[OGD] Re Jerry's CITES proposals
Jerry Fischer who said: The SQUEEZE, as you call it is unfortunately being put on producers of artificially propagated plants as well as traders in wild specimens. There needs to be a distinction and a separation of the two. That is what my proposal is about. I have read your proposal version 2 on your website. Unfortunately, in some countries, the propagators of legal in-vitro specimen plants are also the traders in wild specimens. They will use their status as a legal propagators to hide the illegal actions behind. Phragmipedium kovachii, which you mention, is a perfect example of this. I do mean mature plants leaving Peru illegally, thousands of them, for to date INRENA has not issued a single CITES Export permit for them. CITES rules, amendments, changes, etc. are voted on by all member countries at the CITES CONVENTION OF THE PARTIES. Your CITES Proposals must be submitted to the US CITES Management Auhtority. Neither you, nor the AOS, have direct input to the CITES Convention of the Parties Agenda. The way I see it, your main problem appears to be with the US CITES Management Authority, putting their own interpretation on CITES rules. I do agree with Peter O'Byrne on this. Peter, in case you do not know it, needs no lessons from any of us on how CITES works. Peter Croezen ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
[OGD] Re Jerry's CITES proposals
Jerry Fischer who said: The SQUEEZE, as you call it is unfortunately being put on producers of artificially propagated plants as well as traders in wild specimens. There needs to be a distinction and a separation of the two. That is what my proposal is about. I have read your proposal version 2 on your website. Unfortunately, in some countries, the propagators of legal in-vitro specimen plants are also the traders in wild specimens. They will use their status as a legal propagators to hide the illegal actions behind. Phragmipedium kovachii, which you mention, is a perfect example of this. I do mean mature plants leaving Peru illegally, thousands of them, for to date INRENA has not issued a single CITES Export permit for them. CITES rules, amendments, changes, etc. are voted on by all member countries at the CITES CONVENTION OF THE PARTIES. Your CITES Proposals must be submitted to the US CITES Management Auhtority. Neither you, nor the AOS, have direct input to the CITES Convention of the Parties Agenda. The way I see it, your main problem appears to be with the US CITES Management Authority, putting their own interpretation on CITES rules. I do agree with Peter O'Byrne on this. Peter, in case you do not know it, needs no lessons from any of us on how CITES works. Peter Croezen ___ the OrchidGuide Digest (OGD) orchids@orchidguide.com http://orchidguide.com/mailman/listinfo/orchids_orchidguide.com
