[OGD] Re: Latin diagnoses thread
On March 31st 2004 Iris Cohen asked a question (OGD 155 message 4) and on April 1 2004 Guido answered (OGD 156 message 2) Guido suggested we ask a professor of old languages for help. I decided to go directly to the source of one of the two Latin diagnoses, Dr. Eric Christenson (Phragmipedium peruvianum.) Sorry for the delayed answer, Eric is away from his computer a lot, I just received his reply, which I will repeat here with his permission. Essential parts of the thread are below Eric's answer: I include his e-mail address, just in case you have additional questions: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am rather astonished by Guido's posting since neither I nor the ill-fated team of Atwood, Dalstrom and Fernandez wrote Latin descriptions for these taxa. We both published Latin diagnoses. There is a world of difference, not the least of which is that descriptions, unlike diagnoses, do not have verbs. Here are significantly better translations than presented by Guido. kovachii Species haec Phragmipedium schlimii (Linden & Rchb.f.) Rolfe similis, sed floribus multimajoribus, petalis suborbicularis proportione latioribus, labello inflato apice incurvatis differt. Species similar to Phragmipedium schlimii (Linden & Rchb.f.) Rolfe but differs by the much larger flowers, the suborbicular petals [which are] proportionately wider, and the inflated lip with an incurved apex. peruvianum Species haec P. besseae Dods. et Kuhn similis sed grandifloribus coloratis dissimilibus, ostio aureomarginatus differt. Species similar to P. besseae Dods. and Kuhn but differs by the larger flowers with different colors and the ostio with a golden yellow margin. Note: Ostio is literally a "little door" and refers, in this case, to the opening in the lip. I don't know why people seem to care if the Latin is parallel since one would never expect diagnoses to match. If you describe a red ball as not blue and I describe it as not white, neither contrast effects the nature of the red ball. I am rather disheartened by Guido's recent activity. Specifically, his new overview of the genus Phragmipedium in Richardiana 4(2):66-72. 2004. In this overview he simply does not acknowledge the very publication/existence of P. peruvianum although it is clearly not an issue of timing since he does include the later P. brasiliense. Whatever his reason for intentionally not including my publication, his credentials as a scientist are pretty well shot to hell as a result. One must now forever wonder what other information he is leaving out for unstated personal reasons. I don't know why he has done this but it is certainly nothing I have said or done to him and we remain friends and colleagues to the best of my knowledge. My best, Eric. > On March 31st Irish Cohen wrote: >I have access to the article on Phrag. peruvianum. I >don't have Selbyana. I don't read botanical Latin that well. I would like someone >who can access both & read Latin fluently tell us if there are actually any >differences between the two.The next day Guido answered:>To give all those that want to know the differences in the descriptions >their peace of mind: >kovachii (Atwood et al.) >Species haec Phragmipedium schlimii (Linden & Rchb.f.) Rolfe similis, >sed floribus multimajoribus, petalis suborbicularis proportione >latioribus, labello inflato apice incurvatis differt. >Meaning: The species is similar to P. schlimii with the exception that >the flowers are much bigger, the petals are near circular (in the >English text they call it "broadly ellipiptic") ... [I don't know waht >they mean by "proportione latioribus" ]... , and by the inflated >labellum with incurved apexes. (If you want the translations >grammatically correct, ask a professor for old languages). >peruvianum (Christenson) >Species haec P. besseae Dods. et Kuhn similis sed grandifloribus >coloratis dissimilibus, ostio aureomarginatus differt. >Meaning: The species is similar to P. besseae with the exception that >the flowers are bigger and differently coloured and that the yellow >marginal colour is also different. (If you want the translations >grammatically correct, ask a professor for old languages). >Thus the Latin descriptions are different. So what? >. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] False rumors
>From correspondence and inquiries received, I know that false rumors about me have been originated and spread by a few individuals. Please know that: 1 I have NO secret pact with anyone, Peruvian or other Nationality, to sell Phragmipedium kovachii in order to profit financially from this species which in my opinion has suffered enough already at the hands of idiots and greedy people. 2. I will NOT have Phragmipedium kovachii flasks, or divisions, for sale in the next few weeks. What I have said, and continue to say, in my presentations to orchid societies is the following: A. When INRENA decides that legal flasks of Phragmipedium kovachii may be exported from Peru with the proper CITES and Phyto Sanitary documents, I will have such flasks for sale in Canada. B. Flasks of Phragmipedium kovachii that I may offer for sale at some point in time, will be legal, and each flask will be delivered with a printed copy of the original CITES documents, it's authenticity verified, by myself, with INRENA. C. I expect a very limited number and will sell such flasks, at costs, to people who I know are capable of propagating them from seedlings to flowering plants. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] OGD Vol 6 Issue 238 Asymbiotic germination and mycorrhiza introduction
Dick, Nutrient balance can indeed be a problem, when one tries to germinate orchid species seeds symbiotically on media that contain sugars etc. Asymbiotically germinated orchid species seedlings can usually be infected very easily with their symbiont and without getting into nutrient balance problems. Two ways of doing it are: A) Introduce the symbiont from "pure culture" to sterile seedlings on sterile natural and nutrient poor medium. OR B) Introduce the symbiont from "pure culture" to non-sterile seedlings in compot Please contact me off the OGD, for details. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] OGD Vol 6 issue 269 re Ukraine and orchids
Hi Maureen, For orchid species, write Orchideeen Wubben in the Netherlands. Jack Wubben sells/travels all over Europe e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.orchidwubben.com Peter Maureen who wrote: I hope this knowledgeable, international group can help me. I have a cousin in Western Ukraine who would like to import orchids. She could receive them in Budapest or Kosice, SK probably with less concern than in Uzhhorod. Are there European vendors I should contact about this? Please tell me what I need to know. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re OGD Vol 6-issue 294- message 1 Guido
Can you recommend a list of literature? Is there a University offering Taxonomy 101 through Taxonomy xxx? >> "If you want to do a taxonomic study, fine ... go to the university and >> get the literature, and start from scratch," ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Taxonomy
Guido, Adding fuel to the fire was not my intention. It seems to me that there is not a single University that offers a degree in taxonomy. That is why a list of literature recommended by a "recognized taxonomist" would be helpful to all of us who like to know a little more about the subject. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Cites App.I
Hi, Cypripedium species are not on CITES App I. Paphiopedilums and Phragmipediums species are. Peter >>If these plants are still part of the Paph, Phrag, Selenipedium complex, >>then they are on CITES Appendix I ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Maximum penalty for smuggling orchids
Steph, The maximum I believe is $ 350,000 fine and 5 yrs in jail. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Symbiotic germination problem
Dick who said: >Later, in some cases, the fungi becomes fluffy on the surface of the media in >the flask and later starts to consume the orchid seedlings. Sometimes the >problem does not occur if there is no sucrose added to the oat media, but not >always. First of all, if you get germination, as you indicated, you do have the proper symbiotic fungus on your oats medium. If you followed the proper isolation procedure and obtained pure culture, by sub culturing the very growing tips of the isolate, YOU SHOULD HAVE ONLY ONE FUNGUS in the symbiotic mother flasks. (I am assuming that you sterilized seeds and medium) Having done all of the above and you still experience parasitism on the seedlings, look for the most probable cause, namely that the medium is too rich in nutrients, allowing the fungus to become too vigorous and parasitic. To establish a proper balance is often the more difficult task in symbiotic germination of orchid seeds. (Use plain oat medium, 2.5 grams ground oats per liter, DO NOT ADD SUGAR!!!) I hope this helps. Peter. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Marni Turkel re Harvey
Marni who said: >Unfortunately, I have deleted the OGD with the letter from Harvey >Brenneise with comments about the AOS, so can't read it again. Fortunately you can Marni!!! Just click on this link http://www.potto-webdesign.com/mailman/public/orchids/ When there, click on Authors in the August 2004 Go down the list until you find Harvey Brenneise. Unfortunately you are still taking Andy Easton seriously, when everyone knows that Andy has a history of throwing dirt at any one who disagrees with him about the AOS. Don't miss the "AOS financial data" eye opener by Doug Duggins. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] We need volunteers
Volunteers are treasures handed to us, who work for FREE and can quit anytime they feel like it. WE NEVER EVER criticize volunteers the way Andy Easton criticized Harvey Brenneise, a former AOS volunteer. We may re-assign volunteers to tasks they are better at, but we always PRAISE THEM. Any true LEADER knows that!!! The AOS is in a time of declining membership and financial hardships. They certainly do not need, nor would they appreciate, obnoxious behavior by their former associates turning people away in yet larger numbers. Generalizations about the AOS, without hard evidence, are useless. AOS yearly membership is very well reflected in "fine print statements" of the December issues of The Bulletin and Orchids. Check it and see that Membership vs time is a bell shaped curve now on the down slope. If there was a significant increase in membership, the AOS would tell us about it, in REAL NUMBERS. The AOS is really not served by it's associates attacking good people in the orchid world. (Ask me in private e-mail about an unsolicited, asinine, obnoxious,Easter Wish a well respected orchid nursery owner received this year.) Throwing dirt, every time one asks a question, or does not agree with you, is a sign of weakness and of a troubled mind. I do not need to defend my work with orchid conservation groups in Peru, the people in Peru show appreciation for my volunteer work. I will keep on doing it!! Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Thank you Andy !!!
I just want to thank Andy publicly for the very "Andy like" private e-mail he sent me in response to my post in OGD Vol 6 Issue 340. The flattering names he calls me make me swell with pride. So nice to receive a private thank you from Andy, who appreciates every bit of advice he gets, and then is able to expresses his thanks in such an eloquent way. Andy, what a blessing, you are one in billions upon billions! Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] I can share this with you
Andy called me a "slimy woofter" in his private e-mail to me. I don't know what a woofter is, but how eloquent a name! Leave it to Andy, he knows how to do things right!! We are going to miss him. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Woofter and Speakter
So, Peter,. A Woofter is the round thing inside a Speakter!! Well that explains it!! Must be common expressions in Andy's native ooh-ooh tribe language. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] To all of you subjected to name calling by Andy
What Andy Easton believes, states, thinks, is of little consequence to the real orchid world. For those of you who are interested, I have just called Andy a liar on the AOS Forum, where he had the audacity to accuse me of being an anonymous poster by the name of Jim. In response, I have challenged him to a bet, prove that I am poster Jim, and I will give you $ 10,000.- if not, you give met $ 10,000.- Andy is unable to put the money where his mouth is. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] One orchid for your poetry
Yesterday I received the following poetry. How appropriate at this time. Epitaph : For a Nasty Man - We never liked the little sod He cheated and he lied So we buried him last Wednesday... By Thursday he'd have died -- Sean Joyce ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Andy stop it!!!!
I had promised myself never to answer Andy directly again on the OGD, I am breaking with that tradition today. Someone has to speak up, let it be me. You have for the longest time attacked all the good people on this forum, not because they deserved any, but simply because you have to satisfy your mean spirited attitude. You act like the orchid world barely deserves your divine attention. Let me help you out of that dream Easton. The OGD does not need you, the orchid world does not need you, the AOS has already shown they do not need you. This week you attacked several good people on this forum. What you did to Marni and Iris this week, what you did to many others in the past year is unforgivable; it serves no useful purpose. None of your venom serves any useful purpose, other than your boastfully arrogant and dismissive ego. You forever belittle other OGDers and make them feel bad. You, Easton, are despicable. I for one am fed up with your nonsense and your disruptive behavior on this forum. If Kenneth has the time and would read all your post of the past year, he should have no trouble finding more than sufficient cause to terminate your subscription for the good of the majority, and the good name of this digest. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] talking about animals and orchids
Bill, I have given up my AOS membership 1.5 years ago, and I do not involve myself in AOS politics. However, in any democratic organization, nominations from the floor are normal. Not in the AOS? ok! I did not hurt the AOS financially by my resignation. Andy Easton sent me an eloquent, private, unsolicited e-mail, soon after I told Lee Cooke why I resigned from the AOS. Andy promised me, in the nice way only he is capable of, that the AOS would be better off without me and that it would not suffer financially just because I resigned. He, Andy Easton, would personally purchase an AOS membership and give it to an orchid grower in Cuba. I have never asked him if he did. Digging old cows out of the swamp, like Selby etc. serves no purpose in connection with either Andy or the AOS. As far as your contention that a fabulous job was done financially, that is debatable and I have no interest in it. Did you read Doug Duggins post, this month, re the AOS and their 2001 expenses exceeding revenues by more than $ 900,000.- ??? Not that I care. I think you are correct. ORCHIDS seems a vendor oriented magazine. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Yeahhhhhhhhhhhh Easton
Easton can' t stomach losing arguments, so he makes those who disagree with him enemies for life. No longer important to the AOS who let him go, Easton now vents his anger in "attacks" and lies, treating more and more people like his enemies every day. >Easton who said : >When I was in Toronto for the Mid America Meetings >18 months ago I asked whether Croezen was a registrant > as I wanted to meet him. They just laughed and said he was > not part of the local orchid scene. If only lies would come true! It so happens that you really do not want to meet me, as everyone who has followed your crappy attacks on me, on this and other forums knows. It so happens I WAS at the Mid-America with Dr. Isaias Rolando from Peru, "step in" guest speaker, as a result of my good relations with him and the SOOS executive. It so happens that Jean-Allen Ikeson knows me very well. I was many times guest speaker at the Ontario RBG Orchid Society Jean belonged to, before she moved to another part of Canada. It so happens that the SOOS, who hosted the Mid-America, invited me to be their guest speaker next month. Easton did not know this!! Easton, who never seems to have the fact before he speaks, would be wise to keep his trap shut. Problem with lies is that Easton does not remember them after he told them, thus he has to keep on lying, a different lie each time he tells the same "story." One wonders how old Easton is. He never seems to learn from his mistakes. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re OGD V6 Issue 345
Bill Bergstrom who said: "As for Andy...give him a break..except in the case of Iris... damned if I know how he got off on that." You are unaware of the many attacks he conducts in a year on people just as undeserving as Iris?? Sorry Bill, I just don't believe you. I travel to Orchid Societies across the USA and Canada, and meet in every one of them with high levels of contempt for him, from ordinary members to AOS judges, to well known important people in the orchid world. He attacks people, and you think he should have a break from them??? Man, have you got things in reverse! . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Membership
There have been discussions on this forum and elsewhere re the membership of the AOS. Andy told us August 4, 2004 : >The AOS membership has been steadily increasing for the past six months or more. Will Rhodehamel, secretary of the AOS just published the membership numbers in an election document. Here is what he says: >Membership at the end of July 2004 was 26,342, although the number >has been as high as 26,681 this year. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Now that we heard the truth
>Membership at the end of July 2004 was 26,342, although > the number has been as high as 26,681 this year. ( AOS secretary Rhodehamel post August 24, 2004) Will Rhodehamel does his homework ; I trust his figures, which show an average monthly DECREASE OF 48 AOS MEMBERS PER MONTH and that the DECREASE IN ANY SINGLE MONTH may have been as high as 339. Only three weeks ago, Easton stated:: >The AOS membership has been steadily increasing for the past six months or >more. ( Easton OGD post August 4 , 2004) Inaccurate Andy !!! Not true!! Five days ago you posted the following message on this forum: "Iris, when you post I always know it will be full of inaccuracies;" Time to eat your own words Andy. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Welcome back .....................
You said you were out of town for a few days?? Right; I traced you all the way from Homestead to Florida City, to Panama, and to Puerto Rico. Welcome back! So glad you found out again where you live and who you are. Your silence worried me, I feared for the worst, amnesia, Alzheimer's. (For those of you who are wondering what happened, he did appear to have a total loss of memory, worst of all he did not remember his name.) The latter became evident when he recently posted messages on the AOSF under anonymous names: Groggy in Florida City, Peter in Puerto Rico, Peter in Panama, Jim etc. etc. These posts were all traced back to his two computers. Looking forward again to your civil contributions, Andy. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] friends
Stuart who said: >Why dont you keep your sarcastic drivel to yourself rather than broadcasting it to the world? Stuart, read the archives. I admire this icon of civility and prince of goodwill. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] friend # 3
Hey KB, Check the AOSF archives. Grow up!!! Get the facts before you speak! Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re orchid mycorrhizae
>For all their diversity, orchids share one common trait: they rely >solely on other organisms, particularly fungi, to survive b a >characteristic which Jutta says is quite distinctive and serves as a >source of confusion to scientists.B I am not even close to being an orchid mycorrhizae authority, I am merely a hobbyist and my comments must be seen as such. I stand to be corrected by the mycologists, scientists, among us. It is my understanding that Mycorrhizae( root fungi, )do supply orchids with energy. It is however wrong to say that all orchids solely rely on fungi, only those incapable of photosynthesis do. Dr. H.N Rasmussen believes that orchids may use mycotrophic or phototrophic nutrition; they may use them alternately, or simultaneously where one supplements the other.. >"Fungi play a crucial role in the biology of many plants because they >convert oxygen to compounds that plants can use to grow, but orchids >depend on fungi well into maturity." Beneath their good looks, orchids >are parasites, says Jutta. "This conclusion was established only at >the beginning of the last century, and after much debate, it has >finally been accepted and scientifically proven.B As I understand it, Orchid Mycorrhizae obtain nutrients by breaking down (using enzymes) and absorbing chemical substances from their environment; then carry the nutrients into the roots of the orchid where they are being consumed. These include substances that the root itself could not extract nutrients from. One may consider the orchid parasitic on the fungus, yet at the same time it maintains a symbiotic relationship with the fungus, keeping part of it alive. This is not the same kind of parasitism people talked about before orchid mycorrhizae was seriously studied. Many believed then that orchids were parasitic on their hosts. >Once the fungus penetrates a certain point within the plant's cells, >says Jutta, the cells will secrete an enzyme that breaks down the >fungal tissues, keeping the fungus in check and preventing it from >invading the plant further.B When a symbiotic relationship exists between fungus and orchid, the plant produces phytoalexins, an induced chemical resistance to fungal infection, which may be explained as a static fungicide that keeps other non symbiotic and aggressive fungi from entering the roots, and the symbiotic one from becoming too aggressive and parasitic on the orchid. When the symbiotic fungus becomes more vigorous, the production of phytoalexins increases; like a feedback control system, keeping a balance and thus preventing the fungus from becoming parasitic on the orchid.. >"This cycle is repeated over and over, and each cell is re-colonised >several times." This process, she adds, begins as soon as an orchid >seed germinates.B Only certain cells within the roots are infected by the symbiotic fungus. The hypha go around and around within the cell wall and fuse together into a dense ball called a peloton. As the peloton is being formed, certain hypha penetrate the cell walls and infect adjacent cells to form more pelotons.Soon after the peloton is fully formed it is being consumed by the orchid and its size diminishes.i.e. fungal hypha collapse and being they are made of a hard substance called Chitin, they take longer to be consumed and can thus be seen in the cells as yellowish blobs that slowly get smaller. These blobs allows us to see how often the same root cell has become infected by the symbiotic fungus. In my "hobby experience," I have never seen a cell with more than three such blobs, indicating it was infected at least three times. Not seeing more "blobs", may be due to some pelotons having been totally consumed or due to the roots at some age becoming inactive. >Once this happens, the fungus is not killed but it simply becomes a >vessel through which the orchid derives nutrients for its own >development,...snip This is true for the fungal hypha that go in and out the roots, most often through the root hairs However, the fungal hypha in the fully formed pelotons are "dead" , either when consumption starts, or soon after. Unable to obtain fungal cultures from them, one obtains live fungal hypha from pelotons in the making; not yet fully formed. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Newly found Orchid Habitat in Peru
September 09, 2004
El Comercio, a Peruvian Newspaper, reports an exciting orchid habitat find
by an engineer in the department of Huancavelica at 3700 m.a.s.l.
Reporter Raul May Filio writes that the habitat has 145 orchid species in 42
genera,
and that many of the species are unknown to science. It was estimated that
there are
some 70,000 orchid flowers per 2.5 acres.
President of the Huancavelica region, Salvador Espinoza, has stated that the
area will
immediately declared a National Reserve.
{personal note: at this height above sea level, I estimate day temperatures to
be
around the 18C (65F) and night temperatures as low as 10C (50F) Thus orchids
from this habitat will certainly be cool growing}
peter
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[OGD] Re: Newly discovered orchid habitat in Peru
For those who read Spanish, here is the link to the El Comercio article: http://www.elcomercioperu.com.pe/EdicionOnline/Html/2004-09-09/onlPeru0190110 .html peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] El Comercio article
Hi Rose Marie, It was Sep. 9, 2004. However if you click on this link: http://www.elcomercioperu.com.pe/EdicionOnline/Html/2004-09-09/onlPeru0190110 .html You will find the article and...it has today's date Sep 10, 2004 on it. You better look right away, for I do not know how long it will stay on the Internet. I love your country and above all its friendly people. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] re Viatuer's question about Huancavelia habitat
Hi Viateur, To answer your final question first, the habitat has been known for some time. Lima's CPO was most likely referring to the same habitat. It probably got in the news again after it was declared a National Reserve by the Department of Huancavelia's president. I wonder if that honor was not the exclusive right of the Ministries of Agriculture and Environment.. I believe many people knew about the habitat and also that some orchids from that area have already been identified and named as new species. In personal correspondence, Lee Moore, well known long time orchid collector in Peru, tells me not only that he knows of the area, but has simply not gone there to collect, for his holding nursery in Moyobamba (800 m.a.s.l.) is too warm for these species. . Some genera found there are Stelis, Pleurothallis, Maxillaria, Elleanthus, Bletia etc. Peter Croezen ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re Huancavelia habita in Peru
Viateur asked: >.Have you been there (Amaru forest) ? No I have not, but my Lima friends in orchids are planning to go there soon. I am looking forward to a report and pictures from the Amura Forest. >were you present at the Peruvian orchid show in October 2003 ? No, but my friend Alfredo Manrique, president of the CPO told me about the show and that he won an AOS award for his Phragmipedium kovachii. I did attend the 2001 CPO International Orchid Show in Lima Peru. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Who to contact in Lima
Rose Marie who asked: >Peter, who you recommend I contact here in Lima-Peru to get to know more >about orchids cultivation?I will send you the names and e-mail addresses of Lima contacts off list. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Huancavelica once more
Viateur, You were right about Huancavelica and the CPO connection. Here is a response by Alfredo Manrique, president of (CPO)Club Peruano de Orquideas: It is actually an old new find, brought back into the news by El Comercio. The site was discovered some years a go by an expedition funded by the Finnish government; with the support of INRENA. ( Peruvian Ministry of the Environment) There is a lot more to be discovered in Huancavelica. The Huancavelica region is one of the poorest and a very isolated area of Peru and was a "guerrilla liberated zone" for many years, it is hard to get there.(see description below) The CPO orchid show of 2003 was sponsored by a mining company, working in Huancavelica, who want to do more research in the biodiversity of the region. The CPO made a paper for them about the orchids of Huancavelica. These included the orchids named in the El Comercio article . Only the Congress of Perz is able to name a National Reserve by way of an act. The Regional government is only able to lobby for the establishment of a National Reserve. For more information about the orchids of Huancavellica, you may contact Alfredo Manrique, who is the president of CPO. Please write me off list, for his e-mail address. . How easy is it to get to Huancavelica? Here is a description, by another friend: When I lecture I always ask people if they have been to Jackson Hole, Wyoming. There you have an unbelievable view of the Grand Tetons. I always say look at that and imagine that the habitat is on the other side. You take the bus until the bus breaks. Then you take the Jeep until the Jeep breaks. Then you take the horse until the horse dies. Then you take the mule until the mule dies. Then you walk up the mountain for 10 hours the first day and only 6 hours the second day. That is one isolated habitat for us gringos. . . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re Steven Beckendorf comments
Steven B who said: >The news seemed a lot more reasonable when I went to the link that >Peter provided and found that the report actually says the habitat >ranges from 1000 to 3700 m. Actually that is incorrect Steven. The Peruvian friend who sent me the link to the El Comercio article, which I posted on the OGD, added in the e-mail that it was at 3700 m. I simply passed that information on in my OGD post. I should have realized that in the Andes one speaks not of large 1000 hectare flat surfaces. Sorry Steven, for making you frown. You are correct about Sobralia altissima. It did come from Huancavelica and was described in 1999 by the two taxonomists you mention.. One of the two taxonomists told me (personal communication,)that they described a dozen or so more new species from there. If the El Comercio report is accurate, then the bulk of new species is yet to be described. That Huancavelica was finally designated as a National Reserve is nice, but no guarantee that its biodiversity will be preserved. "Remoteness" and "hard to get to," are far more assuring. For those of you who missed it, allow me to repeat what one Peruvian friend told me re traveling to Huancavelica: "When I lecture I always ask people if they have been to Jackson Hole, Wyoming. There you have an unbelievable view of the Grand Tetons. I always say look at that and imagine that the habitat is on the other side. You take the bus until the bus breaks. Then you take the Jeep until the Jeep breaks. Then you take the horse until the horse dies. Then you take the mule until the mule dies. Then you walk up the mountain for 10 hours the first day and only 6 hours the second day. That is one isolated habitat for us gringos." ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] correction
Steven B said: >the link that Peter provided and found that the report actually >says the habitat ranges from 1000 to 3700 m. The only link I provided was to the El Comercio newspaper report. There is no mention of any elevation in that report. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] oops, my mistake
Segzn explics Olivares, gerente de Recursos Naturales y Gestisn del Medio Ambiente de Huancavelica, esto es posible gracias a los diversos microclimas existentes desde los mil hasta los tres mil setecientos metros sobre el nivel del mar. It was reported in El Comercio, from one thousand to thirty seven hundred meters. My apologies Steven, you were correct. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Another take on orchids
The article Viateur provided a link for, was written by Miriam Jutta, Orchid conservation biologist and botanical illustrator University Putra Malaysia It starts with: >Another take on orchids >I REFER to the article Petals with a purpose (StarTwo, Sept 7), >which contains factual errors and misquotes that have put me in a >bad light with the scientific community and will seriously compromise >my professional reputation. The article on this page addresses the issue. Miriam Jutta appears to have corrected many of her factual errors, and it seems that I was not the only one who commented on them. In the corrected article she writes: >As soon as the testa (seed coat) ruptures, the seed needs to be invaded >by a suitable fungus to germinate successfully. Miriam appears to be talking about all orchids seeds. In my humble opinion, this is not the way it works with terrestrial orchids, where it has been observed in symbiotic cultures, that the fungus enters the intact testa, via the micropile, or by piercing the testa. It produces substances that aid in breaking down the carapace (membrane around the pro-embryo,) allowing water to the embryo. The fungus then enters the embryo and provides nutrients for growth.The embryo increases in size and eventually ruptures the testa. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] 13th meeting of CoP to CITES
Sandy who said about Thailand's proposal for the exclusion of all artificially-bred orchid hybrids from CITES appendices: >"Does this just apply to Thailand, and if so why just them? Would be >interested to hear your comments." Sandy from October 2 -14 2004 Bangkok is hosting the 13th meeting of the Conference of the Parties to the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES) Every CITES member country (Party to the Convention) was allowed to submit proposals for changes to the listings on CITES Appendices. Changes to CITES accepted at this meeting apply to all the Parties to the Convention. The China View article you refer to it also states: >Entering into force in 1975, CITES is regarded as one of the most >effective international wildlife conservation treaties. This of course is an incorrect statement. CITES is a trade agreement; not a conservation treaty. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Label printer
Tim who said: >Can anyone point me toward a manufacturer or vendor who >can supply a professional label printer? Try this link: http://www.amtsystems.com/Green/economy/label.html TXP3 Thermal Printer The TXP3 give the user the ability to print tags up to 24-mil thickness, 9 inches wide and up to 10 inches per second. It comes standard with Ribbon Save and a FETHR head. Available with 4" (203 dpi) or 5" (300 dpi) print head width. It is ideal for printing slip-on tags side by side, pressure sensitive labels, signs and (7") pot tags. The ability to print all these tags, labels, and signs makes it the most versatile printer on the market ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] follow up
Tim, I found a supplier for the printer: Horta-Craft Limited Strathroy, Ontario Canada Tel. 519-245-8441 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.horta-craft.ca ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Viateur's questions.
To Viateur who said: >You wrote, "CITES is a trade agreement". Sorry Viateur, you are quoting part of what I said. What I did say is that "CITES is a trade agreement; not a conservation treaty." My comment was in response to the following statement in China View: "Entering into force in 1975, CITES is regarded as one of the most effective international wildlife conservation treaties." I was merely pointing out that one should use proper definitions. CITES stands for Convention International Trade in Endangered Species. >Do you think that the statement : "Its aim is to ensure that international >trade in specimens of wild animals and plants does not threaten their >survival." is unjustified ? There is no need to justify motherhood statements like that. Who could disagree with such a noble aim? >CITES does restrict the trade of orchids. Legal trade to a degree. Total trade no, it does not!! When restrictions are put on legal trade, the illegal trade usually flourishes. Conservation??? Just two years ago we have seen the total depletion of Phragmipedium kovachii orchid habitats in Peru, a Party to CITES. >Are you opposed to measures that aim at safeguarding certain species from >over-exploitation ? Of course not You are asking me a conservation question; not a CITES question! ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Viateur's questions 2
Viateur who said:
>What relation do you make between the destruction of
> orchid habitats and CITES ?
{I would prefer to call it depletion of orchid habitats; they are
sometimes destroyed , but not always.}
There is no relation. These depletions happen, in spite of CITES.
I used Phragmipedium kovachii and Peru as an example of this.
Depletion happened, in spite CITES worldwide, and in spite of
the fact that the Peruvian Ministry of Natural Resources, INRENA,
also the CITES Authority of Peru, were fully aware of it happening.
>I would have thought that CITES would contribute, in spite
> of its flaws, to relieve the pressure on orchid habitats.
Sorry orchid friend, such is wishful thinking; not reality.
CITES as a world organization has no mandate in orchid habitat
conservation, for that right belongs to the country where these orchid
habitats are located.
Reality is that ten mature Phragmipedium kovachii plants were removed,
legally, from their known habitats. Permission was not given by CITES
but by INRENA, the Peruvian Ministry of Natural Resources.
The rest, many thousands of mature Phragmipedium kovachii plants,
were removed illegally from these same habitats, until not even one
single seedling was left behind.
Did CITES relieve the maximum destructive pressure brought to bear
on these habitats? Did they conserve or preserve any of the plants in
these habitats? No, they have no mandate to do so, and even if they
had, they could not have stopped the total depletion.
It all comes back to what I said in my earlier post. Cites is a trade
organization not a conservation treaty. For the reporter of China View
to call CITES an "effective" conservation treaty, is unreal and pure
fantasy.
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[OGD] Orchid species seeds
Anyone, I would like to purchase/ trade fresh & viable orchid species seeds from all over the world. I am also looking for links to WebPages offering such seeds for sale. (I do know of Aaron Hick's OSP seed bank.) Please contact me off list. Peter Croezen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Warrnambool Orchids
Colin, if you wish to contact them, here is what I found: Warrnambool Orchids 34 Riverview Terrace Warrnambool VIC 3280 PH (03) 55623753 Fax (03) 55612433 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Paph. cross
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[OGD] Growing Orchids in the Southern Hemisphere '
Les, I have scanned and sent the article to your e-mail address. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Mexipedium xerophyticum
to Aaron who said: >>but Mexipedium xerophyticum is on CITES Appendix I Aaron you are right, it is as you say a "cute little booger," however, the genus Mexipedium is not listed on CITES Appendix 1. Here is the link to CITES' own webpage listing all CITES App I II III species: http://www.cites.org/eng/append/appendices.shtml Of the Lady's slippers, only Paphiopedilum and Phragmipedium are on CITES App.I Cypripedium and Mexipedium are not. Is there a new CITES document out that confirms what you said?? peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Re: Mexipedium xerophyticum = Phragmipedium in the USA
Aaron, Thanks for the explanation. Your ability to keep a sense of humor about such things is always refreshing and delightful. The USA interpretation of CITES rules in USFWS document you quote: " USC Title 50, Wildlife and Fisheries, part 23, Endangered Species Convention" only applies to US Import and Export of this species. For the rest of the world, Mexipedium xerophyticum is not on CITES App.I Of course with the upcoming CITES meeting of the Conference of the Parties in Bangkok Oct 2-14 2004, that may change. I do not remember seeing a proposal from any country that Mexipedium xerophyticum be placed on CITES Appendix I, at this Conference, but there may well be one. peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Disa growers
Hi Tennis, Please visit Disa grower Wally Orchard's website, called Afrodisa, where you may find what you are looking for in Disa culture etc. Here is the link: http://corchard.home.comcast.net/ ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Entomophobia
To Bert who asked: >could you please tell where you find information about such a genus. Here are a few links: http://www.wordiq.com/definition/List_of_Orchidaceae_genera http://www.orchidspng.com/nhn_cdrom_dendrobium.html http://www.orchidaceousbooks.com.au/OB12026.html http://www.orchidspeciessoc.gil.com.au/2000win.htm http://www.balogh.com/catalogs/orchids.html http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:NPhuugx_szoJ:www.arbec.com.my/pdf/art4may jun99.pdf+entomophobia+orchid&hl=en When you Google "Entomophobia orchid" you will find an additional 40 links. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] What triggers for autogamy in orchids
Peter who said: > Many authors have noted that when an orchid species progressively > colonises its way from island to island across the ocean, an > autogamous form often leads the way. Very interesting, Peter!! Epipactis helleborine, a European species, can be found in many locations in North America and it is autogamous. Assuming that these plants started from seeds carried on the belongings or shoes of immigrants, did these seeds come from autogamous plants in Europe, or from non-autogamous plants and the total absence of pollinators in NA triggered them into autogamy? Is it known what exactly triggers autogamy? Would total absence of pollinators be a trigger? Are both, autogamous and pollinator dependent, forms of Epipactis helleborine found in European habitats or colonies where pollinators are still plenty? How about other species? What is the natural pollinator of Epipactis helleborine in Europe? ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Fw: USDOJ news release does not mention Phrag. kovachii in the Norris/Arias case
Viateur who asked:
>I have heard, a couple of times at my orchid society, comments that Manuel
>Arias Silva was sentenced for exporting Phragmipedium kovachii.
>Did I miss something at some point or the species was never actually
>mentioned in the prosecution against Manuel Arias Silva nor George Norris ?
IMHO, those comments are false and not based on USDOJ news releases.
The USDOJ news release does not mention what species. It mentions shipments
between Jan 1999
and Oct 2003, thus species other than Phragmipedium kovachii had to be
involved, whether Pk
was, or not, can not be gained from the document.
note:
{Certainly, George DID NOT OFFER Phrag. kovachii for sale in his now
(in)famous flyer, he simply
mentioned that he might have some in the near future. I read that flyer and
concluded that
George was talking about legal Phrag. kovachii plants, artificially propagated
by one of the
two designated and licensed nurseries in Peru.}
Here is the news release:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE ENRD
THURSDAY MARCH 11, 2004 t(202) 514-2007
WWW.USDOJ.GOV TDD (202) 514-1888
TWO INDIVIDUALS INDICTED IN MIAMI FOR SMUGGLING
PROTECTED PERUVIAN ORCHIDS
WASHINGTON, D.C. - A federal grand jury in Miami, Florida, has
returned an indictment charging Manuel G. Arias Silva, a Peruvian national,
and George W. Norris, a resident of Spring, Texas, with conspiring to smuggle
into the United States protected orchid specimens, including specimens of the
genus Phragmipedium, commonly known as Tropical lady's slipper orchids. All
species of orchid are protected under the Convention on International Trade in
Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora (CITES).
According to the indictment, Arias sold several shipments of
orchids to Norris between January of 1999 and October of 2003. Arias would
allegedly obtain a CITES permit for the shipment from Peruvian authorities
that authorized the export of certain numbers of artificially-propagated
specimens of particular species of orchids. Arias, at the instruction of
Norris, would then allegedly include in the shipment specimens of species not
included on the CITES permit. To conceal the allegedly illegal activity, he
would falsely label the protected species as a species listed on the permit.
Arias would allegedly provide to Norris a code or "key" that would provide
Norris a means for deciphering the false labels and identifying the true
species of the orchids. In some instances Arias allegedly shipped orchids
that were wild collected rather than artificially propagated. One shipment in
February of 2003 allegedly included some 1,145 specimens, of which
approximately 490 were of species not authorized for export by the
accompanying CITES permit.
In addition, Arias is charged with two counts and Norris with
one count of making a false statement to federal authorities in violation of
18 U.S.C. ' 1001(a). Norris faces an additional two counts of smuggling
related to alleged sales and domestic shipments of orchids that he knew had
been imported contrary to law. If convicted, the maximum penalty for each of
the counts of the indictment is up to five years in prison and a $250,000
fine.
The Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of
Wild Fauna and Flora is a treaty to which the United States and Peru, along
with over 160 other nations, are parties. The United States implements CITES
through the Endangered Species Act. Certain species of orchids are listed on
Appendix I of CITES, including all species of the genus Phragmipedium.
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[OGD] Re: What triggers for autogamy in orchids
Peter O'Byrne who said: >I suspect that many (most ? all ?) orchid species produce a small >percentage of autogamous-form seeds every time they set a capsule. >I think it would be fairly easy for a plant to evolve a single gene that >leads to autogamy; almost any deficiency in the material of the >rostellum would result in the necessary outcome. Such a gene would >give the species a valuable evolutionary advantage ... the ability to >colonise fresh territory from just one seed, even in the absence of pollinators. Thanks Peter, Your hypothesis makes a lot more sense than external triggers being responsible for autogamy, though I have heard it more than ones portrayed as such. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Phrag. kovachii habitats stripped bare
Colin who said: >A comment on Phrag. kovachii being decimated in Peru, could it be that the >Peruvians stripped the place bare. . In my humble opinion, it really does not matter much who stripped the Pk habitats bare, Peruvians, or non-Peruvians!!! The Pk plants were removed from their habitats illegally, without a collecting permit from INRENA . (Peruvian Ministry of Natural Resources). The Pk plants left Peru illegally, without export and import CITES documents. It is important to recognize that those who purchased them are as guilty of habitat depletion as those who collected and sold them. >Being in the country they wouldn't need any >CITES papers unless exporting them Correct, but these Pk plants would still BE ILLEGAL in Peru, for they were collected without a permit. Only two collecting permits were issued by INRENA, for 5 plants each, to two Peruvian orchid nurseries. Those plants must remain in Peru. Artificial propagations from these ten plants may be exported with CITES documents. INRENA decides "if " and "when." ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Moving back to the USA with CITE
To Marianne, The USFWS International Affairs web site should be helpful to you. I suggest you contact them and explain your particular situation. There is a "contact us" on the web site: http://international.fws.gov/ peter c. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] title cut off
Sorry, title was: Moving back to the USA with CITES App I and II orchids peter c ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] I agree with many of you.
George Norris did break the law, and he is the first to admit it. However, the punishment he got does not fit the crime and is draconian, as I and others have said before. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Kovach sentencing
Bert who said: >If I am right in my facts, Kovach has not yet faced final sentencing. Correct, he has not faced it yet, but will on Nov 1, 2004 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Nov 1, 2004, 8:30 am
Kovach is scheduled to be sentenced on November 1, 2004 at the Tampa Federal Courthouse. If you wish to attend, be there around 8:30 am. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Deluxe Indoor Digital Thermometer / Hygrometer
Giles, For about $ 25.- you can purchase a Digital Thermometer Hygrometer with better accuracy than you require. Check this website: http://www.highqproducts.com/hygrometers.php I have the exact same one and it works great! peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] criminal prosecutions
Viateur, You are correct, there have been no criminal prosecutions for illegal importation of Phragmipedium kovachii. Two parties were sentenced for being in possession of Phragmipedium kovachii, brought illegally into the USA and later returned to Peru, Marie Selby Botanical Gardens Inc.and Dr. Wesley E. Higgins, head of the orchid identification center at Selby. The party who brought it illegally into the USA , Michael Kovach, will be sentenced on November 1, 2004 in Tampa Federal Court. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Sentence Finn Rasmussen
Finn Rasmussen who asked: >Wasn't the sentence for illegal EXPORT of the material? The type material was >exported back to a herbarium in Peru, lest it should be confiscated and >destroyed by US authorities - which might have invalidated the name! The sentence may have been for both, possession and smuggling a "smuggled by Kovach" CITES APP I orchid species back to Peru. However, the light sentence, in view of what could have been, seems to indicate that possession was considered more so than smuggling. I could be wrong! The indictment reads as follows: WASHINGTON, D.C. - The Department of Justice today filed criminal charges in the U.S. District Court in Tampa, Florida, against Marie Selby Botanical Gardens, Inc. and Wesley E. Higgins for violating the Endangered Species Act by possessing, and later returning to Peru, an orchid that was smuggled into the United States. The maximum penalty for this offense is one year imprisonment and/or a $100,000 fine. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Viateur question re sentencing - Selby/Higgins
Viateur who said: >I have been trying to find the related sentencing (Selby/Higgins). and then asked: >Do you know of a source other than press reports ? To the best of my knowledge, sentencing was on April 9, 2004 and there is no press release from the USDOJ. However, I am sending you, off list, a report from the Herald Tribune of April 19, 2004 ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] More Viateur questions
Viateur who said: >Peter (Croezen) : >Thanks for the help in trying to locate the sentences given to >Selby/Higgins in the kovachii cause. >apart from the press article of which you sent me a copy (14 April 2004), >there was another one published on 20 June 2004 which also reports about >the sentences : http://www.sptimes.com/2004/06/11/State/Controversy_over_orch.shtml >although, not updated, there is an interesting summary about the events >surrounding the kovachii saga : http://www.greenzoo.net/trouble.htm >for example, I was not aware of the following info : >As to the orchid's fate: the editor of Orchid Digest went to Peru to find >out. He reported that the original colony was stripped clean, however he >did see 1,000 more plants growing on a remote cliff in the Andes." >Was that colony stipped too ? Viateur First of all, the article I sent you contains all the details of the Selby/Higgins sentences you were looking for. Except, that one name is screwed up and should have been International Code of Botanical Nomenclature The second article you dug up is of June 2004 and written by Craig Pittman of the St Petersburg Times. Craig first wrote about Phragmipedium kovachii on Feb 11, 2003, eight months after the story broke and had been covered in many newspaper articles. In this article Craig speaks mostly of Kovach, who had just changed his Jan 2004 "not guilty" plea to "guilty." The Phragmipedium kovachii story is quite involved: only a fraction of it is covered in some 25 newspaper articles from June 2002 until December 2003 and a few more since then mostly concerning the USDOJ and sentencing. The first substantial article about the involvements of Kovach and Selby was written by Georgia Tasker of the Miami Herald August 11 2002. A more comprehensive article was written by Chris Grier Sarasota Herald Tribune Sep 1 2002. The account of "Dr. Harold Koopowitz's and company" trip to the larger Phragmipedium habitat can be found in Orchid Digest Vol 67(3). This is the very same habitat that supplied the ten legal Phragmipedium plants in the world and contained an estimated two thousand mature plants and many seedlings. Shortly after Harold's brief visit the habitat was completely stripped of all Phragmipedium kovachii, including the seedlings. I do have the pictures of that habitat which depict the deep holes left for each plant removed and shows that more than half their roots were left behind. An awful sight!!! As far as the GreenZoo article you "dug up," it repeats one of the many fantasy stories told by Kovach. The story that Kovach had seen Phragmipdieum kovachii in 2000 , left it there and came back in 2001 to purchase it is absolutely false, as is the story told Selby scientists that in 2002 he went back to the habitat three days after he "found" Phragmipedium kovachii. I do not believe you would want to get into the other 90% of the story, which covers intrigue and politics of this case and is far more intriguing than any case in Eric Hansen's Orchid Fever. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Per capita income
Viateur who said: > Of course, it is your right to repeat like a mantra > that "CITES is a trade agreement". Viateur, please get the facts before you speak. My comment was made just once; it was in response to the erroneous statement in China View: "CITES is regarded as one of the most effective international wildlife conservation treaties." This statement by an uninformed reporter is utter nonsense CITES has been discussed at length on this forum. No need to rehash it all again when one simply can refer to the OGD archives. In yet another OGD post, you state: >$50 is not really a several months' income in Peru. How can you be so certain Viateur? >According to the World Bank indicators, gross national income per capita in >Peru is $2,020. This is no indication at all what the poor, the bulk of the population's per capita income is. In any society, where there is a marked absence of middle class, and where the large majority lives in poverty, while the elite count millionaires among them, the per capita income figure, if based on total national income and total population, does not reflect the real per capita income of the poor. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] 10, or 6
>"if we move air up through the atmosphere it will expand > and cool down at a fixed rate of 3 degrees Celsius for every > 1000 feet, or 10 degrees Celsius for every kilometre it rises." I believe you are correct for dry air. It is my understanding that the rate of change for moist air is 6 degrees per 1000 meters. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] per capita
Paul who said: >According to the World Bank website, Peter, you are a year behind, with >the 2003 GNI per capita in Peru ca. US$2150. :) :) I know I saw those figures too. The lower figures were not mine. It was Viateur who published them on the OGD. No big deal, just want to put things straight. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids
[OGD] Archives
Hi Kenneth, I noticed that the posts contained in the most recent OGD digests do not appear in the Nov 2004 archives. http://www.potto-webdesign.com/mailman/public/orchids/ Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Old news today
Viateur who wrote: >Phragmipedium kovachii...>"The site where it was first found has been stripped of these orchids by >unethical collectors, and it is now locally extinct," said a report from >the Botanical Garden of the University of British Columbia. "Happily, a >population been found elsewhere in a very remote location." The university >did not name the place. Viateur, I am sorry you posted this old news, no longer totally accurate. Those who have kept up with all that has happened in the Phragmipedium kovachii story, know this. The first habitat, 500 yards off the road, was completely stripped in the summer of 2002. Estimates are that it was home to several hundred Phragmipedium kovachii. The second habitat, far more remote, was completely stripped, soon after a visit by a large party, which included several US citizens, in May of 2003. Among them Dr. Harold Koopowitz and Glen Decker. Estimates are that it was home to several thousand Phragmipedium kovachii. Nothing to be happy about. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] albe, albes, albis??
Is this correct Dave: Coelogyne albe; Coryanthes albes ;Cyrtoglottis albis?? Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS Bulletin vol 49 (8) pp 863-867 Aug 1980
Viateur asked: >"The Difference Between Alba, Alba Form, and White",>by Dr. Kenneth S. Wilson>in the AOS Bulletin, vol. 49 (8), pp. 863-867, August 1980.>I would very much like to get a scan of that article. Scanned, sent to you off list. Peter Croezen ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] AOS Bulletin vol 49 (8) pp 863-867 Aug 1980 (peter croezen)
H. Yamaga who asked:>Please send me the scanning copy of it to my personal address. >I'm very sorry I will put you so much trouble. No problem at all, I will send it to off list, together with a questionI have for you.hirosi99 at agate.plala.or.jp ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] enough is too much
An orchid forum, this is supposed to be. From politics to religion to poetry, most of us have been your very tolerant and patient audience, but enough is too much! You know who you are; please take your non-orchid soapbox topics somewhere else!! peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Joanne Brown
To K B who wrote: >Alan Koch says in his article on breeding mini cattleyas in Orchid Digest >magazine, that he was influenced by several southern California hybridizers, >one of whom was Joanne Brown. I've never heard of Ms. Brown. Can anyone >give me a brief bio? Use Google, type in search window: Joanne Brown Orchids, and find a reference to her, in the Marriott Orchids description, as one who was connected with Stewart Orchids. I have not searched Mariott to find which section it is in. http://www.marriottorchids.com/division%20list.html ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] L tenebrosa 'Walton Grange' FCC/RHS
Iris who said: >I can't figure out if you can do it with Wildcatt. >What was the earliest cross with L. tenebrosa 'Walton Grange?' Wildcatt does not show RHS awards. Hybrid registers only show the species; not clonal names. The earliest cross with L. tenebrosa I have been able to find in Wildcatt is Bl. Helen (B digbyana x L. tenebrosa) Charlesworth Ltd. 1902 Whether this was the famous L.tenebrosa 'Walton Grange' FCC/RHS, I do not know. Carl L. Withner, in The Cattleyas And Their Hybrids, Volume II The Laelias, states that this particular clone was in the collection of W. Thompson at Walton Grange in Stone, Staffordshire. It received an FCC/RHS on August 8, 1893 Rita Crothers, in the Sep-Oct 1972 Orchid Digest, recounts her search of more than 20 years for the 'Walton Grange' clone from the W. Thompson collection. Sorry that I do not have that OD volume. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] IPA
K, Look under Department Directory and you will find membership contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Please stop the false rumors
Thomas who writes: >The legal kovachii flask will be available this year, but there are>some problems whit the Peruvian government so the Peruvian orchid club>don't'a know how the kovachii flasks will be sell worldwide, the only>confirmed information is that an orchid shop whit kovachii flasks will>be open this year in Spain.>Regards,>Thomas from Guatemala. Thomas, your post is spreading false rumors concerning legal Phragmipedium kovachii flasks available this year. If they are going to be exported, that fact has not yet been announced by INRENA, the Peruvian Ministry of Natural Resources and Peru's CITES Authority . INRENA has indicated that no flasks or divisions will be exported, until Peruvian nurseries are registered by the Cites Secretariat and New Commercial Regulations are approved. At this moment, there are only two registered nurseries in Peru; the owner of Registered Nursery 001 is Alfredo Manrique, and I am in weekly contact with him. There is NO CONFIRMATION YET from INRENA that legal Phragmipedium flasks will be exported from Peru in 2005; consequently there CAN BE NO CONFIRMATION from INRENA that legal flasks will be available in Spain All flask, seedlings, divisions or plants of Phragmipedium kovachii at present outside Peru are ILLEGAL. The whole world is waiting for INRENA to allow export of legal Phragmipedium kovachii, divisions and flasks; particularly the people who have illegal plants and flasks at this moment. As soon as INRENA does allow export, we will all know it within hours. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Japan CITES Authorities
Yamaga, One would expect Japan's Cites Authorities, if made aware of the website, to pay the nursery a visit and find out if it has illegal Phagmipedium kovachii stock plants and flasks, as shown in the website for which you provided the link: http://www.orchids.co.jp/Catalog/.htm ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Please stop the false rumors
Klaus Thomas, Don't be so hard on yourself. Your English is fine! One is never too young to participate!! Your mouth is not even close to being as "big" as some we experience on this forum!!! My apologies if I made you feel this way, for that was not my intention. Please continue to participate on the OGD. Peter klausthomas at gmail.com Fri Jan 7 04:12:11 CET 2005 Previous message: [OGD] Orchids - court (civil action) Next message: [OGD] Zygos. Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] well, i think i'm very bad whit english, probably because i'm too young for being writing in a foreign language. Peter, you are right, it won't be kovachii flasks on legal sale until irena give permission, but it is expected to happen this year, and if it happens, a shop will be open in Spain. I know it from a peruvian, i don't know how much i can trust him, fortunately, you are in contact whit Alfredo Manrique. please forgive me, maybe i have my mouth too big. -- Regards, ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Terry Glancy's: new malicious pests from Taiwan
Title: RE: Posts Hi, Terry A. Glancy has tried three times to post this story on the OGD. He tried it in Rich Text and Plain Text and each time the message was rejected. I am just forwarding it to the OGD for him, to see if it will be accepted. If this fails again, I will try one more time by pasting the message in my own e-mail. New malicious pests from Taiwan In an attempt to lighten the topic of importing Phals in media from Taiwan, I would like to submit this incident from a couple of years ago. We were helping some friends of ours from Taiwan who were shipping their show and sales plants directly from Taipei to Miami for a show up in mid-state Florida. We were just trying to help coordinate their simultaneous arrival with the arrival of their boxes of plants and flasks, brokerage coordination and paperwork, ag inspection, and subsequent transport up to their show area. The plants arrived maybe 10 hours before our commercial friends, but we received a call from our broker who said that the orchid shipment had to be gassed - flasks and all --- because of a new mealybug. I had never seen any pests on any of the shipments from this Taiwanese nursery when we had brought in plants for our nursery, so I thought this was rather strange. It was even stranger when the broker said that there were mealybugs all over the flasks. My wife went up to ag to actually see what was going on. She walks into the ag station and asks to see the shipment that had been gassed with methyl bromide. All the Catts in bloom were fried as were the Oncids, Phals, and Dens. The inspector then picked up a couple of Phal flasks and declared “I can’t believe it, the bugs are still alive and moving around!!!” Barbara picked at one of the mealybug clumps, looks at it closely, and pops it into her mouth. Yup --- sytrofoam chips. Better watch out for those exotic pests now!!! Terry A. Glancy Pine Ridge Orchids, Inc. 21100 SW 300 Street Homestead, FL 33030-7812 ph (305) 247-4839 (305) 247-3086 fx (305) 247-8853 Email = HYPERLINK "mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website = HYPERLINK "http://www.PineRidgeOrchids.com" www.PineRidgeOrchids.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Terry Glancy's posts
Tricia who said: >Well, this is the fourth time it has arrived here - maybe it's a glitch in>Terry's email client, because clearly it isn't being rejected by OGD. It is rejected by the OGD Digest and the OGD Archives, Tricia. You will find the body of the message missing in both. I assume you receive the non-digest individual posts? It is quite possible that these bypass the problem part of the OGD server. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phalaenopsis lueddemanniana
Irish who said: >I have a keiki of P. lueddemanniana. ...snip... I thought it was going >to bloom, but it turns out it is making a keiki. What would cause such >despicable behavior? Years after I had purchased a single plant of Phalaenopsis Luedde-violacea I had many plants as the result of keiki making; flowering did not occur. Like you, I also grow under lights. When in '94 I changed from fluorescent to HID lights, they all started to bloom. It would seem that insufficient light intensity was my problem. ps Phal. violacea did flower, so the need for higher light intensity must come from the Phal. lueddemanniana parent. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Phalaenopsis lueddemanniana
Irish who said: >I am not installing HID lights for one lousy Phalaenopsis! ;-( Irish, I would neither, if it only concerned one lousy plant. I was merely suggesting that your problem with Phal.lueddemanniana more than likely stems from insufficient light. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchid Seed Capsule ripening charts
Sue who wrote: >I would like to know if there are any good online Orchid Seed Pod Ripening >Charts. In particular, I have an Ansellia africana that was selfed in late >October and would like to know about when it will be ready to flask. Sue there is a chart called: Interval between pollination and growth of immature embryos in-vitro You will find it on page 274 of Orchid Biology Reviews and Perspectives II edited by Dr. Joseph Arditti. The time shown tells us when immature pro-embryos of non ripe seeds will continue to develop on an artificial medium, in-vitro; outside the capsule. It does not tell us how long it takes for the capsule to mature and produce ripe seeds, which may well be double or triple the time shown in this chart. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Calculating Parts Per Million is easy
Parts Per Million (PPM) Here is a formula for calculating parts per million (PPM) when you use grams of fertilizer and liters of water. PPM = grams of fertilizer x grade x 10 liters of water Say you are mixing 50 grams of fertilizer 15-20-30(NPK) to 100 liters water. How many PPM of each macro element is in your solution? Calculation: PPM of N = 50 x 15 x 10 = 75 100 PPM of P = 50 x 20 (0.43) x 10 = 43 100PPM of K = 50 x 30 (0.83) x 10 = 125 100 Total fertilizer in solution is 243 PPM (Soluble Phosphorus in P is approximately 43%) (Soluble Potash in K is approximately 83%) ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Fw: Oops the division lines did not come through in PPM formula
Oops, lines meaning divide by were left off the formula by the OGD in my previous PPM post Let me try this again another way and see if it comes through, if not, please write me, for in ordinary e-mail the formula is not altered. (I tried by sending it to myself) Subject: Calculating Parts Per Million is easy Parts Per Million (PPM) Here is a formula for calculating parts per million (PPM) when you use grams of fertilizer and liters of water. PPM = (grams of fertilizer divided by liters of water) x grade x 10 Say you are mixing 50 grams of fertilizer 15-20-30(NPK) to 100 liters water. How many PPM of each macro element is in your solution? Calculation: PPM of N = ( 50 divided by 100) x 15 x 10 = 75 PPM of P = (50 divided by 100) x 20 (0.43) x 10 = 43 PPM of K = (50 divided by 100) x 30 (0.83) x 10 = 125 Total fertilizer in solution is 243 PPM (Soluble Phosphorus in P is approximately 43%) (Soluble Potash in K is approximately 83%) ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Peru Flora Questions
Dot, who asked questions concerning legality of Pk flasks from Peru Flora. There are only two INRENA registered Pk nurseries in Peru, and only these two are licensed to Artificially Propagate Phragmipedium kovachii.They are: 1) Jardineria Manrique, owner Alfredo Manrique, permit 001 2) Orquideas Peruanas, or Orquidaria, or Peru Flora, owner Manuel Arias Silva, permit 002 These two Peruvians were each allowed to collect five Phrag kovachii plants in Pk habitats designated by INRENA. From these five plants they may produce divisions, seed capsules, flasks, hybrids, etc., but only in their own nurseries and their own laboratories. In the Peru Flora brochure, five stock plants are named (clonal names) These five plants belong to Manuel Arias Silva of Lima Peru. Questions sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] , are answered by Manola Arias, who is the son of Manuel Arias. The web page listed as www.peru-flora.com coming soon, does not yet exist. As to your question: >1. The brochure claims that all orders will have CITES and Phytosanitary > Certificates, but are Phragmipedium kovachii flasks really legal?? YES, but let me qualify it as follows: a) these flasks are legal only if they were produced in Manuel Arias' laboratory, using seed capsules grown in his nursery on these five plants. b) these flasks will be legal in the eyes of the Peruvian government, if they issue export CITES certificates and Phytosanitary certificates. c) they will be legal in the importing country, if INRENA down graded the flasked seedlings from App I to App II. As you may know, App I orchids in addition to the above mentioned certificates need import CITES from the importing country CITES authority. >2. Assuming I order and pay Peru Flora for a flasks and Documents, will >I receive the flasks, or is there a chance that they will be >confiscated by the CITES authorities of my country, the USA?THAT NO ONE CAN NOT TELL YOU, but the USA CITES Authority.. I suggest you contact them. INRENA = Peruvian Ministry of Natural Resources; (also Peruvian CITES authority.) CITES Certificate SENASA = Peruvian Ministry of Agriculture. Phytosanitary Certificate. Hope this helps Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] blooper
Sorry I meant to say in my previous e-mail THAT, NO ONE CAN TELL YOU but the USA CITES Authority.. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Brazilian orchid species
Hi, I want to purchase Brazilian orchid species seeds, any genus. Please e-mail me off OGD : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Phalaenopsis Black Ruby 'Orchis'
Hi Iris, See picture of Phalaenopsis Black Ruby 'Orchis' on the web page of Dragon Agro Products of Kendall Park, New Jersey. web page: http://www.dragonagro.com/dapphal.htm It appears to be an unregistered grex Company President: Perla Wee should be able to give you more information on it Address: DRAGON AGRO PRODUCTSPO BOX 33Kendall Park, NJ 08824-0033Tel: 1-908-208-4767Tel : 1-732-297-2829Fax : 1-732-297-6276website: www.dragonagro.comEmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Uri..........
I have to agree with Andy.Uri you are a pain in the ass. Guido contributes more in one post than you do in ten years. So please go away and stop your idiotic unwarranted attacks on Guido. Peter . ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] To Uri
When you agree with Sheldon's suggestion of "a Catasetum stuck up Guido's ass" and then make it worse by suggesting a Cactus, you are in no position to object being called a pain in the ass, or to the use of the word ass. Get on with your life Uri; get off Guido's back and stop boring us with your problem. ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Size and weight of Rhizanthella gardneri seeds
Can someone tell me the size and weight of Rhizanthella gardneri seeds? Thanks for your help, Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] International Orchid Show held in Lima and Moyobamba Peru, this month
Hi, I have been asked to invite you all to Club Peruano de Orquideas' sixth International Orchid Show in Lima October 21 to 23, 2005 and Moyobamba October 28 to 30, 2005 For details visit their web site at: http://www.peruorchids.com/ Click on English Version, top right corner of home page. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] NO CITES required for Phragmipedium kovachii flasks
There may be two reasons why many people
erroneously believe orchid flasks need CITES.
1.The April 2005 issue of AOS ORCHIDS,
carries an article by Roddy Gabel entitled:
IMPORTING PHRAGMIPEDIUM KOVACHII.
{Roddy Gabel is the Chief, Division of Scientific Authority, US Fish and
Wildlife Authority
in Arlington VA.}
.
Though CITES Import and Export documents are
needed for Phragmipedium
kovachii plants,
this article may one lead to believe that
CITES documents are also
needed for Phragmipedium kovachii
flasks.
Nothing could be farther from the truth.
Six month before Roddy wrote this article, CITES' Thirteenth Meeting
of the Conference
of the Parties was held in Bangkok (Thailand,) October 2-14, 2004.
Since then it was made abundantly clear by CITES that Phragmipedium flasked
seedlings
DO NOT REQUIRE CITES DOCUMENTS.
{You may read it on the CITES WEB SITE : http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.shtml
On the App I list, scroll 3/4 of the way down to FLORA (PLANTS) and
then scroll
down to ORCHIDACEAE spp.}
Here is what it says:
CITES Appendix I , ORCHIDACEAE
spp.
(For all of the following Appendix-I
species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro,
in solid or liquid media,
transported in sterile containers are not subject to the provisions
of the Convention)
Aerangis ellisii; Dendrobium
cruentum; Laelia jongheana; Laelia lobata; Paphiopedilum spp.;
Peristeria elata; Phragmipedium spp.; Renathera
imshootiana
2.INRENA is writing their
Phragmipedium kovachii flasks Export Permits on CITES certificates;
this may give people the wrong impression, namely
that CITES`are needed for orchid flasks, when in
fact all orchid flasks are CITES exempt!!
Peter
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[OGD] Orchid species seed capsules wanted
Hi, Orchid species seed capsules wanted. See: http://orchids.golden.net/~orchids ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Orchid species seed capsules wanted (correction)
Hi Stuart, Thank you for pointing it out, the link is the old one and has been changed, sorry. Here is the correct one: orchid species seed capsules wanted see: http://home.golden.net/~orchids ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Please send me current pictures of legally propagated Pk seedlings you purchased from Peruflora
Hi,
If anyone among you has purchased legal
Phragmipedium kovachii flasks from Peru, please
send a current picture of YOUR Pk flasks, or YOUR de-flasked Pk seedlings, to my private
e-mail address, [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will
share them in private e-mails with anyone
who requests them from me.
{There is a reluctance on the part of those in
the USA who did purchase such Pk flasks,
to show me what
they purchased.One can only imagine their reasons.}
Before you send US$ 1060.- for 50-60 Pk
seedlings, plus $ 160.- for unnecessary
CITES documents, you better make certain you know what you are getting for
your
money.
Unnecessary CITES Documents is
correct.
The Peru INRENA CITES official, Ing. Antonio
Morizaki Taura, who's signature
appears on the
unnecessary CITES export documents for
Phragmipedium kovachii flasks, seems not only
unaware of the current CITES
rules, he also
appears to be totally
ignorant of how CITES works.
Fact is that not one
single CITES member Country determines
on its own which species require
CITES and which ones do not; let
alone implement such ill conceived notions.
CITES has made it abundantly clear that at present
there is not one single flasked orchid species,
regardless in which
Appendix it is listed, that requires CITES documents. Here is what you will find
in CITES document Appendices I, II, and
III:
ORCHIDACEAE
spp.:
(For all of the
following Appendix-I species, seedling or tissue cultures obtained in vitro,
in solid or liquid media, transported in sterile containers are not subject
to the provisions
of the
Convention)
Aerangis
ellisii; Dendrobium cruentum; Laelia jongheana; Laelia lobata; peristeria elata;
Renanthera
imshootiana; Pahiopedilum spp.; Phragmipedium spp.
See:
http://www.cites.org/eng/app/appendices.shtml
Scroll down to Orchidaceae spp in App I.
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[OGD] pictures of Phragmipedium kovachii seedlings
Thank you for sending me pictures of the legal Phragmipedium kovachii seedlings you purchased from Peruflora. If you ordered some, be prepared to replate and compot, before the flask arrive from Peru. The pictures show the flask contents as seedlings of many different sizes, protocorms and medium all mixed into a messy clump. These need to be replated immediately, in order for some of them to grow and survive. If the purchased flasks are also contaminated, as some of you have reported, the fresh replating medium more often than not will make the contaminants grow so rapidly that they will choke and eventually kill the seedlings and protocorms. You must then immediately compot them from these contaminated freshly replated flasks. The larger seedlings should survive and grow into mature plants, but the smaller ones and the protocorms will most likely die. Peter ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Pk flasks, seedlings
Cody, I have also seen the Pk prices you talk about. Did you read the terms? The ones you are talking about do come from Peru's legal Pk lab # 2 and, as far as I know, will not be available until March 2007, for the owner signed a business contract with the vendor that he would not sell the seedlings for 2 years from date of purchase. Let me tell you that the first Pk seedlings coming from Peru's legal Pk laboratory #1, operated by Alfredo Manrique are now in the USA and should be available from Glen Decker, possibly in 2006. You will have to contact him, or wait for the first ones to become available in Canada. In a few months Alfredo's Pk flasks are expected in Canada and the seedlings will go on sale as soon as they are ready. I expect the prices to be very reasonable. Peter Cody: I was quite surprised at the prices one certain orchid nursery was offeringPk hybrids for...$250 US and if it was an international order, it had to beat least $1000 US. OMG people, where is the reality in this? Does thatnursery think so many people have the money for a plant costing that much?Maybe it's just an ego trip to be able to say ' I've got a Pk hybrid, haveyou gotten yours yet?" ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
