deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Rukmini Devi

Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Thomas, Kevin

If I remember rightly, deleting rows from the table does NOT free up
tablespace. In order to do that you have to trunctate the table (although
this of course deletes all data from the table)...I can't for the life of me
remember how you adjust the space the table is actually using after doing a
delete...(to everyone else) would an analyze work?

Kev.

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Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Cale, Rick T (Richard)

I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
data truncate table then re-import.

Correct me if I am wrong here.

Rick

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   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Ramasamy, Baskar

Rukmini,

Try to do coalesce on the tablespace on which the table is sitting in after
deleting rows.

alter tablespace TSNAME coalesce;

Baskar


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Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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Re: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Rukmini Devi

This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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 I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
 Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
 you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
 data truncate table then re-import.

 Correct me if I am wrong here.

 Rick

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 Hi All,
I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
effect
 on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
after
 deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
the
 freespace after deleting the data ?
 Thanks
 rukmini




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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread MHately



Hi folks,

Rick Cale was correct in saying that a truncate would release the storage by
default.
The only other option is to drop and recreate the table.

Oracle will only release allocated storage when it is specifically asked to.
The overhead on having a process monitoring which space it can drop would be
prohibitive and needless. ( Imagine an example where an interface table is
constantly filled and emptied - do you really want the storage to be constantly
allocated and deallocated? ).

Coalescing the tablespace will group adjacent free extents together but will
have no effect on allocated blocks.

Regards,
Mike Hately,
Oracle DBA



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Rukmini,

Try to do coalesce on the tablespace on which the table is sitting in after
deleting rows.

alter tablespace TSNAME coalesce;

Baskar


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Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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Re: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Raghu Kota



Rukmini

If you have good PCTUSED you are safe!! The space will be reused, Other wise 
You have to reorganize table!!

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This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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  I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
  Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
  you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export 
remaining
  data truncate table then re-import.
 
  Correct me if I am wrong here.
 
  Rick
 
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  Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:41 AM
  To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L
 
 
  Hi All,
 I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
effect
  on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
after
  deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
the
  freespace after deleting the data ?
  Thanks
  rukmini
 
 
 
 
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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Hillman, Alex

Great discussion. Reminds me of lazydba list.

Alex Hillman

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Hi folks,

Rick Cale was correct in saying that a truncate would release the storage by
default.
The only other option is to drop and recreate the table.

Oracle will only release allocated storage when it is specifically asked to.
The overhead on having a process monitoring which space it can drop would be
prohibitive and needless. ( Imagine an example where an interface table is
constantly filled and emptied - do you really want the storage to be
constantly
allocated and deallocated? ).

Coalescing the tablespace will group adjacent free extents together but will
have no effect on allocated blocks.

Regards,
Mike Hately,
Oracle DBA



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Rukmini,

Try to do coalesce on the tablespace on which the table is sitting in after
deleting rows.

alter tablespace TSNAME coalesce;

Baskar


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Hi All,
   I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no effect
on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB , after
deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get the
freespace after deleting the data ?
Thanks
rukmini




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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Miller, Jay

You would need to drop any foreign key constraints pointing to that table
before truncating and then recreate them after reloading the data.
If I remember correctly, simply disabling them won't work since Oracle
treats Truncate Table the same as Drop Table in many ways.
Other constraints (NOT NULL, etc) won't be affected.

Also, depending on the size of your initial extent and the amount of data
you have remaining, you might be able to resize the one remaining datafile
down after you truncate the table. (e.g., if your initial exent is 5 Meg and
you don't anticipate ever having more than 1 Meg of data, you can RESIZE the
datafile down to 5 Meg after the truncate).

Jay Miller

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This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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 I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
 Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
 you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
 data truncate table then re-import.

 Correct me if I am wrong here.

 Rick

 -Original Message-
 Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:41 AM
 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


 Hi All,
I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
effect
 on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
after
 deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
the
 freespace after deleting the data ?
 Thanks
 rukmini




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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Miller, Jay

Oops, meant to say you can RESIZE the
datafile down to 1 Meg after the truncate

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You would need to drop any foreign key constraints pointing to that table
before truncating and then recreate them after reloading the data.
If I remember correctly, simply disabling them won't work since Oracle
treats Truncate Table the same as Drop Table in many ways.
Other constraints (NOT NULL, etc) won't be affected.

Also, depending on the size of your initial extent and the amount of data
you have remaining, you might be able to resize the one remaining datafile
down after you truncate the table. (e.g., if your initial exent is 5 Meg and
you don't anticipate ever having more than 1 Meg of data, you can RESIZE the
datafile down to 5 Meg after the truncate).

Jay Miller

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This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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 you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
 data truncate table then re-import.

 Correct me if I am wrong here.

 Rick

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 Hi All,
I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
effect
 on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
after
 deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
the
 freespace after deleting the data ?
 Thanks
 rukmini




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RE: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Rakesh Gupta

This is what I use for truncating data from a large table with foreign key constraints.
select 'alter table ' ||b.table_name ||' disable constraint '||b.constraint_name
||';'
from user_constraints a, user_constraints b
where a.table_name = tablename and
a.constraint_name = b.r_constraint_name and
b.constraint_type='R'
/   
truncate table tablename;

select 'alter table ' ||b.table_name ||' enable constraint '||b.constraint_name|
|';'
from user_constraints a, user_constraints b
where a.table_name = tablename and
a.constraint_name = b.r_constraint_name and
b.constraint_type='R'
/

Rakesh


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 07/26/01 11:01AM 
You would need to drop any foreign key constraints pointing to that table
before truncating and then recreate them after reloading the data.
If I remember correctly, simply disabling them won't work since Oracle
treats Truncate Table the same as Drop Table in many ways.
Other constraints (NOT NULL, etc) won't be affected.

Also, depending on the size of your initial extent and the amount of data
you have remaining, you might be able to resize the one remaining datafile
down after you truncate the table. (e.g., if your initial exent is 5 Meg and
you don't anticipate ever having more than 1 Meg of data, you can RESIZE the
datafile down to 5 Meg after the truncate).

Jay Miller

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This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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 I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
 Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
 you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
 data truncate table then re-import.

 Correct me if I am wrong here.

 Rick

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 Hi All,
I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
effect
 on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
after
 deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
the
 freespace after deleting the data ?
 Thanks
 rukmini




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Re: deletion of data from a large table

2001-07-26 Thread Terry Ball

Well, I have disabled FK constraints, done a truncate and re-enabled.

Terry

Miller, Jay wrote:

 You would need to drop any foreign key constraints pointing to that table
 before truncating and then recreate them after reloading the data.
 If I remember correctly, simply disabling them won't work since Oracle
 treats Truncate Table the same as Drop Table in many ways.
 Other constraints (NOT NULL, etc) won't be affected.

 Also, depending on the size of your initial extent and the amount of data
 you have remaining, you might be able to resize the one remaining datafile
 down after you truncate the table. (e.g., if your initial exent is 5 Meg and
 you don't anticipate ever having more than 1 Meg of data, you can RESIZE the
 datafile down to 5 Meg after the truncate).

 Jay Miller

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 This can be done . But what about the constraints ?

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  I think this is happening because when you DELETE data the High Water
  Mark(HWM) is not lowered. Essentially
  you have not gained any freespace. If possible you could export remaining
  data truncate table then re-import.
 
  Correct me if I am wrong here.
 
  Rick
 
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  Sent: Thursday, July 26, 2001 7:41 AM
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  Hi All,
 I have deleted 3 lakhs records from a large table. But there is no
 effect
  on tablespace i.e. before I delete the data freespace in TS is 100MB ,
 after
  deletion also it is showing 100MB. What could be the reason ? How to get
 the
  freespace after deleting the data ?
  Thanks
  rukmini
 
 
 
 
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