RE: internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread Igor Neyman
You gather it wrong :)
Oracle stores date in 8 bytes, one for each: year, month, day, hour,
min, ... etc.

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Droogendyk, Harry
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Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days
since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use
to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.

What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.

Thanks. 
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Re: internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread Peter Gram
Igor

Sorry but Oracle uses 7 bytes for a date

century (1 byte)
year (1 byte)
month (1 byte)
day (1 byte)
hour (1 byte)
minute (1 byte)
second (1 byte)
SQL desc d
Name  Null?Type
-  

D  DATE

SQL col dump format a40
SQL select to_char(d, 'dd mon  hh24:mi:ss'), dump(d) dump from d;
TO_CHAR(D,'DDMON DUMP
 
05 may 0001 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 100,101,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 0100 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 101,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 0500 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 105,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 1000 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 110,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 1500 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 115,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 1999 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 119,199,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 2000 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 120,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 2100 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 121,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 2500 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 125,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 2600 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 126,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 2900 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 129,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 3000 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 130,100,5,5,16,31,46
12 rows selected.

/peter

Igor Neyman wrote:

You gather it wrong :)
Oracle stores date in 8 bytes, one for each: year, month, day, hour,
min, ... etc.
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Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days
since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use
to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.
What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.
Thanks. 
 

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RE: internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Harry,

Can you explain why you need to raw internal value?  Just curious.

Tom Mercadante
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You gather it wrong :)
Oracle stores date in 8 bytes, one for each: year, month, day, hour,
min, ... etc.

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days
since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use
to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.

What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.

Thanks. 
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RE: internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread Droogendyk, Harry
Thomas:

I'm a SAS guy who must pull Oracle data from the back-end DB.

SAS stores dates internally as elapsed days since Jan 1, 1960.  If I request
an Oracle date field, SAS creates a datetime variable, number of seconds
since midnight Jan 1, 1960.  Rather than use SAS functions to extract the
date ( e.g. datepart function ), I'd like to push that back to Oracle if
possible and create a simple date field on SAS.  I can accomplish the
desired effect with:

  select date_fld - to_date('01Jan1960','ddmon') as sas_date

but I was hoping there was an Oracle function to surface the internal value
( appears to be days since Jan 1, 1968 ).  Presumably such a function would
be more efficient.

Thanks for your help.

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Harry,

Can you explain why you need to raw internal value?  Just curious.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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You gather it wrong :)
Oracle stores date in 8 bytes, one for each: year, month, day, hour,
min, ... etc.

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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Droogendyk, Harry
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:40 PM
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Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days
since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use
to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.

What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.

Thanks. 
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RE: internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread DENNIS WILLIAMS
Harry
   This list is moving to freelists, but I'll assume you knew that.

Actually the base value for the standard Oracle dates is Jan 1, 4712 BC.
There is a Julian function that will return the number of days since the
base. To return the Julian, 
select to_char(sysdate,'J') from dual;
Also, Oracle9i has some new date types and you may find one that works
better for your purposes:
http://otn.oracle.com/products/oracle9i/daily/may02.html

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Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.

What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.

Thanks. 
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RE: internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread Igor Neyman
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Igor

Sorry but Oracle uses 7 bytes for a date

century (1 byte)
year (1 byte)
month (1 byte)
day (1 byte)
hour (1 byte)
minute (1 byte)
second (1 byte)

SQL desc d
 Name  Null?Type
 -  

 D  DATE

SQL col dump format a40
SQL select to_char(d, 'dd mon  hh24:mi:ss'), dump(d) dump from d;

TO_CHAR(D,'DDMON DUMP
 
05 may 0001 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 100,101,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 0100 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 101,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 0500 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 105,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 1000 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 110,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 1500 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 115,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 1999 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 119,199,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 2000 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 120,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 2100 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 121,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 2500 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 125,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 2600 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 126,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 2900 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 129,100,5,5,16,31,46
05 may 3000 15:30:45 Typ=12 Len=7: 130,100,5,5,16,31,46

12 rows selected.

/peter

Igor Neyman wrote:

You gather it wrong :)
Oracle stores date in 8 bytes, one for each: year, month, day, hour,
min, ... etc.

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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:40 PM
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Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days
since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use
to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.

What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.

Thanks. 
  


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RE: internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread Droogendyk, Harry
Thomas:

I'm aware of the to_char function and the various options.  However as you
alluded to, that lands in SAS as a character literal, e.g.  '22/01/2004'
requiring me to convert it to internal format before I can use it in SAS.

I think I have to use my work around:

   select date_fld - to_date('01Jan1960','ddmon') as sas_date

Thanks for your time and help.

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Harry,

Look at the to_char function in Oracle.  It will convert a date field to
*any* format you want.

for example:

select to_char(date_field,'mm/dd/ hh24miss') will return a date in the
format as noted.  You have about as many options as you probably need.  You
can combine as many format and functions as you think you need.

to_char translates dates to chars and to_date does the opposite - but both
use the same format statements.

This should work fine for you.

And for you info - Oracle dates are stored internally based on a date going
back many centuries - not just to 1968!

Good Luck

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Thomas:

I'm a SAS guy who must pull Oracle data from the back-end DB.

SAS stores dates internally as elapsed days since Jan 1, 1960.  If I request
an Oracle date field, SAS creates a datetime variable, number of seconds
since midnight Jan 1, 1960.  Rather than use SAS functions to extract the
date ( e.g. datepart function ), I'd like to push that back to Oracle if
possible and create a simple date field on SAS.  I can accomplish the
desired effect with:

  select date_fld - to_date('01Jan1960','ddmon') as sas_date

but I was hoping there was an Oracle function to surface the internal value
( appears to be days since Jan 1, 1968 ).  Presumably such a function would
be more efficient.

Thanks for your help.

-Original Message-
Sent: January 23, 2004 2:50 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list ORACLE-L


Harry,

Can you explain why you need to raw internal value?  Just curious.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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You gather it wrong :)
Oracle stores date in 8 bytes, one for each: year, month, day, hour,
min, ... etc.

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:40 PM
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Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days
since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use
to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.

What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.

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RE: internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread Droogendyk, Harry
Thanks to all who replied with helpful comments, pointers, links etc...

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Harry
   This list is moving to freelists, but I'll assume you knew that.

Actually the base value for the standard Oracle dates is Jan 1, 4712 BC.
There is a Julian function that will return the number of days since the
base. To return the Julian, 
select to_char(sysdate,'J') from dual;
Also, Oracle9i has some new date types and you may find one that works
better for your purposes:
http://otn.oracle.com/products/oracle9i/daily/may02.html

Dennis Williams
DBA
Lifetouch, Inc.
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Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.

What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.

Thanks. 
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RE: internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F


Tom Mercadante
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Thomas:

I'm a SAS guy who must pull Oracle data from the back-end DB.

SAS stores dates internally as elapsed days since Jan 1, 1960.  If I request
an Oracle date field, SAS creates a datetime variable, number of seconds
since midnight Jan 1, 1960.  Rather than use SAS functions to extract the
date ( e.g. datepart function ), I'd like to push that back to Oracle if
possible and create a simple date field on SAS.  I can accomplish the
desired effect with:

  select date_fld - to_date('01Jan1960','ddmon') as sas_date

but I was hoping there was an Oracle function to surface the internal value
( appears to be days since Jan 1, 1968 ).  Presumably such a function would
be more efficient.

Thanks for your help.

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Harry,

Can you explain why you need to raw internal value?  Just curious.

Tom Mercadante
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You gather it wrong :)
Oracle stores date in 8 bytes, one for each: year, month, day, hour,
min, ... etc.

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
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Droogendyk, Harry
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Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days
since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use
to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.

What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.

Thanks. 
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RE: internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread Mercadante, Thomas F
Harry,

Look at the to_char function in Oracle.  It will convert a date field to
*any* format you want.

for example:

select to_char(date_field,'mm/dd/ hh24miss') will return a date in the
format as noted.  You have about as many options as you probably need.  You
can combine as many format and functions as you think you need.

to_char translates dates to chars and to_date does the opposite - but both
use the same format statements.

This should work fine for you.

And for you info - Oracle dates are stored internally based on a date going
back many centuries - not just to 1968!

Good Luck

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 3:09 PM
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Thomas:

I'm a SAS guy who must pull Oracle data from the back-end DB.

SAS stores dates internally as elapsed days since Jan 1, 1960.  If I request
an Oracle date field, SAS creates a datetime variable, number of seconds
since midnight Jan 1, 1960.  Rather than use SAS functions to extract the
date ( e.g. datepart function ), I'd like to push that back to Oracle if
possible and create a simple date field on SAS.  I can accomplish the
desired effect with:

  select date_fld - to_date('01Jan1960','ddmon') as sas_date

but I was hoping there was an Oracle function to surface the internal value
( appears to be days since Jan 1, 1968 ).  Presumably such a function would
be more efficient.

Thanks for your help.

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Sent: January 23, 2004 2:50 PM
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Harry,

Can you explain why you need to raw internal value?  Just curious.

Tom Mercadante
Oracle Certified Professional


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You gather it wrong :)
Oracle stores date in 8 bytes, one for each: year, month, day, hour,
min, ... etc.

Igor Neyman, OCP DBA
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Droogendyk, Harry
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:40 PM
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Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days
since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use
to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.

What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.

Thanks. 
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internal date value

2004-01-23 Thread Droogendyk, Harry
Folks:

From what I gather, Oracle stores dates as the number of elapsed days since
Jan 1, 1968.  When I query a column of type 'DATE', it returns me the
default format, dd-mon-yy.  I know I can use to_char(date_col,'MMDD')
etc... to define many output formats.

What can I do to get the raw internal value of the date?  i.e. today is
13172.

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