Re: [OGD] Re: Eating orchids...
Steve, here are my suggestions for Rifat: If the seeds are germinating in the flasks I would doubt the agar media is the problem. I think the media is the problem. There are a few options here. My first choice would be to change the media. Peat and perlite makes a very thick mix. so if you are intent on using perlite try something like 3/4 perlite and 1/4 peat. I still don't like that mix though. I'd try something more like 1/2 finely shredded sphagnum, 1/4 perlite, and the rest should be a mix of fine coconut husk, small pieces of bark, and a peat. This mix will help to keep the roots moist but not wet. My guess with the media before would be something like the top layer is drying out too fast so continuous watering must be done. This never allows the soil a chance to dry out and is a vector for pathogens. The other thing that should be done it pasteurization of the soil. I like to get my soil mixes moist and then bake them at about 425 for about 10 minutes or until it's all completely hot. Peat will contain the potential for lost of disease so it's possible that just pasteurizing the peat perlite mix he is using might fix the problem if more care is taken with the watering system. I would also be careful how much fungicide you put on there cause you can kill the beneficial fungus as well. This would make reinfection of the symbiotic fungi less likely. This is my take on it. Forward it to him after you have read it and if you have any input let me know. Dave Rifat> Hello OGD'ers, Rifat> I'm from TURKEY. Yes, in my country, we use orchid tubers ( Rifat> tubers of Orchis italica, Barlia robertiana, Anacamptis pyrimidalis, Rifat> Himantoglossum affine) to make ice-cream. It give very hard and viscous Rifat> ice-cream which can be truck a caravan ( I saw at a television show). I'm Rifat> a PhD student in Ege University Agriculture Faculty. Previous year some Rifat> peoples offered salep (tuberous orchid) producing project to us ( Rifat> because, collecting salep tubers from nature is prohibited now). I have Rifat> some succes on germinating of the seeds, but, transplanting to the soil Rifat> is a problem. Although I use fungicide ( carbendazime), I lost nearly all Rifat> of the salep plantlets when I transplanted to the soil, due to the mould Rifat> contamination. Have you got any suggestion ? Thanks . Rifat> Rifat> Rifat Tarik Yararbas Rifat> Rifat> __ Rifat> Do You Yahoo!? Rifat> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around Rifat> http://mail.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Re: Eating orchids...
Rifat, Rather than relying on a broad spectrum fungicide you should look at pastuerizing your seedling media and inoculating your seedlings with some beneficial micro-organisms (Bacillus subtilus, Trichoderma sp.etc ). Ihave been using this method for several years now and am very pleased with the results, low losses and increased vigor. Many fungicides have a stunting effect on plants, Benomyl types are particularly bad ( carbendazime) which are not readily apparent until you do a side by side comparison. Paul LeBlanc -- Original message -- Hello OGD'ers, I'm from TURKEY. Yes, in my country, we use orchid tubers ( tubers of Orchis italica, Barlia robertiana, Anacamptis pyrimidalis, Himantoglossum affine) to make ice-cream. It give very hard and viscous ice-cream which can be truck a caravan ( I saw at a television show). I'm a PhD student in Ege University Agriculture Faculty. Previous year some peoples offered salep (tuberous orchid) producing project to us ( because, collecting salep tubers from nature is prohibited now). I have some succes on germinating of the seeds, but, transplanting to the soil is a problem. Although I use fungicide ( carbendazime), I lost nearly all of the salep plantlets when I transplanted to the soil, due to the mould contamination. Have you got any suggestion ? Thanks . Rifat Tarik Yararbas __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com --- Begin Message --- ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com --- End Message --- ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
Re: [OGD] Re: Eating orchids...
What media are you using to germinate them? What soil are you using once you transplant them? ST Rifat> Hello OGD'ers, Rifat> I'm from TURKEY. Yes, in my country, we use orchid tubers ( Rifat> tubers of Orchis italica, Barlia robertiana, Anacamptis pyrimidalis, Rifat> Himantoglossum affine) to make ice-cream. It give very hard and viscous Rifat> ice-cream which can be truck a caravan ( I saw at a television show). I'm Rifat> a PhD student in Ege University Agriculture Faculty. Previous year some Rifat> peoples offered salep (tuberous orchid) producing project to us ( Rifat> because, collecting salep tubers from nature is prohibited now). I have Rifat> some succes on germinating of the seeds, but, transplanting to the soil Rifat> is a problem. Although I use fungicide ( carbendazime), I lost nearly all Rifat> of the salep plantlets when I transplanted to the soil, due to the mould Rifat> contamination. Have you got any suggestion ? Thanks . Rifat> Rifat> Rifat Tarik Yararbas Rifat> Rifat> __ Rifat> Do You Yahoo!? Rifat> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around Rifat> http://mail.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Eating orchids...
Hello OGD'ers, I'm from TURKEY. Yes, in my country, we use orchid tubers ( tubers of Orchis italica, Barlia robertiana, Anacamptis pyrimidalis, Himantoglossum affine) to make ice-cream. It give very hard and viscous ice-cream which can be truck a caravan ( I saw at a television show). I'm a PhD student in Ege University Agriculture Faculty. Previous year some peoples offered salep (tuberous orchid) producing project to us ( because, collecting salep tubers from nature is prohibited now). I have some succes on germinating of the seeds, but, transplanting to the soil is a problem. Although I use fungicide ( carbendazime), I lost nearly all of the salep plantlets when I transplanted to the soil, due to the mould contamination. Have you got any suggestion ? Thanks . Rifat Tarik Yararbas __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Eating Orchids
About eating orchid roots in Europe. It was tubers mostly from genus Orchis and Anacamptis that was (or still is) used. The tubers where dried and ground to a powder. Mixed with water (salep) it was used as medicine against diarrhoea but most of all it was used as an aphrodisiac. Probably because that those genus always have two rounded tuber, one old and one new, that reminds of testicles. Ivar E - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 12:07 PM Subject: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 78 > Send Orchids mailing list submissions to > Orchids@orchidguide.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Orchids digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Very VIVID edible orchid flowers... (Steve Topletz) >2. Eating orchids (Gerald H Fisher) >3. Re: Eating orchids (Steve Topletz) >4. Source for Proportioner (David Roberts) >5. Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 76 (Charles Ufford) >6. Trebly Amazing Andy Easton (Peter O'Byrne) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 05:06:46 -0600 > From: Steve Topletz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OGD] Very VIVID edible orchid flowers... > To: "the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD)" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 > > Interesting. Well, I live near a college campus. If I can get a few blooming size plants of it, we can find out pretty quick. Anyone know if there are toxic > alkaloids in Oncidium? > > ST > > > Dan> Howdy. > > Dan> I've seen it written a few places that Onc. ceboletta has halucinogenicproperties. > Dan> Which part of the plant? I dunno. > Dan> How the Indians got it into the bloodstream--eating, smoking? I dunno. > > Dan> Yeah, like I needed yet another reason for all these"flashbacks". ;>) > > Dan> Dan S. > > Dan> P.S. I think Mardi Gras just happened, but I can't really quiteremember.. > > > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 10:00:50 -0500 > From: "Gerald H Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [OGD] Eating orchids > To: > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I laid back on this theme because I couldn't remember exactly and thought > someone would comment. Something about ice cream and orchid roots and > Greece(? maybe). > > Jerry in IN > > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 11:21:19 -0600 > From: Steve Topletz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [OGD] Eating orchids > To: "the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD)" > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Fox testicle orchids, i think. > > Gerald> I laid back on this theme because I couldn't remember exactly and thought > Gerald> someone would comment. Something about ice cream and orchid roots and > Gerald> Greece(? maybe). > > Gerald> Jerry in IN > > > Gerald> ___ > Gerald> the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) > Gerald> orchids@orchidguide.com > Gerald> http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com > > > > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 13:06:32 -0500 > From: David Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [OGD] Source for Proportioner > To: orchids@orchidguide.com > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Does anyone know a source for Dosotron proportioners, in particular, > model D128R? > > > Thanks, > > David Roberts > Newton, MA > > > > > -- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2005 18:36:43 -0500 > From: Charles Ufford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [OGD] Re: Orchids Digest, Vol 7, Issue 76 > To: > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > on 2/11/05 10:00 PM, Tom wrote: > > > .. My thinking has been that > > this would be a mechanism for transfering virus (and other) problems. > > Has anyone seen any true research (beyond somethin anecdotal) to this > > effect? Just curious. > > > > Tom Bell-Games > > This isn't really a response about the above post, but an extended comment > about the flood bench for antec phrags; just to mention I'm pretty sure that > when Bob W. gave his presentation at our orchid club, he mentioned that all > of the plants going into the system were virus-indexed before they were > allowed in. They have very clean growing areas, and have very good cultural > practices. > Bacteria and fungal rot spores could easily be tr
Re: [OGD] Re: Eating orchids
In 2002 Turkey issued a set of 13 coins showing Flowers of Turkey. One of them is Orchis anatolica. In the write up for the set there is informationa about how this is one of the plants from which salep is derived. Pictures may be seen by going to the Turkish Mint web site. Click on commemorative coins for sale. Andy www.darphane.gov.tr/english.htm Jerry in Indiana---Steve is correct, it's "fox testicle ice cream" or salepi dondurma . It's a Turkish delicacy made from the tubers of Orchis provincialis, according to Eric Hansen, first in his article in Natural History magazine and then in his book Orchid Fever. Hansen describes the ice cream: "The cold silky orbs held the familiar flavors of apricot, pistachio, red currant, peach, vanilla, and bilberry, but there was a subtle aftertaste that I couldn't identify---slightly sweet with a subtle, nutty flavor similar to dried milk powder. It also had a hint of mushrooms, yak butter, and the smell of a goat on a rainy day." The popular dessert is purported to have medicinal properties, used by the Turkish people in preventing an array of maladies and as an aphrodisiac, as well as being elastic enough to use as a jump rope! You should read Orchid Fever if you haven't yet---or read it again! Sandy in Indiana From: "Gerald H Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [OGD] Eating orchidsI laid back on this theme because I couldn't remember exactly and thought someone would comment. Something about ice cream and orchid roots and Greece(? maybe).Jerry in IN From: Steve Topletz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [OGD] Eating orchidsFox testicle orchids, i think.Gerald> I laid back on this theme because I couldn't remember exactly and thoughtGerald> someone would comment. Something about ice cream and orchid roots and Gerald> Greece(? maybe).Gerald> Jerry in IN ___the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD)orchids@orchidguide.comhttp://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re: Eating orchids
Jerry in Indiana---Steve is correct, it's "fox testicle ice cream" or salepi dondurma . It's a Turkish delicacy made from the tubers of Orchis provincialis, according to Eric Hansen, first in his article in Natural History magazine and then in his book Orchid Fever. Hansen describes the ice cream: "The cold silky orbs held the familiar flavors of apricot, pistachio, red currant, peach, vanilla, and bilberry, but there was a subtle aftertaste that I couldn't identify---slightly sweet with a subtle, nutty flavor similar to dried milk powder. It also had a hint of mushrooms, yak butter, and the smell of a goat on a rainy day." The popular dessert is purported to have medicinal properties, used by the Turkish people in preventing an array of maladies and as an aphrodisiac, as well as being elastic enough to use as a jump rope! You should read Orchid Fever if you haven't yet---or read it again! Sandy in Indiana From: "Gerald H Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: [OGD] Eating orchidsI laid back on this theme because I couldn't remember exactly and thought someone would comment. Something about ice cream and orchid roots and Greece(? maybe).Jerry in IN From: Steve Topletz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [OGD] Eating orchidsFox testicle orchids, i think.Gerald> I laid back on this theme because I couldn't remember exactly and thoughtGerald> someone would comment. Something about ice cream and orchid roots and Gerald> Greece(? maybe).Gerald> Jerry in IN ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
