interesting article...
Title: RE: RE: Cary's Book - new topic http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1312906,00.asp
Re: interesting article...
At the moment, I'm more interested in the new governator of California then Larry Ellison. Even if oracle is out, I'll be able to do other things. As a former VAX/VMS system administrator, believe me, I know. On Wed, 2003-10-08 at 11:29, Chris Stephens wrote: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1312906,00.asp -- Mladen Gogala Oracle DBA Note: This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain confidential, proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you receive this message in error, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. You must not, directly or indirectly, use, disclose, distribute, print, or copy any part of this message if you are not the intended recipient. Wang Trading LLC and any of its subsidiaries each reserve the right to monitor all e-mail communications through its networks. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the message states otherwise and the sender is authorized to state them to be the views of any such entity. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Mladen Gogala INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: interesting article...
Title: RE: RE: Cary's Book - new topic it is interesting. but who knows if this person's opinions are correct. should we start "shorting" Oracle stock? -Original Message-From: Chris Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:29 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: interesting article... http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1312906,00.asp
RE: interesting article...
I'm just hoping that Larry won't loose interest in the next 10 years. After that, he can sell out to CA anytime. Mercadante, Thomas FTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] NDATFM cc: @labor.state.ny. Subject: RE: interesting article... us Sent by: ml-errors 10/08/2003 12:24 PM Please respond to ORACLE-L it is interesting. but who knows if this person's opinions are correct. should we start shorting Oracle stock? -Original Message- From: Chris Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:29 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: interesting article... http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1312906,00.asp -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.net -- Author: Thomas Day INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
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Title: Message See the four stepinvestment strategy I laid out in the feedback on the article... It only involves one illegal action. ;-) -Original Message-From: Mercadante, Thomas F [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:25 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: interesting article... it is interesting. but who knows if this person's opinions are correct. should we start "shorting" Oracle stock? -Original Message-From: Chris Stephens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:29 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: interesting article... http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,4149,1312906,00.asp
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Allegedly, even cars will have ctrl-alt-del buttons. I leave the automotive implementation of BSOD to your imagination. I can envision people bragging about their brand new cars: I have one, I forgot the maker, but it has 64GB of RAM, 4.8 GHZ CPU and the latest WheelBlaster+ with MS 2007 tires. To quote the good, old Satchmo: what a wonderful world! -Original Message- From: Grabowy, Chris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Vey interesting article at MetaLink (shaking my head) You guys are killing me. Since Microslop is going to include SQL Server Enterprise edition with every copy of Windows, Windows CE, Windows Mobile, etc, Oracle will lose considerable market share. Dozens of lawsuits will be filed, but since MS has paid off all the judges, the President, Congress (like today) it won't matter...Oracle will be history... -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 2007 would not give enough time to complete the class time for the more rigorous OCP 256i requirements. Quit spreading false rumours. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That's interesting. I'd heard it was for OpenWorld '07. John P Weatherman Database Administrator Replacements Ltd. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually, Oracle 256i is slated for a June, 2012 release. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wow! That's the way to have your name remembered for eternity! Having your name carved in stone is one thing, but having your name embedded into the oracle source code is something much better. Jared, in a few millenniums, with Oracle 256(i?) you'll be one of the most celebrated individuals in the galaxy, standing next to Hari Seldon or Zaphod Beeblebrox. -Original Message- From: Cary Millsap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Vey interesting article at MetaLink I've learned that those two emotions are not mutually exclusive. If you name's not in Oracle's source code somewhere, then I'd suggest you write someone at Oracle a note. It's an easy problem for them to solve. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Oct 15-17 Dallas, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Still Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDo cument?p_d atabase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
(shaking my head) You guys are killing me. Since Microslop is going to include SQL Server Enterprise edition with every copy of Windows, Windows CE, Windows Mobile, etc, Oracle will lose considerable market share. Dozens of lawsuits will be filed, but since MS has paid off all the judges, the President, Congress (like today) it won't matter...Oracle will be history... -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:50 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L 2007 would not give enough time to complete the class time for the more rigorous OCP 256i requirements. Quit spreading false rumours. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That's interesting. I'd heard it was for OpenWorld '07. John P Weatherman Database Administrator Replacements Ltd. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually, Oracle 256i is slated for a June, 2012 release. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wow! That's the way to have your name remembered for eternity! Having your name carved in stone is one thing, but having your name embedded into the oracle source code is something much better. Jared, in a few millenniums, with Oracle 256(i?) you'll be one of the most celebrated individuals in the galaxy, standing next to Hari Seldon or Zaphod Beeblebrox. -Original Message- From: Cary Millsap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Vey interesting article at MetaLink I've learned that those two emotions are not mutually exclusive. If you name's not in Oracle's source code somewhere, then I'd suggest you write someone at Oracle a note. It's an easy problem for them to solve. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Oct 15-17 Dallas, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Still Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDo cument?p_d atabase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want
Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_database_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
I've learned that those two emotions are not mutually exclusive. If you name's not in Oracle's source code somewhere, then I'd suggest you write someone at Oracle a note. It's an easy problem for them to solve. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Oct 15-17 Dallas, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Still Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_d atabase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Jared, You should feel upset as well as flattered. In my view you have a strong case against Oracle for some form of compensation, as a minimum you should be credited in the article. Whether you can win against a big corporation is another matter of course. I and many others can confirm that the document has been on your site for at least 3 - 4 years (although they state the article to be originally dated 1998). I would certainly be in contact with Oracle about this. Perhaps a good starting point would be your sales rep or contact at wherever you are working now. John -Original Message- Sent: 10 October 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_datab ase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Reminds me of a famous quote 'Copying from one author is plagiarism, and copying from multiple authors is research' :-) Naveen -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 12:43 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_databa se_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Naveen Nahata INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Just tell them you'll happy with a small amount of acknowledgement...say, a 4-node Tru64 cluster with 9.2 rac and a year's free support. Cheers Connor --- Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_database_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). = Connor McDonald http://www.oracledba.co.uk http://www.oaktable.net Remember amateurs built the ark - Professionals built the Titanic __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: =?iso-8859-1?q?Connor=20McDonald?= INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
you put the code out in the world without a comment in it about copying is not allowed and you've made it free for the taking. Compensation isn't likely. Credit is definitely due and should be given. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, You should feel upset as well as flattered. In my view you have a strong case against Oracle for some form of compensation, as a minimum you should be credited in the article. Whether you can win against a big corporation is another matter of course. I and many others can confirm that the document has been on your site for at least 3 - 4 years (although they state the article to be originally dated 1998). I would certainly be in contact with Oracle about this. Perhaps a good starting point would be your sales rep or contact at wherever you are working now. John -Original Message- Sent: 10 October 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_datab ase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Rachel Carmichael INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
At least they TOLD me that if I ever get our Unique configuration for
Apps to work they expect me to write thier documentation for them
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Sent: 10/10/2002 2:13 AM
Dear list,
I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today.
While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across
document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to
dump a table to an ascii file.
http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_d
atabase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6
I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I
saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was
rather reminiscent of file names I use.
Further perusal revealed that the comments were written
by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to
the dump.sql script years ago.
See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql
I don't know whether to be flattered or upset.
Jared
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RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Jared, I think you have a case for at the very least getting credit for your work. It's one thing for someone to see what you've done and use the functionality like you did. It's completely something else for someone to lift all the code verbatim without even changing a comment. It just shows laziness on the Oracle analyst part. What really bothers me is that it implies the person did not even test it. If they are lazy enough to steal it, what does it say about testing procedures? Go get'em. You deserve accreditation. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_datab ase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Mercadante, Thomas F INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Not interested in compensation. Just a litte irritated that the only change to the script was to remove my name. Jared On Thursday 10 October 2002 04:08, Rachel Carmichael wrote: you put the code out in the world without a comment in it about copying is not allowed and you've made it free for the taking. Compensation isn't likely. Credit is definitely due and should be given. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, You should feel upset as well as flattered. In my view you have a strong case against Oracle for some form of compensation, as a minimum you should be credited in the article. Whether you can win against a big corporation is another matter of course. I and many others can confirm that the document has been on your site for at least 3 - 4 years (although they state the article to be originally dated 1998). I would certainly be in contact with Oracle about this. Perhaps a good starting point would be your sales rep or contact at wherever you are working now. John -Original Message- Sent: 10 October 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_data b ase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re[2]: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Jared, Should you be irritated? I've had some of the things I published on the list put out as gospel elsewhere with my name attached it's been a real pain in the ^^$. I don't know. I think I'd feel flattered and relieved that no one knows where it came from. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/10/2002 7:19 AM Not interested in compensation. Just a litte irritated that the only change to the script was to remove my name. Jared On Thursday 10 October 2002 04:08, Rachel Carmichael wrote: you put the code out in the world without a comment in it about copying is not allowed and you've made it free for the taking. Compensation isn't likely. Credit is definitely due and should be given. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, You should feel upset as well as flattered. In my view you have a strong case against Oracle for some form of compensation, as a minimum you should be credited in the article. Whether you can win against a big corporation is another matter of course. I and many others can confirm that the document has been on your site for at least 3 - 4 years (although they state the article to be originally dated 1998). I would certainly be in contact with Oracle about this. Perhaps a good starting point would be your sales rep or contact at wherever you are working now. John -Original Message- Sent: 10 October 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_data b ase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing
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Wow! That's the way to have your name remembered for eternity! Having your name carved in stone is one thing, but having your name embedded into the oracle source code is something much better. Jared, in a few millenniums, with Oracle 256(i?) you'll be one of the most celebrated individuals in the galaxy, standing next to Hari Seldon or Zaphod Beeblebrox. -Original Message- From: Cary Millsap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Vey interesting article at MetaLink I've learned that those two emotions are not mutually exclusive. If you name's not in Oracle's source code somewhere, then I'd suggest you write someone at Oracle a note. It's an easy problem for them to solve. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Oct 15-17 Dallas, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Still Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDo cument?p_d atabase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Jared, Yes, you should be both. Well, this not a legal advise, just my personal view: I would find a layer, who specialises in the intellectual property laws, sue Oracle ... and settle. Add a clause to the header, which will allow for usage of your scripts the way you mean it. For all those of you, who may be in the similar situation, here is an anecdote from my previous life. When times were less certain and rules adhered to seldom and far apart, the way to protect oneself in case of a future legal dispute was: - write (by hand) on whatever you created - seal in the envelope - send to oneself by the registered post - put into a safe without opening Sad but real. inka -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_database_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Inka Bezdziecka INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Actually, Oracle 256i is slated for a June, 2012 release. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wow! That's the way to have your name remembered for eternity! Having your name carved in stone is one thing, but having your name embedded into the oracle source code is something much better. Jared, in a few millenniums, with Oracle 256(i?) you'll be one of the most celebrated individuals in the galaxy, standing next to Hari Seldon or Zaphod Beeblebrox. -Original Message- From: Cary Millsap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Vey interesting article at MetaLink I've learned that those two emotions are not mutually exclusive. If you name's not in Oracle's source code somewhere, then I'd suggest you write someone at Oracle a note. It's an easy problem for them to solve. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Oct 15-17 Dallas, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Still Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDo cument?p_d atabase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gesler, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
RE: Re[2]: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
Dick, the difference is that Oracle is a corporation that is making money on someone else's work. they are quick to hammer the people we work for over license issues and, in this case, use someone elses work as a part of their software suite. it's not right. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Should you be irritated? I've had some of the things I published on the list put out as gospel elsewhere with my name attached it's been a real pain in the ^^$. I don't know. I think I'd feel flattered and relieved that no one knows where it came from. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/10/2002 7:19 AM Not interested in compensation. Just a litte irritated that the only change to the script was to remove my name. Jared On Thursday 10 October 2002 04:08, Rachel Carmichael wrote: you put the code out in the world without a comment in it about copying is not allowed and you've made it free for the taking. Compensation isn't likely. Credit is definitely due and should be given. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, You should feel upset as well as flattered. In my view you have a strong case against Oracle for some form of compensation, as a minimum you should be credited in the article. Whether you can win against a big corporation is another matter of course. I and many others can confirm that the document has been on your site for at least 3 - 4 years (although they state the article to be originally dated 1998). I would certainly be in contact with Oracle about this. Perhaps a good starting point would be your sales rep or contact at wherever you are working now. John -Original Message- Sent: 10 October 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_data b ase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos More http://faith.yahoo.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
That's interesting. I'd heard it was for OpenWorld '07. John P Weatherman Database Administrator Replacements Ltd. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually, Oracle 256i is slated for a June, 2012 release. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wow! That's the way to have your name remembered for eternity! Having your name carved in stone is one thing, but having your name embedded into the oracle source code is something much better. Jared, in a few millenniums, with Oracle 256(i?) you'll be one of the most celebrated individuals in the galaxy, standing next to Hari Seldon or Zaphod Beeblebrox. -Original Message- From: Cary Millsap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Vey interesting article at MetaLink I've learned that those two emotions are not mutually exclusive. If you name's not in Oracle's source code somewhere, then I'd suggest you write someone at Oracle a note. It's an easy problem for them to solve. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Oct 15-17 Dallas, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Still Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDo cument?p_d atabase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gesler, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like
RE: Re[2]: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
From Oracle's Terms of Use on Metalink... Confidentiality --- Except for information in Web sites controlled by third parties that are accessible via hyperlinks from the MetaLink Web site, the information contained in the Materials is the confidential proprietary information of Oracle. You may not use, disclose, reproduce, transmit, or otherwise copy in any form or by any means the information contained in the Materials for any purpose, other than to support your authorized use of the Oracle Programs for which you hold a supported license from Oracle, without the prior written permission of Oracle. Oracle will take reasonable measures to keep third parties from obtaining unauthorized access to Technical Assistance Requests (TARs) that you submit using the MetaLink Web site; however, Oracle does not guarantee that third parties will not have access to any information, comments, feedback, or materials that you submit to Oracle through or in association with the MetaLink Web site. Oracle claims ownership of Jared's script, which it cannot do since it does not own the copy rights. Check copyright law, but there is a strong case for copyright infringement. There is a difference between passing copyrighted material on to others (giving someone a book) and claiming ownership (Look, ma, I just wrote this great play called 'Romeo and Juliet'). If Oracle had placed a copyright notice or attibution for Jared, I think they are okay, but they are passing the script as one of their own. On the non-legal side, to me there is a big difference between being used by a corporation and used by an individual or other. Any/all of my scripts/documents on my website are available for use by anyone who so desires for their personal use. If I find that one of my presentation becomes part of Jim-Bob's Oracle Consulting Training classes, we are going to have to have a talk about fair use. Even if they preserve my copyright and/or attribution, they are using it for material gain. Since Oracle charges for support and access to Metalink, there may be a case. If they had posted it to OTN or Oracle Mag, which is free to use, it is another story. Go Get 'Em Jared! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dick, the difference is that Oracle is a corporation that is making money on someone else's work. they are quick to hammer the people we work for over license issues and, in this case, use someone elses work as a part of their software suite. it's not right. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Should you be irritated? I've had some of the things I published on the list put out as gospel elsewhere with my name attached it's been a real pain in the ^^$. I don't know. I think I'd feel flattered and relieved that no one knows where it came from. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/10/2002 7:19 AM Not interested in compensation. Just a litte irritated that the only change to the script was to remove my name. Jared On Thursday 10 October 2002 04:08, Rachel Carmichael wrote: you put the code out in the world without a comment in it about copying is not allowed and you've made it free for the taking. Compensation isn't likely. Credit is definitely due and should be given. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, You should feel upset as well as flattered. In my view you have a strong case against Oracle for some form of compensation, as a minimum you should be credited in the article. Whether you can win against a big corporation is another matter of course. I and many others can confirm that the document has been on your site for at least 3 - 4 years (although they state the article to be originally dated 1998). I would certainly be in contact with Oracle about this. Perhaps a good starting point would be your sales rep or contact at wherever you are working now. John -Original Message- Sent: 10 October 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_data b ase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql
RE: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
2007 would not give enough time to complete the class time for the more rigorous OCP 256i requirements. Quit spreading false rumours. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:28 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L That's interesting. I'd heard it was for OpenWorld '07. John P Weatherman Database Administrator Replacements Ltd. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:04 PM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Actually, Oracle 256i is slated for a June, 2012 release. -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:39 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Wow! That's the way to have your name remembered for eternity! Having your name carved in stone is one thing, but having your name embedded into the oracle source code is something much better. Jared, in a few millenniums, with Oracle 256(i?) you'll be one of the most celebrated individuals in the galaxy, standing next to Hari Seldon or Zaphod Beeblebrox. -Original Message- From: Cary Millsap [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:58 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Subject: RE: Vey interesting article at MetaLink I've learned that those two emotions are not mutually exclusive. If you name's not in Oracle's source code somewhere, then I'd suggest you write someone at Oracle a note. It's an easy problem for them to solve. Cary Millsap Hotsos Enterprises, Ltd. http://www.hotsos.com Upcoming events: - Hotsos Clinic, Oct 15-17 Dallas, Dec 9-11 Honolulu - 2003 Hotsos Symposium on OracleR System Performance, Feb 9-12 Dallas - Jonathan Lewis' Optimising Oracle, Nov 19-21 Dallas -Original Message- Still Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 2:13 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDo cument?p_d atabase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the temporary file name of '_dtmp.sql', which was rather reminiscent of file names I use. Further perusal revealed that the comments were written by yours truly, and match word for word those I added to the dump.sql script years ago. See for yourself: http://www.cybcon.com/~jkstill/util/zips/dump.sql I don't know whether to be flattered or upset. Jared -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Jared Still INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Cary Millsap INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gogala, Mladen INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing). -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Gesler, Rich INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- 858-538-5051 http://www.fatcity.com San Diego, California-- Mailing list and web hosting services - To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message
Re: Re[2]: Verrrry interesting article at MetaLink
I agree! Stick it to 'em. They do it to us all the time. Ruth - Original Message - To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:24 PM From Oracle's Terms of Use on Metalink... Confidentiality --- Except for information in Web sites controlled by third parties that are accessible via hyperlinks from the MetaLink Web site, the information contained in the Materials is the confidential proprietary information of Oracle. You may not use, disclose, reproduce, transmit, or otherwise copy in any form or by any means the information contained in the Materials for any purpose, other than to support your authorized use of the Oracle Programs for which you hold a supported license from Oracle, without the prior written permission of Oracle. Oracle will take reasonable measures to keep third parties from obtaining unauthorized access to Technical Assistance Requests (TARs) that you submit using the MetaLink Web site; however, Oracle does not guarantee that third parties will not have access to any information, comments, feedback, or materials that you submit to Oracle through or in association with the MetaLink Web site. Oracle claims ownership of Jared's script, which it cannot do since it does not own the copy rights. Check copyright law, but there is a strong case for copyright infringement. There is a difference between passing copyrighted material on to others (giving someone a book) and claiming ownership (Look, ma, I just wrote this great play called 'Romeo and Juliet'). If Oracle had placed a copyright notice or attibution for Jared, I think they are okay, but they are passing the script as one of their own. On the non-legal side, to me there is a big difference between being used by a corporation and used by an individual or other. Any/all of my scripts/documents on my website are available for use by anyone who so desires for their personal use. If I find that one of my presentation becomes part of Jim-Bob's Oracle Consulting Training classes, we are going to have to have a talk about fair use. Even if they preserve my copyright and/or attribution, they are using it for material gain. Since Oracle charges for support and access to Metalink, there may be a case. If they had posted it to OTN or Oracle Mag, which is free to use, it is another story. Go Get 'Em Jared! -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:09 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dick, the difference is that Oracle is a corporation that is making money on someone else's work. they are quick to hammer the people we work for over license issues and, in this case, use someone elses work as a part of their software suite. it's not right. Tom Mercadante Oracle Certified Professional -Original Message- Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:45 AM To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Jared, Should you be irritated? I've had some of the things I published on the list put out as gospel elsewhere with my name attached it's been a real pain in the ^^$. I don't know. I think I'd feel flattered and relieved that no one knows where it came from. Dick Goulet Reply Separator Author: Jared Still [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/10/2002 7:19 AM Not interested in compensation. Just a litte irritated that the only change to the script was to remove my name. Jared On Thursday 10 October 2002 04:08, Rachel Carmichael wrote: you put the code out in the world without a comment in it about copying is not allowed and you've made it free for the taking. Compensation isn't likely. Credit is definitely due and should be given. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jared, You should feel upset as well as flattered. In my view you have a strong case against Oracle for some form of compensation, as a minimum you should be credited in the article. Whether you can win against a big corporation is another matter of course. I and many others can confirm that the document has been on your site for at least 3 - 4 years (although they state the article to be originally dated 1998). I would certainly be in contact with Oracle about this. Perhaps a good starting point would be your sales rep or contact at wherever you are working now. John -Original Message- Sent: 10 October 2002 08:13 To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L Dear list, I found something rather interesting on MetaLink today. While doing a little research on UTL_FILE, I came across document # 1050919.6. This document deals with how to dump a table to an ascii file. http://metalink.oracle.com/metalink/plsql/ml2_documents.showDocument?p_data b ase_id=NOTp_id=1050919.6 I began to think the code looked a little familiar. Then I saw the
ot: Interesting article on GPL (open source license model)
http://www.newscientist.com/hottopics/copyleft/copyleftart.jsp Sam Bootsma, OCP Technical Support Analyst CPAS Systems Inc. 416-422-0563 x237 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cpas.com -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Sam Bootsma INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Fwd: Interesting article from a canadian newspaper
!! Please do not post Off Topic to this List !!This article is awesome Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:43:05 -0600 From: Christopher Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: Navidec X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.77 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en To: Samuel Schetter [EMAIL PROTECTED], david himelein [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], Shawn Conner [EMAIL PROTECTED], Pat Dvorak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Interesting article from a canadian newspaper This is from a Canadian newspaper and IS worth sharing... America: The Good Neighbor. Widespread but only partial news coverage was given recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television commentator. What follows is the full text of his broadcast. This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least appreciated people on all the earth. Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of these countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States. When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, it was the Americans who propped it up, and their reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. Nobody helped. The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, warmongering Americans. I'd like to see just one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the International lines except Russia fly American Planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy, and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy, and you find men on the moon - not once, but several times - and safely home again. You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at. Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. When the railways of France, Germany and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both are still broke. I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get kicked around. They will come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of those. -- Please see the official ORACLE-L FAQ: http://www.orafaq.com -- Author: Bill Conner INET: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fat City Network Services-- (858) 538-5051 FAX: (858) 538-5051 San Diego, California-- Public Internet access / Mailing Lists To REMOVE yourself from this mailing list, send an E-Mail message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (note EXACT spelling of 'ListGuru') and in the message BODY, include a line containing: UNSUB ORACLE-L (or the name of mailing list you want to be removed from). You may also send the HELP command for other information (like subscribing).
Re: Interesting article on ongoing RedHat-Oracle feuding.
I get an error There was an error displaying this link. when I tried to view it. Terry Charles Wolfe wrote: Red Hat to play in Oracle's arena June 19, 2001, 5:50 p.m. PT http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6325676.html?tag=st.ne.1003.saslnk.saseml The Linux seller will announce new database software next week, hoping to whittle away at Oracle the same way it has with Microsoft.
RE: Interesting article on ongoing RedHat-Oracle feuding.
This should work now. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6325676.html?tag=st.ne.1003.saslnk.saseml
RE: Interesting article on ongoing RedHat-Oracle feuding.
doesnt look too promising for RH to "certify" oracle running on it. Such is the life of a hacker(in the good way, not a cracker), making stuff run on unsupported platforms :) joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/22/01 11:05AM This should work now. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6325676.html?tag=st.ne.1003.saslnk.saseml
RE: Interesting article on ongoing RedHat-Oracle feuding.
It does work, but izzit anything more than vaporware? Is there any reason for "more" open source db ware? Why not perk up MySQL or Interbase? I don't get tingles from this, actually -Original Message-From: Wolfe, Charles [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 11:06 AMTo: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-LSubject: RE: Interesting article on ongoing RedHat-Oracle feuding. This should work now. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6325676.html?tag=st.ne.1003.saslnk.saseml
Interesting article on ongoing RedHat-Oracle feuding.
Red Hat to play in Oracle's arenaJune 19, 2001, 5:50 p.m. PThttp://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6325676.html?tag=st.ne.1003.saslnk.sasemlThe Linux seller will announce new database software next week, hoping towhittle away at Oracle the same way it has with Microsoft.
