[Origami] Which of this two is the step?

[Gerardo @neorigami.com]

So a step in a diagram shows two things: (1) how the paper looks after you
followed the symbols from the last step and (3) more symbols indicating
what to do now with the paper.

I'm confused as to which of the two constitutes the step. Let me explain, a
friend is working on diagrams for a model of mine, there's a step where I
wish to say unfold step 2 and there's another step when I wish to say
repeat step 7, but he doesn't agree with me, he says I'm referring to steps
3 and 8 not 2 and 7.

The confusion is because I'm taking the symbols (arrows and lines) as the
step, in that sense it would be 2 and 7, but he understands the step as how
the paper is shown, in that case indeed the steps would be 3 and 8.

What do you think? Which of the two options should we leave in the diagrams?


Thanks in advance and thanks for all the help you're giving me regarding
folding sturdy models : )

Re: [Origami] Which of this two is the step?

[Garibi Ilan]

Gerardo asked: So a step in a diagram shows two things: (1) how the paper
looks after you followed the symbols from the last step and (2) more symbols
indicating what to do now with the paper.
Which of the two options should we leave in the diagrams?



For me it is quite clear - a step is what to do now - and it is the symbols
that tell me what to do. The results are shown in the next diagram. 
So a step is called after the procedure to be done, and not when the result
is shown.

Another way to explain that: imagine that every step is separated into two.
What to do and how it looks after you have done it. Step 5 shows a valley
fold and step 6 only shows the paper after you have done that fold. And step
7 will show another fold and step 8 will show the result of step 7. Now, if
you want to repeat the first valley fold on the other side, you will ask the
folder repeat step 5 and not repeat step 6, of course.

Ilan 

Re: [Origami] Which of this two is the step?

[Hans Dybkjær]

On 16/01/13 16.50, Gerardo @neorigami.com wrote:

The confusion is because I'm taking the symbols (arrows and lines) as the
step, in that sense it would be 2 and 7, but he understands the step as how
the paper is shown, in that case indeed the steps would be 3 and 8.

What do you think? Which of the two options should we leave in the diagrams?

I do understand this confusion. In a sense, the step is the transition 
between the two images rather than any single of them.
When drawing diagrams where each drawing includes folding symbols for 
the next step, my understanding is that the step belongs to the drawing 
that has the symbols and (most) of the explanatory text. That would be 
your 2 and 7 above. This even if the next drawing may have a text that 
refers to the finishing of the step such as Like this; note how flap A 
now aligns with point B.
I strongly believe that this is conventionally so in almost all diagrams 
I've seen: Please repeat step 2 would refer to repeating the actions 
described by the symbols and text included with the drawing with the 
number 2, which depicts the model before doing step 2.


However, I have often made photograms, i.e. simple sequences of photos. 
These do not (in my version) include symbols.
In this case, the explanation of the step is placed with the result 
image. For an example in English, please view 
http://papirfoldning.dk/en/diagrammer/Lilje02.html. And then I would 
refer to the result image and its text as the step.
So in this case the Please repeat step 2 would refer to the text 
accompanying the image that shows the model after doing step 2. Of 
course that image (and the accompanying text) is numbered 2.


You can imagine the confusion I ran into at the time where I added 
symbols to an existing photogram. I had to shift all texts one picture 
to the left, as it was clear to me that the text would have to be with 
the symbols, and that this would define the step.


This possible confusion of what the step refers somehow blending into 
both the before and after drawings is also reflected in the list of 
advices we all give to beginners: When you do a step, remember to look 
ahead to the next image.


Hope this sheds some additional light to you question,
Hans

Hans Dybkjær
papirfoldning.dk
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