow, I remember UFI, iapgen and RPT/RPF, but I started in 1989. Do you remember SQLPME? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Michael Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:44 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: dba age Let's see... I remember dirt.. I remember UFI. I remember version 4.1.0 that ran on DOS... PC, PC-XT.. Oracle since 1983... Good loaded question. Maks. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Goulet, DickSent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:09 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: dba age Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak
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Title: RE: dba age Dude, I am 37 and the OLDEST Oracle DBA here... only one DBA older in the company! April Wells Oracle DBA/Oracle Apps DBA Corporate Systems Amarillo Texas You will recognize your own path when you come upon it, because you will suddenly have all the energy and imagination you will ever need. ~ Jerry Gillies ~ -Original Message- From: Freeman Robert - IL [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: dba age Well I *AM* 37, and I don't feel old. I'm actually the youngest DBA in my group, and it seems like I'm always the youngest wherever I go... Robert -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 7/23/2003 12:14 PM King Arthur: Old woman! Dennis: Man. KA: Sorry. Old man! Whose castle is that? D: I'm 37! KA: What? D: I'm 37, I'm not old! KA: Well, I can't just call you 'man'. D: Well, you could say 'Dennis'. KA: I didn't know you were called Dennis. D: You never bothered to find out, did you? At least I'm only on the cusp of 35. And I have 6 years experience with Oracle. I've lost whole databases, even, thanks to WindohsNoT running Oracle7. My experience tells me not to put Oracle on Windohs. YMMV. I've experienced upgrades, patches, and migrations -- oh my! I've experienced the joy that isn't OiD 9.0.2. I've experienced a developer who could have sworn he was in the test DB. I've experienced successful recovery with zero data loss and no downtime during core business hours. I've experienced AutoRAID. I've experienced BAARF. I've experienced Intel, Alpha, SPARC, and PA-RISC. Duhvelopers have experienced my wrath. I have experienced my own wrath during moments of Duh. I've experienced this list, with it's many helpful and some not so helpful members. And yet, there's so much I haven't experienced. Like lunch today. Standing in for Paul Harvey, I'm Rich Jesse. Good Day! Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California -- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). The information contained in this communication, including attachments, is strictly confidential and for the intended use of the addressee only; it may also contain proprietary, price sensitive, or legally privileged information. Notice is hereby given that any disclosure, distribution, dissemination, use, or copying of the information by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited and may be illegal. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail, delete this communication, and destroy all copies. Corporate Systems, Inc. has taken reasonable precautions to ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been swept for viruses. We specifically disclaim all liability and will accept no responsibility for any damage sustained as a result of software viruses and advise you to carry out your own virus checks before opening any attachment.
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Robert, Be proud. 37 and published. very good work. Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/23/03 01:34PM Well I *AM* 37, and I don't feel old. I'm actually the youngest DBA in my group, and it seems like I'm always the youngest wherever I go... Robert -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 7/23/2003 12:14 PM King Arthur: Old woman! Dennis: Man. KA: Sorry. Old man! Whose castle is that? D: I'm 37! KA: What? D: I'm 37, I'm not old! KA: Well, I can't just call you 'man'. D: Well, you could say 'Dennis'. KA: I didn't know you were called Dennis. D: You never bothered to find out, did you? At least I'm only on the cusp of 35. And I have 6 years experience with Oracle. I've lost whole databases, even, thanks to WindohsNoT running Oracle7. My experience tells me not to put Oracle on Windohs. YMMV. I've experienced upgrades, patches, and migrations -- oh my! I've experienced the joy that isn't OiD 9.0.2. I've experienced a developer who could have sworn he was in the test DB. I've experienced successful recovery with zero data loss and no downtime during core business hours. I've experienced AutoRAID. I've experienced BAARF. I've experienced Intel, Alpha, SPARC, and PA-RISC. Duhvelopers have experienced my wrath. I have experienced my own wrath during moments of Duh. I've experienced this list, with it's many helpful and some not so helpful members. And yet, there's so much I haven't experienced. Like lunch today. Standing in for Paul Harvey, I'm Rich Jesse. Good Day! Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Ron Rogers INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Same here, I'm 37 and the younguest one (also the one with the most hair !) Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Freeman Robert - IL Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well I *AM* 37, and I don't feel old. I'm actually the youngest DBA in my group, and it seems like I'm always the youngest wherever I go... Robert -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 7/23/2003 12:14 PM King Arthur: Old woman! Dennis: Man. KA: Sorry. Old man! Whose castle is that? D: I'm 37! KA: What? D: I'm 37, I'm not old! KA: Well, I can't just call you 'man'. D: Well, you could say 'Dennis'. KA: I didn't know you were called Dennis. D: You never bothered to find out, did you? At least I'm only on the cusp of 35. And I have 6 years experience with Oracle. I've lost whole databases, even, thanks to WindohsNoT running Oracle7. My experience tells me not to put Oracle on Windohs. YMMV. I've experienced upgrades, patches, and migrations -- oh my! I've experienced the joy that isn't OiD 9.0.2. I've experienced a developer who could have sworn he was in the test DB. I've experienced successful recovery with zero data loss and no downtime during core business hours. I've experienced AutoRAID. I've experienced BAARF. I've experienced Intel, Alpha, SPARC, and PA-RISC. Duhvelopers have experienced my wrath. I have experienced my own wrath during moments of Duh. I've experienced this list, with it's many helpful and some not so helpful members. And yet, there's so much I haven't experienced. Like lunch today. Standing in for Paul Harvey, I'm Rich Jesse. Good Day! Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I remember UFI, RPT-RPF, Forms 2.0 (IAD-IAG-IAP), SQL-QMX (for what it last),ODL (Oracle Data Loader), but I do not remember SQLPME . What was it ? Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Gogala, MladenSent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:15 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: dba age Wow, I remember UFI, iapgen and RPT/RPF, but I started in 1989. Do you remember SQLPME? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Michael Kline [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:44 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: dba age Let's see... I remember dirt.. I remember UFI. I remember version 4.1.0 that ran on DOS... PC, PC-XT.. Oracle since 1983... Good loaded question. Maks. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Goulet, DickSent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:09 PMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: dba age Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick GouletSenior Oracle DBAOracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message-From: AK [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak
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S I remember UFI, RPT-RPF, Forms 2.0 (IAD-IAG-IAP), SQL-QMX (for what it S last),ODL (Oracle Data Loader), but I do not remember SQLPME . What was it ? Ow! That makes my brain hurt. I think it was like Protected Memory Executive that allowed Oracle to run up in the above 1M region on 386's and in some special archetectures with 286's. I hadn't relived that nightmare in many years. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robert Eskridge INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Strange... I am 37 but I have less hair. : ) Patrice. -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 3:54 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Same here, I'm 37 and the younguest one (also the one with the most hair !) Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Freeman Robert - IL Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 1:35 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Well I *AM* 37, and I don't feel old. I'm actually the youngest DBA in my group, and it seems like I'm always the youngest wherever I go... Robert -Original Message- To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: 7/23/2003 12:14 PM King Arthur: Old woman! Dennis: Man. KA: Sorry. Old man! Whose castle is that? D: I'm 37! KA: What? D: I'm 37, I'm not old! KA: Well, I can't just call you 'man'. D: Well, you could say 'Dennis'. KA: I didn't know you were called Dennis. D: You never bothered to find out, did you? At least I'm only on the cusp of 35. And I have 6 years experience with Oracle. I've lost whole databases, even, thanks to WindohsNoT running Oracle7. My experience tells me not to put Oracle on Windohs. YMMV. I've experienced upgrades, patches, and migrations -- oh my! I've experienced the joy that isn't OiD 9.0.2. I've experienced a developer who could have sworn he was in the test DB. I've experienced successful recovery with zero data loss and no downtime during core business hours. I've experienced AutoRAID. I've experienced BAARF. I've experienced Intel, Alpha, SPARC, and PA-RISC. Duhvelopers have experienced my wrath. I have experienced my own wrath during moments of Duh. I've experienced this list, with it's many helpful and some not so helpful members. And yet, there's so much I haven't experienced. Like lunch today. Standing in for Paul Harvey, I'm Rich Jesse. Good Day! Rich Jesse System/Database Administrator [EMAIL PROTECTED] Quad/Tech Inc, Sussex, WI USA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Jesse, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Freeman Robert - IL INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Boivin, Patrice J INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Yup! SQL Protected Mode Executable, which loaded oracle above 1M boundary on 286 boxes. I believe that the last ones were produced for oracle 6. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L S I remember UFI, RPT-RPF, Forms 2.0 (IAD-IAG-IAP), SQL-QMX (for what it S last),ODL (Oracle Data Loader), but I do not remember SQLPME . What was it ? Ow! That makes my brain hurt. I think it was like Protected Memory Executive that allowed Oracle to run up in the above 1M region on 386's and in some special archetectures with 286's. I hadn't relived that nightmare in many years. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robert Eskridge INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I'm young but my memory is already going away :( -Original Message- Gogala, Mladen Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 5:20 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Yup! SQL Protected Mode Executable, which loaded oracle above 1M boundary on 286 boxes. I believe that the last ones were produced for oracle 6. Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 4:40 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L S I remember UFI, RPT-RPF, Forms 2.0 (IAD-IAG-IAP), SQL-QMX (for what it S last),ODL (Oracle Data Loader), but I do not remember SQLPME . What was it ? Ow! That makes my brain hurt. I think it was like Protected Memory Executive that allowed Oracle to run up in the above 1M region on 386's and in some special archetectures with 286's. I hadn't relived that nightmare in many years. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Robert Eskridge INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Stephane Paquette INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Hello ! Yes, i think you are right. I used SQLPME with QEMM (a memory extender) long ago ... in 286, 386 and 486 (with MS-DOS of course). Dias Costa Robert Eskridge wrote: S I remember UFI, RPT-RPF, Forms 2.0 (IAD-IAG-IAP), SQL-QMX (for what it S last),ODL (Oracle Data Loader), but I do not remember SQLPME . What was it ? Ow! That makes my brain hurt. I think it was like Protected Memory Executive that allowed Oracle to run up in the above 1M region on 386's and in some special archetectures with 286's. I hadn't relived that nightmare in many years. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: DiasCosta INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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SQLPME was a program to load Oracle into extended memory on the 386 PC, if memory serves me correctly. I am over 40 and I have been dealing with relational databases for a little over 19 years. I remember punch cards, Rbase, the first IBM PCs, Oracle Forms 2, Oracle v4.5 and 5, etc. I have been dealing with Oracle databases for about 16 years as developer and DBA. (Yeesh I am starting to feel old) I am not the oldest DBA here, but I seem to have the most experience. I don't have the most hair (I keep it shaved off.) . I haven't met a database that I couldn't crash or a customer's vapor backup plan that worked the first time. Reginald W. Bailey IBM Global Services - ETS SW GDSD - Database Management Your Friendly Neighborhood DBA 713-216-7703 (Office) 281-798-5474 (Mobile) 713-415-5410 (Pager) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ardlife.caTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: dba age 07/23/2003 01:59 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L I remember UFI, RPT-RPF, Forms 2.0 (IAD-IAG-IAP), SQL-QMX (for what it last),ODL (Oracle Data Loader), but I do not remember SQLPME . What was it Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Gogala, Mladen Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wow, I remember UFI, iapgen and RPT/RPF, but I started in 1989. Do you remember SQLPME? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Let's see... I remember dirt.. I remember UFI. I remember version 4.1.0 that ran on DOS... PC, PC-XT.. Oracle since 1983... Good loaded question. Maks. -Original Message- Goulet, Dick Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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AK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? Experienced Oracle DBAs are timeless and ageless... ;) Cheers Nuno Souto [EMAIL PROTECTED] PS: young 49, dba since 1980 (not all dbas work with Oracle) I actually remember *before* we needed SQLPME! -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Nuno Pinto do Souto INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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I remember creating a distributed Oracle driven Order entry system on DOS 4.1.0 running on IBM AT boxes and a Vax 750. I also wrote a dialing VAX program that would dial the PCs up, and down load their data WAY before sqlnet. That data was brought into the VAX, separated, sent to a mainframe for pricing, came back, sorted and distributed and sent back to the branches(from CT to CA)and it was ready for them the next morning. It used import/export a basic listening program a VAX file transfer with a pc hook, and could be programmed with an ini file of sorts for start time, end time, number of retries, etc. It was quite slick. If an AT died, they had a new one within 1-2 days and it was synced in the night they set it up. We could have a blank set up and loaded with cust data in about 3-4 hours and out the door. We also had to contend that orders cut in CT could be shipped from VA, which means CT gets an ack, and VA got shipping. The Order entry, being DOS, had to be done just so, query this, then do this, there's the normal products, pick the quantities, submit. When done right, it worked GOOD... Oracle even did a write up for it. That was back when Ken Jacobs still made site visits. He vaguely remembers me, poor fellow. I had several suggestions back then that they incorporated into what I think was the later Version 4 and 5 databases.. and they took a copy of my problem tracking system I ran there. They were impressed I had a database report of all problems and it also tracked those I fixed before Oracle did. Ah, the good old days when everything was still KISS. I started on an IBM 360/40 running DOS, BOS, and TOS, and POWER... Demand Deposits posting was about 2-4 boxes of punched cards. Of course that was 1971. Maks. -Original Message- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:14 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L SQLPME was a program to load Oracle into extended memory on the 386 PC, if memory serves me correctly. I am over 40 and I have been dealing with relational databases for a little over 19 years. I remember punch cards, Rbase, the first IBM PCs, Oracle Forms 2, Oracle v4.5 and 5, etc. I have been dealing with Oracle databases for about 16 years as developer and DBA. (Yeesh I am starting to feel old) I am not the oldest DBA here, but I seem to have the most experience. I don't have the most hair (I keep it shaved off.) . I haven't met a database that I couldn't crash or a customer's vapor backup plan that worked the first time. Reginald W. Bailey IBM Global Services - ETS SW GDSD - Database Management Your Friendly Neighborhood DBA 713-216-7703 (Office) 281-798-5474 (Mobile) 713-415-5410 (Pager) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ardlife.caTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: dba age 07/23/2003 01:59 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L I remember UFI, RPT-RPF, Forms 2.0 (IAD-IAG-IAP), SQL-QMX (for what it last),ODL (Oracle Data Loader), but I do not remember SQLPME . What was it Stephane Paquette Administrateur de bases de donnees Database Administrator Standard Life www.standardlife.ca Tel. (514) 499-7999 7470 and (514) 925-7187 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Gogala, Mladen Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 2:15 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wow, I remember UFI, iapgen and RPT/RPF, but I started in 1989. Do you remember SQLPME? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Let's see... I remember dirt.. I remember UFI. I remember version 4.1.0 that ran on DOS... PC, PC-XT.. Oracle since 1983... Good loaded question. Maks. -Original Message- Goulet, Dick Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services
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Thanks for update. I am saving your email as a record/souvenier. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:14:29 -0800 I was born on 1/10/1961 in Zagreb, Croatia, which makes me 42 years of age. My horoscope sign is Ursus (6'4, 260 lbs, used to do greko-roman wrestling, I can still run 5 miles and lift myself on a chin-up bar). People sometimes confuse my age with the answer to certain question from the Doglas Adamses Hitchiker's Guiide To Galaxy. Don't panic! Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tanel. I am personally impressed with your pratical knowledge, based on your responses to this list. Mostly DBA's particpating on this list is 35+ (may in the range of 40-45). Only one DBA is 42 years old for the last 5 years. Guess who Gogala Mladen(don't shoot me as I am your fan). That is his favorite/magic figure 42. However, he can tell his real age if he wants. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:09:56 -0800 Hi! Age isn't the most important criteria for good DBA. Ability to analyze issues and foresee possible consequences of your actions are the most important ones, at least from my point of view. Personally, I just turned 25. Whether I'm experienced or not, I won't speculate, but so far I've lost no data and have kept all my customers happy ;) Tanel. - Original Message - From: AK To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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There was a fine utility called ODS in version 5 giving online oracle activities and load stats.. It was working from command line. It was 1988 when I first installed version 5 on xenix. I also tested version 5 on DOS with lot of memory related issues for calling forms( call forms within forms). Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:14:42 -0800 Wow, I remember UFI, iapgen and RPT/RPF, but I started in 1989. Do you remember SQLPME? Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:44 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Let's see... I remember dirt.. I remember UFI. I remember version 4.1.0 that ran on DOS... PC, PC-XT.. Oracle since 1983... Good loaded question. Maks. -Original Message- Goulet, Dick Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:09 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now that's a LOADED question which I'm sure many a individual on this list will resist answering. Dick Goulet Senior Oracle DBA Oracle Certified 8i DBA -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 11:55 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Now this one is difficult folks . what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Sitting in the dark for a while and watching you guys talking I'm just 29.. working as DBA for 3 years. got my OCP for a year. but I feel I'm not old enough to be a expertise DBA... .. soon I will try to catch up with you guys ( both knowledge and age) M Rafiq [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/24/2003 12:24 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L To:Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:RE: dba age Thanks for update. I am saving your email as a record/souvenier. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 10:14:29 -0800 I was born on 1/10/1961 in Zagreb, Croatia, which makes me 42 years of age. My horoscope sign is Ursus (6'4, 260 lbs, used to do greko-roman wrestling, I can still run 5 miles and lift myself on a chin-up bar). People sometimes confuse my age with the answer to certain question from the Doglas Adamses Hitchiker's Guiide To Galaxy. Don't panic! Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Phone:(203) 459-6855 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:55 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Tanel. I am personally impressed with your pratical knowledge, based on your responses to this list. Mostly DBA's particpating on this list is 35+ (may in the range of 40-45). Only one DBA is 42 years old for the last 5 years. Guess who Gogala Mladen(don't shoot me as I am your fan). That is his favorite/magic figure 42. However, he can tell his real age if he wants. Regards Rafiq Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 08:09:56 -0800 Hi! Age isn't the most important criteria for good DBA. Ability to analyze issues and foresee possible consequences of your actions are the most important ones, at least from my point of view. Personally, I just turned 25. Whether I'm experienced or not, I won't speculate, but so far I've lost no data and have kept all my customers happy ;) Tanel. - Original Message - From: AK To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:54 PM Subject: dba age Now this one is difficult folks .. what is average age of an experienced oracle dba ? -ak _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: M Rafiq INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services -- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
