Re: [Origami] New instructional video release (Joseph Wu)

[Chila Caldera via Origami]

I'm not going to leave the group; I've also been here for 20+ years and,
even though the list is way less active than it used to be, I still enjoy
being part of this community and would sorely miss it if I left.

However, my first and immediate thought when I saw Joseph's post was
something like "oh, girl, nothing good's gonna come from this!" It brought
to mind the analogy of the person who shows up at the party where
everyone is having fun, and drops a t--d in the punchbowl.

I have great respect and admiration for Joseph's abilities as a folder and
his many outstanding designs. But. I strongly feel that this is not the
appropriate venue for *that* post. Facebook or Instagram, maybe. Or his
personal website? The post really did contain an
un-missable political statement, which is beyond the pale in this forum and
does nothing to facilitate communication and camaraderie, not to mention
enjoyment, of origami, which is why most of us are here, I think.

... Chila Caldera
I fold, therefore I think; I think therefore I am
Folding for fun in Northern Arizona USA ///

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 3:55 PM Leslie Mitchell via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

> This posting & its linked video/commentary are entirely inappropriate for
> this list & I'm very surprised that it was allowed. I've been on this list
> for 20+ years & it's always been a fun, creative & *non-threatening*
> space for folders of any race/creed/religion, until today. The suggestion
> of discussing its art-related aspects rather than political implications
> for such inflammatory content is ridiculous. My comments have nothing to
> do with free speech, but rather with poor discretion, despite the link's
> origami-related content. I believe that this post is what should find
> another venue.
>
>
> Leslie
> __
>
> 

>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. New instructional video release (Joseph Wu)
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 12:31:23 -0700
> From: Joseph Wu 
> To: List Origami Mailing 
> Subject: [Origami] New instructional video release
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> This list is not a place for political discussions, but art is sometimes
> political. I've created a piece (and released an instructional video for
> it) in support of a cause with which you might not agree, or find
> offensive. Please discuss the *art* or *origami* aspects of this here; if
> you wish to engage in political dialog, you'll need to find another venue.
>
> This piece, ?Cat Head for Palestine?, was originally designed for the
> Origami World Marathon 2024. Since I almost never make instructions of any
> kind, I decided to withdraw it from that event and to release it for this
> purpose instead.
>
> 

Re: [Origami] New instructional video release (Joseph Wu)

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

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On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 9:52 AM Anne Arrowsmith  wrote:

> Was waiting for the response. This is different. Unsubscribing.
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:58 PM Anne LaVin via Origami <
> origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:
>
>> We're very sorry that you found Joseph's post objectionable.
>>
>> Prior to his posting it, we discussed the content, and whether it would
>> cause problems on the list.
>>
>> We decided that, as stated in the message, sometimes art is indeed
>> political, and that folks might not agree with or be offended by the cause
>> it was created to support. The title of the piece made the content clear,
>> and readers could choose whether or not they wished to follow the link, or
>> ignore it.
>>
>> That an artist might make art supporting their views around such a
>> contentious, complex and difficult situation is hardly surprising. Posting
>> about the existence of such art was not intended to offend, nor make anyone
>> feel unwelcome or threatened in any way.
>>
>> And, at the end of the day, the post was about *origami art* - you might
>> not like how it was executed, what it represents, or what it is in support
>> of, but that happens, sometimes, with art.
>>
>> Anne LaVin
>> list admin
>>
>>
>> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:55 PM Leslie Mitchell via Origami <
>> origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:
>>
>>> This posting & its linked video/commentary are entirely inappropriate
>>> for this list & I'm very surprised that it was allowed. I've been on this
>>> list for 20+ years & it's always been a fun, creative &
>>> *non-threatening* space for folders of any race/creed/religion, until
>>> today. The suggestion of discussing its art-related aspects rather than
>>> political implications for such inflammatory content is ridiculous. My
>>> comments have nothing to do with free speech, but rather with poor
>>> discretion, despite the link's origami-related content. I believe that this
>>> post is what should find another venue.
>>>
>>>
>>> Leslie
>>> __
>>>
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 12:31:23 -0700
>>> From: Joseph Wu 
>>> To: List Origami Mailing 
>>> Subject: [Origami] New instructional video release
>>> Message-ID: 
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> This list is not a place for political discussions, but art is sometimes
>>> political. I've created a piece (and released an instructional video for
>>> it) in support of a cause with which you might not agree, or find
>>> offensive. Please discuss the *art* or *origami* aspects of this here; if
>>> you wish to engage in political dialog, you'll need to find another venue.
>>>
>>> This piece, ?Cat Head for Palestine?, was originally designed for the
>>> Origami World Marathon 2024. Since I almost never make instructions of any
>>> kind, I decided to withdraw it from that event and to release it for this
>>> purpose instead.
>>>
>>> You can find the video, with more information about the design, here:
>>> https://vimeo.com/910557067
>>>
>>>

Re: [Origami] New instructional video release (Joseph Wu)

[Anne Arrowsmith via Origami]

Was waiting for the response. This is different. Unsubscribing.

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:58 PM Anne LaVin via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

> We're very sorry that you found Joseph's post objectionable.
>
> Prior to his posting it, we discussed the content, and whether it would
> cause problems on the list.
>
> We decided that, as stated in the message, sometimes art is indeed
> political, and that folks might not agree with or be offended by the cause
> it was created to support. The title of the piece made the content clear,
> and readers could choose whether or not they wished to follow the link, or
> ignore it.
>
> That an artist might make art supporting their views around such a
> contentious, complex and difficult situation is hardly surprising. Posting
> about the existence of such art was not intended to offend, nor make anyone
> feel unwelcome or threatened in any way.
>
> And, at the end of the day, the post was about *origami art* - you might
> not like how it was executed, what it represents, or what it is in support
> of, but that happens, sometimes, with art.
>
> Anne LaVin
> list admin
>
>
> On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:55 PM Leslie Mitchell via Origami <
> origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:
>
>> This posting & its linked video/commentary are entirely inappropriate for
>> this list & I'm very surprised that it was allowed. I've been on this list
>> for 20+ years & it's always been a fun, creative & *non-threatening*
>> space for folders of any race/creed/religion, until today. The suggestion
>> of discussing its art-related aspects rather than political implications
>> for such inflammatory content is ridiculous. My comments have nothing to
>> do with free speech, but rather with poor discretion, despite the link's
>> origami-related content. I believe that this post is what should find
>> another venue.
>>
>>
>> Leslie
>> __
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 12:00:05 PM EDT,
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 12:31:23 -0700
>> From: Joseph Wu 
>> To: List Origami Mailing 
>> Subject: [Origami] New instructional video release
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> This list is not a place for political discussions, but art is sometimes
>> political. I've created a piece (and released an instructional video for
>> it) in support of a cause with which you might not agree, or find
>> offensive. Please discuss the *art* or *origami* aspects of this here; if
>> you wish to engage in political dialog, you'll need to find another venue.
>>
>> This piece, ?Cat Head for Palestine?, was originally designed for the
>> Origami World Marathon 2024. Since I almost never make instructions of any
>> kind, I decided to withdraw it from that event and to release it for this
>> purpose instead.
>>
>> You can find the video, with more information about the design, here:
>> https://vimeo.com/910557067
>>
>> --
>> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist (via iPhone)
>> e: josep...@origami.as
>> w: http://www.origami.as
>> flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/josephwuorigami/
>> facebook: http://www.facebook.com/joseph.wu.origami
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Re: [Origami] New instructional video release (Joseph Wu)

[Anne LaVin via Origami]

We're very sorry that you found Joseph's post objectionable.

Prior to his posting it, we discussed the content, and whether it would
cause problems on the list.

We decided that, as stated in the message, sometimes art is indeed
political, and that folks might not agree with or be offended by the cause
it was created to support. The title of the piece made the content clear,
and readers could choose whether or not they wished to follow the link, or
ignore it.

That an artist might make art supporting their views around such a
contentious, complex and difficult situation is hardly surprising. Posting
about the existence of such art was not intended to offend, nor make anyone
feel unwelcome or threatened in any way.

And, at the end of the day, the post was about *origami art* - you might
not like how it was executed, what it represents, or what it is in support
of, but that happens, sometimes, with art.

Anne LaVin
list admin


On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 6:55 PM Leslie Mitchell via Origami <
origami@lists.digitalorigami.com> wrote:

> This posting & its linked video/commentary are entirely inappropriate for
> this list & I'm very surprised that it was allowed. I've been on this list
> for 20+ years & it's always been a fun, creative & *non-threatening*
> space for folders of any race/creed/religion, until today. The suggestion
> of discussing its art-related aspects rather than political implications
> for such inflammatory content is ridiculous. My comments have nothing to
> do with free speech, but rather with poor discretion, despite the link's
> origami-related content. I believe that this post is what should find
> another venue.
>
>
> Leslie
> __
>
>
> On Sunday, May 12, 2024 at 12:00:05 PM EDT,
> origami-requ...@lists.digitalorigami.com <
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> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 12:31:23 -0700
> From: Joseph Wu 
> To: List Origami Mailing 
> Subject: [Origami] New instructional video release
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> This list is not a place for political discussions, but art is sometimes
> political. I've created a piece (and released an instructional video for
> it) in support of a cause with which you might not agree, or find
> offensive. Please discuss the *art* or *origami* aspects of this here; if
> you wish to engage in political dialog, you'll need to find another venue.
>
> This piece, ?Cat Head for Palestine?, was originally designed for the
> Origami World Marathon 2024. Since I almost never make instructions of any
> kind, I decided to withdraw it from that event and to release it for this
> purpose instead.
>
> You can find the video, with more information about the design, here:
> https://vimeo.com/910557067
>
> --
> Joseph Wu, Origami Artist (via iPhone)
> e: josep...@origami.as
> w: http://www.origami.as
> flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/josephwuorigami/
> facebook: http://www.facebook.com/joseph.wu.origami
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Re: [Origami] New instructional video release (Joseph Wu)

[Leslie Mitchell via Origami]

This posting & its linked video/commentary are entirely inappropriate for this 
list & I'm very surprised that it was allowed. I've been on this list for 20+ 
years & it's always been a fun, creative & non-threatening space for folders of 
any race/creed/religion, until today. The suggestion of discussing its 
art-related aspects rather than political implications for such  inflammatory 
content is ridiculous. My comments have nothing to do with free speech, but 
rather with poor discretion, despite the link's origami-related content. I 
believe that this post is what should find another venue.  


Leslie
__
 

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  1. New instructional video release (Joseph Wu)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 11 May 2024 12:31:23 -0700
From: Joseph Wu 
To: List Origami Mailing 
Subject: [Origami] New instructional video release
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

This list is not a place for political discussions, but art is sometimes 
political. I've created a piece (and released an instructional video for it) in 
support of a cause with which you might not agree, or find offensive. Please 
discuss the *art* or *origami* aspects of this here; if you wish to engage in 
political dialog, you'll need to find another venue.

This piece, ?Cat Head for Palestine?, was originally designed for the Origami 
World Marathon 2024. Since I almost never make instructions of any kind, I 
decided to withdraw it from that event and to release it for this purpose 
instead. 

You can find the video, with more information about the design, here: 
https://vimeo.com/910557067

--
Joseph Wu, Origami Artist (via iPhone)
e: josep...@origami.as
w: http://www.origami.as
flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/josephwuorigami/
facebook: http://www.facebook.com/joseph.wu.origami
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