[OGD] Disturbance of native orchids
I'm not sure what happened to the text of my posting, it didn't show up in item No 2, issue 320, so I'll repeat it as I wanted to share this: Viateur said, in mid June, "Feel free to comment" "I suspect that some subscribers to this list might not agree with the "disturbance and suitable grazing" theory. I would have commented earlier, but have been out of town for a week and have just cleared a backlog of emails (mostly ODG). As a child I used to roam the countryside of South-West England with a basic Field Guide of Wild Flowers (only black & white sketches and text) at each place to where my family had moved. In 1982 I made my first return trip to England and, being an orchid grower, included a visit to a certain country road in Dorset. Stopping the car at a certain point, I walked over to the wide grass verge (still there, the road had not been widened) and quickly found orchid plants. Within an area of about 12ft X 3 ft or about 4m X 1m, were about 10 clumps of orchid plants. I have not noted whether they were too early or too late for flowering. (30 years earlier I had identified the plants as the Early Purple Orchid when, at a guess, the colony may have been half the size.) I checked up and down the road for some distance on both sides, but there were no other orchid plants at all. I had not expected the colony to have survived, through disturbance or destruction of habitat. Although it is a common orchid, and I have since seen it through Devon, it was still a thrill to find the same Dorset colony again. Jean from New Zealand No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.1/28 - Release Date: 24/06/2005 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Scottsdale Road
Peter, In the interest of accuracy, Scottsdale Road is in Arizona, not Texas. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Boutonniere
I'm interesting in making small boutonnieres from single phalenopsis blooms as gifts to get friends more interested in growing orchids. How long will cut Phal blooms last? How do I make the boutonniere to maximize the flower life? Water? Temperature? Preservatives? etc. -Will Cassano ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Personal Comment
It had been brought to my attention that "members of the Seattle" Orchid Societies have decided not to buy my book because a) they claim that I have insulted people with foul language on this forum and b) they claim that I have insulted the religious feelings of many American Orchid Growers, also on this forum. So let me put the record straight. To: 1, I respond to people that insult ME. And I have used four letter words in doing so. If _I_ think it fit, I will do so again. If anyone does not like it, he/she has three options: a) scroll down b) complain to ME c) get off the forum. d) As I have said, "Morality" and "Ethics" a a subjective issue. Just one example "FUCK" is used in plays, by journalist, etc., on German TV on a daily basis ... Got if someone feels insulted. "Tough shit". To: 2) Freedom of religion means that one can choose to be have no religion. I stated that Man is not created by God but that Gods are created by Man and that this is done for the purpose of having power over the rest of Mankind. We have a good example going on right now. I will express that opinion anytime I see it fit. If some Baptist, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Islamic, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, or whatever from whatever country does not like it. "Tough shit" Maybe they should read their holy books and see what it says about "tolerance," "hypocrites" etc. 3) If anyone has a complaint about me, that "anyone" should have the courage to contact me personally Thus whoever complains to the Web master or people that work with me without complaining to me are nothing but cowards. 4) If people that work with me get out of the project because some fanatic moralists or churchgoing complain to them about me, they should not work with me to begin with. 5) I expressed my view on anonymity earlier. If anyone participates on this (or other forums), he she should have the courage to put his/her names under his/her postings. I for my part will not respond to anonymous postings anymore. If for some reasons he/she is afraid to stand for his/her opinions, it is my opinion that he/she should get off the list. 6) Just as an afterthought, I want to make it clear that the idiot moron Baruk who has claimed several times on this Forum that I am a thief, has never apologized, has never presented any evidence but is still on this list. I wonder why no-one complains about that. regards Guido -- Prof. Dr. Guido J. Braem Naunheimer Str. 17 35633 Lahnau Deutschland/Germany ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 321
Message: 9 Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:53:18 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OGD] orchid theft in the UK To: orchids@orchidguide.com Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Viateur Why don't you list the story about the Kew people herbarising 17 of 18 plants of Cypripedium calceolus at the only Cypripedium cite in England! (Well I guess you could say that they moved to site to Kew). regards Guido -- Prof. Dr. Guido J. Braem Naunheimer Str. 17 35633 Lahnau Deutschland/Germany ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Citing literature
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 10:21:50 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OGD] Xenia / query Recently, while reviewing the primary source for the publication of the Agenus Aa, I noticed that for AXenia Orchidacea : Beiträge zur Kenntniss der Orchideen in the reference given in some nomenclatural databases, the year of publication mentioned is 1854 : Xenia Orchidacea 1: 18. 1854. [w3Tropicos] Xenia Orchid. 1: 18 (1854) [RBG, Kew / Monocots Chelcklist] Xenia Orchid. 1: 18. 1 Apr 1854 [Index Nominum Genericorum] One exception : the IPNI (International Plant Name Index) indicates 1858 : Xen. Orchid. i. 18 (1858). * Then, in the catalogue of the Natural History Museum (London, UK), both years are given in the following fashion : Title: Xenia Orchidacea : Beiträge zur Kenntniss der Orchideen Publisher info: Leipzig, (1854-)1858-1900. I wonder why. If you own that publication or are familiar with it, would you clarify the dual date ? Thanks in advance for your enlightenment. Viateur, as I said before, it is not enough to be able to use a computer and find some references. You have to research them. That is why taxonomist have large libraries --- Get hold of Edition 2 of the Stafleu and Cowan ... Get hold of the R volume, (which is volume 4) ... look for H.G. Reichenbach (Reichenbach fil.) (because there are other ones : H.G.L. Reichenbach, C. L. Reichenbach), go to page 692 and Oh may all the Gods be praised ... there, you will find: Xenia orchidacea vol. 1 ... all kinds of date ...published between 1 April 1854 and 15 October 1858 ... and then you learn that Xenia orchid. i. 18 can't be dated as you don't tell me whether that "18" refers to a page or to a colour table ... now lets just assume that it is a page number .. but page 18 of the first volume of the Xenia was published on the 1st of April 1854 now lets assume that the "18" is the number of the colour plate ... but plate 18 was published on the 1st of August 1854. what is the moral of the story 1) Xen. Orchid. i.18 is a stupid way of citing 2) Xen. Orchid. i.18 (1858) is definitely wrong (They copied that mistake from Index Kewensis) 3) If you want to do taxonomy (and this is oart of the work) ... learn to do it correctly now, Viateur, if you think I am always going to provide this service for you, I have got new for you. Cheerio Guido PS. Maybe next time "Icones" alias Kenneth Roberts will help you out -- Prof. Dr. Guido J. Braem Naunheimer Str. 17 35633 Lahnau Deutschland/Germany ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] species/nat. hybrids/Introductions
Dear Dalton et al, From: "Dalton Holland Baptista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [OGD] Onc. wittii / natural hybrids Guido, > Of course you have exceptions to the rule ... but then, if a "natural > hybrid" becomes a population, and a stable one at that, don't we have a > new species ?? >This is a question we do ourselves all the time. When you can start calling >a very ancient natural hybrid a species?! As there are no internationally accepted criteria to delimit a species ... My view is, if if there is a population that has a distinctly different pollination syndrome and is successful (and it would be if there is an entire population), then we have a new species. If we have a single plant ... or the odd plant, we have a natural hybrid. >I see that apparently, when people is able to figure out the two species >that gave birth to the new one, the new one never gets to receive "a true >species status". Well again .. if the population is isolated by "pollination" I think it should >It is said C. mesquitae from nature has an original scent that the ones >recently obtained from the lab don't. That is an interesting observation ... >This is an interesting issue... for some reason, human being is not >considered part of nature, ??? Dalton, how do you mean that? >so if an insect, wind, birds, you name it, brings >seeds of an orchid to another country it may become a species of that >country. that is correct, and that happens ... there are plant species that are invasive ... see the tumble weeds in America which comes (if my memory serves me right ... now don't go jump on me again Jay) from Russia ... A very common weed in Germany is called "Veronica" it is an Asian plant that "escaped" from some Botanical Garden some centuries ago. >But when men plants Dendrobium nobile that takes all over the >place, then it is not a species admited to that country. Well, I'm not >criticizing, just pointing it out Dalton if man survives the next centuries ... take my word for it ... the dendrobiums will be incorporated into the native flora ... >I guess I have seen somewhere Arundina bambuzeifolia listed as a natural >species from Veneuela, isn't that funny? There are plenty of examples for that ... A good example are the "Neo-tulipas" ... There is still a controversy of whether they are native to Europe or were introduced. regards Guido -- Prof. Dr. Guido J. Braem Naunheimer Str. 17 35633 Lahnau Deutschland/Germany ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] John Stacy
From: Keith Gaboury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [OGD] Oncidium stacyi After reading about the supposed background to the naming of the plant, I have a question. Was the John Stacy, the plant is said to be named after from Massachusetts? I recall a person with that name when I was a member of the Massachusetts Orchid Society. Yes -- Prof. Dr. Guido J. Braem Naunheimer Str. 17 35633 Lahnau Deutschland/Germany ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
