Re: [OGD] Greenhouse venting/fans
Tennis, I can of three significant objections to mounting a fan in the roof: 1) maintenance will be a real P.I.T.A., 2) the fan and its housing will block light 3) how do you shutter the fan when it is off, especially in winter, when it won't run much at all. I went with a very large exhaust fan in the upper reaches of the north end. There's enough mixing of the air due to the circulation fans that stratification is not an issue. Ray Barkalow - First Rays Orchids - www.firstrays.comPlants, Supplies, Artwork, Books and Lots of Free Info! ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] CHC
Let me rephrase what I said about CHC breaking down within a year. Not all of it has; not even from the same batch. All I meant to say was that CHC is not completely resistant (or more resistant than bark) to breakdown from every fungus type out there. I didn't have it tested to find out what it was, but it certainly degraded the CHC to dust in some pots within a year. Physan does remedy that situation. I grow under hot, humid conditions most of the year in South Carolina, USA. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Question about "Systemics"
Richard, I have used Bonide only once on my orchids with good success. I reasoned that since the media was so porous, that I would mix it with water and feed it to the orchid plants that way. I used enough water to thoroughly dissolve the product, considering the label directions for pot dosage and the amount of water I would be watering each pot with, the number of pots I wanted to treat, etc. It got rid of the pests... and no recurrence. And the plants showed no stress from the treatment. To be legal, I am not sure if it is labeled for orchids. Barbara I am questioning if anyone has experience and/or information to share with regard to the use systemic insect control for orchids -- specifically Bonide Di-syston, which is applied dry as a powder and watered in. The same is asked about the use of systemic fungicide sold as Dragon 3336 WP containing Thiophanate-methyl 50% Richard Orr Monroe CT ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Gram scriptum
I have a mature Gram. scriptum I acquired about 5 months ago. It is showing two new healthy growths, but this plant has a nasty habit of secreting honeydew copiously on the undersides of its leaves. I noticed this early on and immediately suspected spider mites, scale, aphids or some other ilk that likes to poop the sticky stuff. There was no sign of any pest. I recently noticed it is growing black sooty mold now on the goo and cleaned it up entirely with an old, soft toothbrush and treated it with safers in case there were some unseen pests. The leaves look like they have spider damage, but there were no signs or residue of spider mite activity. Have any of you had similar experiences with this species? Barbara Central Wis, where spring is springing, the nobiles are blooming or in spike and the odd onc. and milt are budding out. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Plant Police and Miami
The WOC in Miami offers the perfect opportunity and impetus for a full review of US orchid importation/processing laws and their implementation. The AOS would be the logicall operating arm to get this done. Anyone want to take bets on whether anything gets done prior to 2008? Jerry in IN ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Clearance of plants through Miami.
Title: Clearance of plants through Miami. I would like Murray to state some concrete details re clearing plants through MIA and I will check them. We import more than 100,000 plants each week through MIA, with correct paperwork and we scarcely ever wait more than 12 hours for their release. Miami is the most efficient and experienced orchid handling port in the United States and a pleasure to work with. Now, if you are bringing in some dodgy plants with incorrect paperwork, maybe you will encounter problems. Maybe you should encounter problems! Andy Easton ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] any encyclia with non-resupinate flowers ?
Thanks Sandra [T. Hardy] for clarifying the fact that the flowers of your plant of Encyclia naranjapatensis are resupinate. Species, formerly included in the genus Encyclia and having non-resupinate flowers, have been moved to the genus Prosthechea. See : http://www.selby.org/index.php?src=gendocs&link=oic_prosthe&category=Research So the flower on the photo at http://www.orchidspecies.com/encnaranjapatae.htm is presumably upside down Regards, Viateur ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] losing my plants
I was one of a group of four who bought plants at the WOC using one Canadian import permit. The French officials didnt want to see the import permit and just issued our CITES and phyto permits. On arriving at Toronto all our plants were held as the papers were deemed incorrect. (We were not the only ones coming back from the WOC that lost plants) Seems the phyto didnt mention that the plants were free of a potato ward virus. The papers werent done in the name on the import permit. The flasks didnt have a phyto. Canada doesnt recognize the EU for exporting orchids - the papers must name each country separately. Our import permit originally asked to import from all countries but they changed that to France, then complained that we were importing plants that originated in Denmark and Italy and Taiwan. We had some export permits and they should have been re-export permits as the plants had been imported into France. And so on - every time we try to fix one paper problem, another pops up. Like they have decided that the plants are not going to be released. Nobody wants to check the plants - it is the paper that needs to have all the i's dotted correctly. I am very miffed that the process is slanted so that the least experienced, me, is required to be the expert to make sure that everything is filled out correctly and that if the officials omit something, it is I that pays the price. It is not shirts that I am importing, it is living organisms that requires a system in place that can quickly resolve the issues, something else that seems to be lacking. If you want people to comply by the rules, you must have a system in place that works to provide support. Maybe the system works for large scale, experienced importers but it doesnt work for tourists who just want to shop for a few plants from different vendors. If it had just been us, I might have accepted that we were just stupid but it seems to have happened to a lot of others coming back from the WOC through Toronto. All I can be thankful for is that I didnt see anything to entice me to go on a buying spree. -- _ Jerry Bolce email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Orchid House - http://retirees.uwaterloo.ca/~jerry/orchids/ COOS - http://www.coos.ca/ COC - http://www.CanadianOrchidCongress.ca/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Confiscated plants from Dijon.
Title: Confiscated plants from Dijon. Jerry, I am sorry to hear you lost your plants due to bureaucratic ineptness. But that's what happens when incompetent people organize world events and truly, the warning signals were out well before the Dijon Debacle. The "Dragon Lady's" famous line "I don't do Economy on overnight flights" means she flies round the world, Business Class or better as Chairman of the WOC Trust, supposedly checking all these things out. Guess the gin and tonics must divert her from the task at hand. Well she is no longer in the chair and Pete Furniss pays his own way, so that in itself is worthy progress. But keep the discussion going and see if these matters can be resolved once and for all. You can be sure that Miami will have a much better system in place than the previous WOC Trust Chairman OK'd in Dijon. Andy Easton ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Greenhouse venting/fans
Tennis, You do not want to mount the fans in the roof of your greenhouse as maintenance would be a pain. One of the best designs I saw in a greenhouse had roof vents like many greenhouse, but had several swamp coolers around the base with the fans blowing the air in over the pads. They had two thermostats one to turn on the fans for ventilation and another to turn on the water flowing through the pads. They had excessive capacity for their greenhouse to make sure it stayed as cool as possible in the summer. The roof vents were controlled by same thermostat as turned on the fans. I agree the standard of having the cooling pads on one end and the vents on the other is not the best idea. I did it in my greenhouse and I have been trying to redo it in recent years to something to allow more air flow over the plants. I also use misting over my plants to both provide cooling and additional humidity. We have less humidity here in Iowa than you do in Ohio. One thing I have added to my greenhouse is standard roof top cyclone vents. I found they help pull out the heat on very warm days. They are also there incase of a power failure to vent the greenhouse. Good luck with the greenhouse are you sure 24 x 12 is large enough. My greenhouse is 14 x 32, too big in 1984 and too small in 2004. Tom At 1:24 AM -0500 3/30/05, tennis wrote: As I enter the final stages in what seems to be an endless period of planning for a new greenhouse, I am attempting to finalize such design details as air flow/venting and heating, etc. I would like to hear from anyone knowledgeable and experienced in this area. It has occurred to me the most effective way to vent an overwarm 24' x 12' greenhouse in the summer here in Ohio would be to put the venting fans venting through the peak roof of the GH as near the center of the structure as possible, and have vents all around the edges, at floor level and bench level. Sort of the 'whole house attic exhaust fan' idea. Of course, steps would have to be taken to keep the rain off, but other than that, any reasons why this wouldn't be the best method for venting heat, and having air flow over all of the plants in the GH? I will have three levels of plants (floor, bench, and above-bench shelf + hanging) and the normal 'vent at one end, fans at other', at bench height just doesn't seem to fit. I had planned on a wetwall for cooling, but have decided misters in front of intake vents would be as good and easier to manage, which enables the vents to be spread out as well. Tennis Maynard ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com -- --Tom / | Tom HillsonAgriculture Computer Services Manager |(515) 294-1543 College of Agriculture | Iowa State University - |"The only thing I have too much of is too little time" ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] RE: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 160
Peter Croezen from Canada wrote >One thing the rest of the orchid world can do, and that is to make certain that >>>France >never appears again on any future list of prospective WOC host countries. Peter It seems that you're pretty excited about what happened to some vendors at the WOC, I don't know if you have some personal involvment with some orchid producer(s) present there, what explains your excitement, nevertheless I agree with you on some of the "charges" BUT then again succesfull orchidshows are often successfull because the organisers are becoming more and more experienced, In France they simply don't have this kind of experience. Now on serious note I all Invite you to visit the site below: http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=21446 Make sure that the rest of the world knows that Canada is continuing to kill seals Boycott Canadian seafood!!! Uri Baruk France ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Emilie Vouga
Dear OGDers, in Issue 154 mr. Peter O'Byrne placed the readers of the OGD in several groups. Well, I'm in group H because I "collect" orchid literature. That is not on a professional scale but just for fun. Some time ago I managed to buy a gorgeous set of plates, complete with the protective cover. It's a set of 6 large plates depicting tropical orchids including 2 Stanhopeas. The set is called: Les orchidees 1 Serie 6 plances. The paintings are made by Emilie Vouga from Switzerland. There is no date to be found on the cover nor the plates. Is there anyone who can give me some information about the artist. I allready know that the set is really rare. This is what I allraedy know about Emilie Vouga. (Mr. Rudolf Jenny kindly supplied the information.) Emilie Vouga (born Prades), Vevey, Switzerland 1840 - 1909, artist and founder of the publishing company VOUGA. She published her drawings as: Flora Alpina, Geneva Fleurs des Hautes Alpes, Geneva Le champs et les bois, Geneva Orchidees des Hautes-Alpes, Basel (1883) Anything you can tell me about this artist or about her drawings would be very welcome. Kind regards from The Netherlands (where it is raining again!) Bert van Zuylen ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] I wonder how many people have saved .......
"You can be sure that Miami will have a much better system in place than the previous WOC Trust Chairman OK'd in Dijon." (Andy Easton, Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 162) Cheers Jerry in IN ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Importation of Exotic Orchids through Miami
Jerry: You should try coming to the Redlands Fair in Miami May 13-15. Representatives of the USDA are on hand to issue paperwork in a professional manner, there will be a lot more vendors than were at Dijon, especially from overseas, and, besides, it's a lot closer. My experiences, as a small time importer through Miami, are similar to Andy's. Ag Inspection here is extremely fast and courteous. They are primarily concerned about protecting the country against imported disease. If an "actionable" problem is encountered, as occasionally happens under the best of circumstances, they actually take the trouble to demonstrate to the importer exactly what the problem is, and what remedy is mandated. This may be due in part to the fact that their relatively large staff contains a lot of expertise. I get the impression that many of the confiscatory actions of other inspection stations are based on lack of expertise and a policy of erring on the side of caution.Bert Pressman ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Redlands.
Title: Redlands. This is a fun event, not really an orchid show as much as it is a fair with lots of good food, conviviality and a terrific selection of reasonably priced orchids available at a time of year just ideal for getting them established easily in their new homes. The convenience of having inspectors on site for the necessary export paperwork should not be underestimated either. Plus it shows the depth of experience in the Miami area orchid community when even an event like this has better Phytosanitary issuing facilities than a WOC in France. Andy Easton ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] RE: When Cattleya must be repot
Red coloration on some Cattleya-alliance plants, such as Bl. Richard Muller and its hybrids, and in certain other other hard-leafed orchids such as some mule-ear Oncidiums, is indicative that they are grown in healthy high-light conditions. Bonaventure Magrys Cliffwood Beach, NJ USA zone 7 where the first Cymbidiums were put outdoore this week. Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 09:10:28 -0400 From: "Cesar Fernandez" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] RE: When Cattleya must be repot To: Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello all: There are visual symptoms, which can help to repot Cattleyas and their allianced. Basically, when the leaves take a red color accompanied with dehydration (specially on the oldest leaves). This is an unambiguous symptom that media where a cattleya is placed is damage and all nutrients you apply will be fixed. This red color (no natural flavenoids) is not normal and is called physiologic desease. The media become with some alga or moss. Repot them simply. Particular info: Now I'm writing my second book, about Venezuelan Cattleyas called "TRAVELING FOR THE VENEZUELAN CATTLEYAS" whose plubication is estimated for the next year with a good format (hard cover) and full color with many outstandind clones. Saludos desde Venezuela and buen cultivo; César Fernández Avenida España Urbanización Campo Alegre Nº 0-229 San Cristóbal, Estado Táchira- Venezuela Cell: 0414-706.6509 Phone: 011-58-276-356.3830 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] RE: greenhouse design
OrchidSafari just held a 3-4 part discussion on GH design, I think I have it all online: http://www.geocities.com/brassia.geo/OSTA.html Hope it helps. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Oryzalin
Anyone have any information on how oryzalin acts to induce polyploidy? AFAIK its an herbicide. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Is your PC infected? Get a FREE online computer virus scan from McAfee® Security. http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Change to mendelian genetics
http://news.uns.purdue.edu/hp/Pruitt.inheritance.html As reported in Nature, scientists at Purdue University found that when genetically altered Arabdopsis plants were selfed about 10% of the offspring reverted to a 'normal' genotype, leading to speculation that RNA somehow corrects the DNA message. As Spock would say: 'Intriguing'. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
RE: [OGD] Change to mendelian genetics
Can't fool Mother Nature? li'l frog -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of K Barrett Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:04 PM To: Orchids@orchidguide.com Subject: [OGD] Change to mendelian genetics http://news.uns.purdue.edu/hp/Pruitt.inheritance.html As reported in Nature, scientists at Purdue University found that when genetically altered Arabdopsis plants were selfed about 10% of the offspring reverted to a 'normal' genotype, leading to speculation that RNA somehow corrects the DNA message. As Spock would say: 'Intriguing'. K Barrett N Calif, USA _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Gram scriptum
Ah join the club of those of us that have to deal with the joys of fumagina". Water and soap to wich some bicarbonate that is used for upset stomach is the best way to go with it. Also increase the light levels under which the plant is grown. Jose ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Plant Police and the MIAMI WOC
If the last WOC celebrated at Miami is a model of what can be done : the organizers will ask the help of the USDA and coordinate efforts with all the exhibitors and buyers from outside the US so their importation documentation and processes go smooth. It was done then, It can be done now. Jose ( Ah the eternal optimist speaks) ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Oryzalin
"K Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spaketh thusly: > Anyone have any information on how oryzalin acts to induce polyploidy? > AFAIK its an herbicide. Oryzalin (Surflan) is a dinitroaniline herbicide with very low toxicity (LD50 >5,000 mg/kg in rodents, >1000 mg/kg in dogs), a negative Ames test, but a possible carcinogen. It is used as a selective, pre-emergence herbicide for grasses and weeds. It inhibits spindle formation in the meristem at low concentrations, and in the field (i.e., at concentrations consistent with the rate of application for which it is labeled) this will serve to block cell division, killing the meristem. It has been used to replace the rather nastier colchicine which, if my understanding is correct, also inhibits spindle fiber formation. Unsurprisingly, it is not labeled for use in ploidy modification. However, it has been used as such. http://www.liliumbreeding.nl/tulipa/oryza_taka.pdf The herbicide trifluralin (Treflan) has been used as well. Also a dinitroaniline herbicide, trifluralin has a similar toxicity profile, although there are some better data to support it being a carcinogen. Cheers, -AJHicks Chandler, AZ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Ventilation.
Title: Ventilation. In my experience, it's always better to run an exhaust fan in the South end of a greenhouse roof as the intake air from the North side of the greenhouse is always a few degrees cooler. In the Northern Hemisphere of course! Using a Ludvig-Svensson shade cloth as a barrier between the plant area and the upper reaches of the greenhouse roof will also greatly improve the effectiveness of an exhaust fan. You do not need any mixing of the air in this situation as the cooler air is closest to your plants and the heat arising from solar conversion is higher up in the exhaust zone. Andy Easton ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Dendrobium kingianum
Hello all, A few questions for our Australian list members... I "fairly recently" bought & read "Dendrobium kingianum: A Unique Australian Orchid". In this book they mention a group called "Hastings Kingianum Growers Group": do they still exist ? Anybody have contact details for them ? Are they still (10 odd years after the book was published) actively line breeding D. kingianum ? On another note does anybody know where I can lay my hands on the following clones ? purple-type: D. kingianum "Karl Marx" D. kingianum "Purple Cascades" D. kingianum "Inferno" D. kingianum "Beetroot HKGG" silcockii-type: D. kingianum "Big Foot J.Mc.M. Purple Lip" D. kingianum "Hirsch's Silcockii" D. kingianum "Purple Purity" D. kingianum "Sue" kind regards, Kenneth. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] WOC Dijon, treatment of vendors (part 1)
I understand how embarrassed Uri Baruk probably is about all that happened at the WOC held in his country, France. Whether he agrees or disagrees with the vendor's claims neither matters, nor does it make them go away. I do know a few vendors who were at Dijon. One of them happens to be a friend, who just told me this morning that he knows the source of David Hunt's OGD post and that ALL ELEVEN VENDOR COMPLAINTS in it are true. I believe my WOC Dijon vendor friend. Uri's disagreement with some of the 11 claims is meaningless. Let him tell us which ones are not true. Actually what happened to my friend and other vendors at the WOC in Dijon is worse than David's post tells us. Here are just a few statements from my vendor friend: >Yes, all is true and unfortunatelly I was the "xxx country" vendor!!! >I had sold a good amount in pre-orders so I could deliver them at the WOC. >These customers came and went in the first five days, and I did not have my >plants to deliver to them, for my plants were held up for 5 days. I also lost the >money I paid for transport of these "lost" sales. >I lost 5 days selling at the show, for the 1st selling day starts during the work >on the displays and everything. These would have been the best days, because >all the hobbyists were there during the 5 days of the CONGRESS. We received >our plants just after the congress .>As for the one who wrote the vendor complaints to David Hunt, (and I know who >it is,) we had contracted the same Freight Broker (indicated by the WOC organization, >a company called ZIEGLER FRANCE), we sent by freight 5.000 plants and when we >left our country we received by e.mail our Import Permit, but the original one?? >Who knows where it is >We brought with us another 60 plants for a friend who had the import permit already >done and when we arrived in Dijon we asked for customs to check the plants, we >paid the taxes and started selling the few plants we had. After 3 days the customs >came and told us that we could not continue selling, because they did not have the >origial import permit. (They did not have the one we gave them the 1st day). >After the weekend, they finally found the Import Permit and we started selling again. continued in next post ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Fw: WOC Dijon, treatment of vendors (part 2)
>Most of the foreign sellers had big problems; some could not receive their plants at all >and knew they would have BIG BIG problems because the costs for this show were >very very high. >Also some people had paid to have a sales stand and when they arrived were told: >"No,.. the value you paid was only for registration, you do not have a stand. Can you > believe this? We helped one person by letting her sell from our table. >All things described by David's friend are true. >Some people said that all the problems were made to protect the French growers, >others said that the French Orchidées who organized (If we can use this word) the >WOC had problems with customs, some days before, and all the vendor's problems > were because of it. >Even the sellers who did not have any problems claimed that no one came to see if they >(we) needed something, to see if everything was ok, etc. Things that are commonly done, >wherever we go to sell or show our orchids. They had many people working for them as >volunteers and they had not even given them a hotel to stay It is unbelivable but it is true. >They worked for free and had to pay all their expenses! >Nobody, tried to help us or even tried to find out what happened. They just wanted the >payment. A MESS is too short a word to describe the WOC in Dijon. >We have been helped by our country representative in Paris, whom I contacted and now >I will check what I will have to do, to claim our losses. >I paid for things that I did not get, and I also paid 3.500 EUROS for Broker service and taxes, >for all the plants and yet we could only sell 50% of them. > If I had received my plants on time we could have done an extra $20,000.-. in sales > Who will pay this > Believe me, mine is a poor country but our WOC was much much much better organized >than this one. Maybe this WOC Dijon is the worst one that will every be seen.. As`far as another vendor's experience, mentioned in David's # 3 complaint, his was also much worse than reported by David Hunt Someone who spoke in Dijon with that vendor reported the following: >His hybrid flasks were apparently both untouched and undisturbed. The straight species flasks were all >tousled and the contents missing prior to their arrival at the show. Interesting laws of physics, given they >were all shipped in a single box! It is believed that this transpired in customs at Charles De Gaulle. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Fw: WOC Dijon, treatment of vendors (part 2)
Hello Peter Any word on were the plants confiscated have ended up?Were the plants sent to botanical or other institutions?? (perhaps local growers commercial or otherwise??) Stuart Sydney Australia ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Save wild ochids and whales too
Hello all, Make sure that the rest of the world knows that Canada is continuing to kill seals Boycott Canadian seafood!!! Make them and the world stop killing any wildlife!!! poirot ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Repotting
In a message dated 3/30/05 7:45:02 PM, Gene and Joan Howard write: The problem is that the "dead" roots become substrates for bacteria and fungi which can eventually kill the entire plant. At one time I attributed the dead-root-syndrome to roots that had been exposed to bark mixes too long. Then I changed to pure red lava rock which does not break down. Results have been similar; good top growth but dead roots in pot after several years. I wouldn't let an orchid go more than 2-3 years without repotting. Even if it doesn't need dividing or potting-on, it still needs repotting. As you have observed the back roots die off. I found long ago that cutting them off only opens the plant to infection. If I am repotting an orchid with dead mushy roots, I run my fingers down the roots & strip off the mushy part, leaving only the hard stringy core (I think the technical term is stele). This removes any possible source of infection, while the wiry cores help to anchor the plant until it grows new roots. Iris And on the 8th day God said "OK Murphy, you take it from here." ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Greenhouse venting: further questions
I am appreciative of the replies to my query, and have a further, though simple, question which is puzzling me. Perhaps I'm missing something really basic here, but I do plan to have solar powered peak vents, which, as I am making them myself (not the openers, just the vents) will surely leak like sieves. I have decided the practicality of having a large exhaust fan on the roof is offset by the difficulty and will probably go the standard route of vents and fans on opposite ends of the GH at bench height (maybe a few vents at floor level too). My question is this: when the fans kick on, as the peak vents will already be open, am I not just pulling air through them down into the GH and not from the opposing bench level vents which are further away, depriving the plants at that end needed circulation and cooling? Tennis Maynard ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Save wild ochids and whales too
And stop greenland from killing polar bears!!! (GRR!) Marianne PS-- what to do, though, when like in Viateur's recent post, when wildlife starts eating endangered orchids??? - Original Message - From: Raphael & Chawadee Verkest To: Orchids@orchidguide.com Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2005 4:51 AM Subject: [OGD] Save wild ochids and whales too Hello all, Make sure that the rest of the world knows that Canada is continuing to kill seals Boycott Canadian seafood!!! Make them and the world stop killing any wildlife!!! poirot ___the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD)orchids@orchidguide.comhttp://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] WOC Dijon treatment of vendors
Stuart who asked : >Any word on were the plants confiscated have ended up? >Were the plants sent to botanical or other institutions?? >(perhaps local growers commercial or otherwise??) David Hunt's original post gives us one clue.: >Philippines stall had all their plants confiscated and force to donate all their orchids >to the botanical garden, due to the French authority believe their CITES documents >were fake, but they allow them to sell appendix I -fern. Right, confiscate App II, but allow App I sales. Someone, French citizen preferably, explain the French Cites Authority logic of this ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] WOC Website Competition
Viateur posted the following (OGD Vol. 7 No. 170) >Best Amateur website M. ARAUJO Sergio http://www.delfinadearaujo.com >___ > > > >*** >and > >Orchids web sites >http://www.riks.be M. NEIRYNCK Rik > >congratulations ! Allow me to give some additional details regarding the website competition since I have been asked "What gives? When nominations were called in November 2004 the document listed 4 Sections: * Amateur on a purely private basis * Amateur for an institution or a company * Professional for an institution or a company * Professional for a trade undertaking I was not in Dijon, so I don't know what happened, but it seems that there were three Sections judged - Commercial, Private and Society. The following were the Medal Awards: GOLD M. ARAUJO Sergio, Best Amateur website http://www.delfinadearaujo.com VI-1 M. BARFIELD Glen, Best Professional website http://www.theorchidworks.com VI-2 M. JENNINGS Colin, Institution or non profit org. web site http://www.orchidsaustralia.com VI-3 (Colin Jennings was the Australian Orchid Council's representative at the Conference) SILVER M. NEIRYNCK Rik http://www.riks.be M. KOELTZ Sven http://www.koeltz.com Mme BENAY Nancy http://www.nhos.org BRONZE M. FUCHS Robert http://www.rforchids.com M. SMITH Graham http://www.british-orchid-council.info I presume the Bronze Medals were awarded for Commercial and Society sections only. Our congratulations to all the other medal winners. Colin Hamilton Webmaster Australian Orchid Council/"OrchidsAustralia" Rockhampton, Qld. Australia www.orchidsaustralia.com Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: greenhouse venting
on 3/30/05 6:58 PM, Tennis wrote: > I would like to hear from > anyone knowledgeable and experienced in this area. It has occurred to me > the most effective way to vent an overwarm 24' x 12' greenhouse in the > summer here in Ohio would be to put the venting fans venting through the > peak roof of the GH as near the center of the structure as possible, > and have vents all around the edges, at floor level and bench level. Hello Tennis, One excellent way to get rid of alot of excess heat in Winter (or any other time) is to have a peak vent. I know if you are buying a kit greenhouse or a hoop-house, then the design doesn't work. But, a peak vent (no fans) can draw off alot of the excess heat with only a tiny crack open and a short period of time. charles -- Charles Ufford Calen the Border Collie CGC - now in Heaven Oriskany, NY USA IPA, Central NY and Southern Tier Orchid Societies [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.paphiopedilum.net Http://www.geocities.com/charlesufford ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Dijon & it's WOC
on 3/30/05 6:58 PM, Murray wrote: > Based on > recent experience of US customs & Fish & Wildlife inability to clear > shipments of plants in less than 40 days Miami organisers will have an > impossible job competing with Dijon. Exporters to USA should be warned that > current time frames for inspections are unrealistic & not even experienced > in third world countries. I trust the "Fathers of the U.S. Orchid Industry" > can sort this out before the next WOC. Hello Murray, My employer imports tons of plant material from all over the world for propagation, mostly plant cuttings. A number of other people I have asked about the importing thing mostly with orchids is that the most efficient port of entry for plant inspection was Miami, and how you get your plants through at all in most cases is to have a Broker. I have also been told that not all Brokers are made equally, and some get the job done more quickly and efficiently than others. Basically, in generic terms they pick up the box once it comes off the plane/boat, get the paperwork, take it to inspection and then to the shipper who gets it to you. Once again was told by others who have imported plants that if you didn't have a broker, the plants may sit there forever. If you are importing flasks with a major shipper they may be their own broker and may not have to worry about this. Disclaimer: this is just a heads-up as to why some plants may take forever to get through customs (besides incorrect paperwork and/or bugs/disease issues) hope this helps, charles -- Charles Ufford Calen the Border Collie CGC - now in Heaven Oriskany, NY USA IPA, Central NY and Southern Tier Orchid Societies [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.paphiopedilum.net Http://www.geocities.com/charlesufford ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Root of the Problem
The recent, rare discussion of orchid culture concerning repotting of Cattleyas has been welcome and useful. It has also stimulated me to bring up a culture issue that has been driving me nuts for years. Stated briefly, when I repot Cattleyas or Dendrobiums that have been in the pot for 2-5 years, most of the roots in the pots (ceramic slit pots) appear to be dead. Top growth on the plants usually appears healthy, and new, white roots with little green tips are growing at the base of new, vegetative growth The problem is that the dead roots become substrates for bacteria and fungi which can eventually kill the entire plant. At one time I attributed the dead-root-syndrome to roots that had been exposed to bark mixes too long. Then I changed to pure red lava rock which does not break down. Results have been similar; good top growth but dead roots in pot after several years. About one year ago I began to use a mix recommended by someone on this digest. It is 2 parts lava rock, 1 part fine charcoal, and 1 part washed coco chips. Plants seem to be doing better in this mix but the experiment must run for several more years I have concluded that under my conditions, it is not possible to keep Cattleya-alliance and Dendrobiums orchids in pots more than 2 years without removing all dead roots and starting over. I would like to know how some growers are able to keep specimen plants in the same pot for many years. All suggestions, comments, etc. will be welcome. Gene Howard Evans, Georgia ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] For a skewed view of Dijon
Sandy Gillians, a Canadian living in Munich, has posted a diary of her encounters with the WOC in Dijon. Parts of it really made me smile, reliving similar events at other WOCs. It is day-by-day so start here http://offpollen.typepad.com/pollenatrix/2005/03/website_win.html and scroll through her notes, clicking on DIJON in the upper right corner. Colin Hamilton Webmaster Australian Orchid Council/"OrchidsAustralia" Rockhampton, Qld. Australia www.orchidsaustralia.com Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Sources of Den kingianum
I believe your best bet is to contact David Banks who has produce a terrific group of kingies. For some of the named clones try Wayne Turville at the Australian Orchid Nursery. I have 19 separate AOS awarded kingies, and most of my source was Ted Gregory, who after 45 years of hybridizing finally retired. Among my collection are 'Inferno' AM/AOS, 'Sue' AM/AOS, and 'Karl Marx'. Although Karl Marx is an excellent flower, the flower is somewhat small and will most likely never be awarded in the AOS system; but, it is excellent for hybridizing as it imparts its color to the progeny. Two of my AMs were results of breeding with Karl Marx. Although this may sound like an ad, I have no interest in it, whatsoever: Troy Meyers now has , in flask, seedlings about 3 months shy of being old enough for removal from the flasks. I belive these to have great potential. 1= an outcross of 'Inferno' AM/AOS (a natural plant) x 'Jazzy' AM/AOS ( a third generation of line breeding with Karl Marx). This is a remake. The original produced 'Trident's Baby' FCC/AOS, in 2003, which was the first FCC awarded to a kingie in the AOS. 2=The reverse of above. 3= a cross of 'Tunstead's Pink' AM/AOS x 'Karl Marx'. 'Tunstead's Pink' is a natural plant, collected by John Tunstead, and considered the finest kingie collected in Australia in the past 6 decades. Many of the better clones are now being produced by meristems. Up to now, however, the only source was by division or keikis (aerials). Keikis are genetic and it seems like the better the flower, both natural and man-made, the more infrequent the production of keikis. Certainly that hs been true in my collection. Wilford Neptune . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
