Re: [Origami] origami patent includes water bomb pattern
>How can write a patent including the a plain waterbomb pattern with no publication citations? In at least one of Ron Resch's patents, he references the waterbomb Here is a list of his patens for perusal. http://www.ronresch.org/ronresch/ron-resch-resume/patents/ ORIFUN to all, Dianne
Re: [Origami] origami patent includes water bomb pattern
On Mon, 18 Feb 2019 at 11:21, Matthew Gardiner wrote: > > That work, and the pattern, Figure 11 of the patent, reminded me of Tomoko > Fuse’s Spiral work from this book: Fuse, Tomoko. Spiral: Origami, Art, > Design. Viereck Verlag, 2012. > > This is a really fantastic book, if you haven’t seen it, but its kind of > hard to get. I picked one up from Nicholas Terry at CFC in Lyon France. I > was amazed by the level of sustained variety in the one topic and folding > style. Its like Fuse sets out to systematically show everything that is > possible in this genre. Rather than just invent a model, she describes a > whole folding system. It was very inspiring for me during my research to > see how thorough an artistic system can be. > Here's another great book by Tomoko Fuse: TOMOKO FUSE - LA REINE DE L'ORIGAMI (FRENCH) Italian version: https://www.nuinui.ch/it/libro/tomoko-fuse-larte-dellorigami/ Available here: https://www.origami-shop.com/en/tomoko-fuse-reine-lorigami-xml-206_641_517_247-11481.html or https://www.amazon.it/Tomoko-Fuse-regina-origami-illustrata/dp/2889352056r Not yet available in English, but I think plans are afoot. It's a gorgeous picture book, with a few diagrams so maybe the text isn't so important. SPIRAL can be also be obtained directly from the publishers, Viereck Verlag. https://viereck-verlag.de/en/produkt/spiral-origami-art-design/ Both books are essential for all fans of Tomoko Fuse and her work. Yours Dave Brill www.brilliantorigami.com
Re: [Origami] origami patent includes water bomb pattern
> On 15 Feb 2019, at 1:58 pm, Robert Lang wrote: > > Thus spake "Origami on behalf of Matthew Gardiner" > > on 2/13/19, 10:07 PM: > >Can anyone shed some light on this? >How can write a patent including the a plain waterbomb pattern with no > publication citations? I apologise for the poor wording of this sentence. Thankyou to everyone who managed to grasp my meaning. I meant to say: how can one write a patent, including the waterbomb pattern with no publication citations about the waterbomb? > Actually, there are citations of both publications and patents. But they're > pretty thin. Agreed. I checked out the other patents cited and they set the stage for novelty as a new type of lampshade cover, folded lampshades and lighting effects. My question related to the lack of reference to prior art, in particular the plethora of origami and math related publications that discuss the water bomb. I understand now, thanks to some off-list emails that as the patent filer, you want the patent to pass, and not get rejected based on prior art. Others also suggested that the reviewer probably had limited scope of expertise. > You can say pretty much anything you want in the disclosure and spec, but > what matters is the claims. And these claims are pretty narrow! For one > thing, they only apply to a light cover, and in claim 1 there's a requirement > that the score lines be "digitally created", which would make it pretty easy > to circumvent. Thanks for shedding some light on this aspect of the patent and patenting! I am really not up to speed with how the claims function. Whether or not the claims compound, or if they are standalone, but this isn’t the list to discuss that, so please see below for my Origami discussion of spirals. >does anyone know the inventor? > > Yes, she's one of the artists in the "Above the Fold" traveling exhibition. > Her work is a gigantic cardboard Yoshimura pattern, which is pretty cool (you > can walk inside it). Thanks both Tomohiro and Robert for giving me a context the artist/inventor and her work. I’ve seen that piece via my PhD research, but only in pictures. It looks pretty amazing, great construction method and use of scale. That work, and the pattern, Figure 11 of the patent, reminded me of Tomoko Fuse’s Spiral work from this book: Fuse, Tomoko. Spiral: Origami, Art, Design. Viereck Verlag, 2012. This is a really fantastic book, if you haven’t seen it, but its kind of hard to get. I picked one up from Nicholas Terry at CFC in Lyon France. I was amazed by the level of sustained variety in the one topic and folding style. Its like Fuse sets out to systematically show everything that is possible in this genre. Rather than just invent a model, she describes a whole folding system. It was very inspiring for me during my research to see how thorough an artistic system can be. Speaking of research, my PhD thesis ORI* on the Aesthetics of Folding and Technology is almost able to be published, just the last few formal steps, which feel like they are taking forever. As soon as its out, I’ll post a link to it the list. Matthew
Re: [Origami] origami patent includes water bomb pattern
Thus spake "Origami on behalf of Matthew Gardiner" on 2/13/19, 10:07 PM: Can anyone shed some light on this? How can write a patent including the a plain waterbomb pattern with no publication citations? Actually, there are citations of both publications and patents. But they're pretty thin. If you design it, yes, of course, but there are so many examples of prior art in academic literature as well… looks like one can file for any origami pattern they like. See Figure 18… also Figure 11. Wow, one only needs to look at Fuse’s Spiral book for prior art. https://jiangmeiwu.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Final_Published_Patent_JiangmeiWu.pdf You can say pretty much anything you want in the disclosure and spec, but what matters is the claims. And these claims are pretty narrow! For one thing, they only apply to a light cover, and in claim 1 there's a requirement that the score lines be "digitally created", which would make it pretty easy to circumvent. But I would agree with Tomohiro, that in any sort of legal dispute, it would likely be found invalid due to lack of novelty over non-disclosed prior art. (This opinion brought to you by "I am not a patent lawyer, but I spent lots of time with them going over this sort of thing in a prior life.") does anyone know the inventor? Yes, she's one of the artists in the "Above the Fold" traveling exhibition. Her work is a gigantic cardboard Yoshimura pattern, which is pretty cool (you can walk inside it). Robert
Re: [Origami] origami patent includes water bomb pattern
Hmm... Maybe the patent was poorly reviewed. I believe it is invalidateable... I met her at 7osme. She gave a talk there. https://soaad.indiana.edu/about/faculty/wu-jiangmei.html Tomohiro Tachi From: Origami on behalf of Matthew Gardiner Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2019 3:07:55 PM To: The Origami Mailing List Subject: [Origami] origami patent includes water bomb pattern hello o-list, Can anyone shed some light on this? How can write a patent including the a plain waterbomb pattern with no publication citations? If you design it, yes, of course, but there are so many examples of prior art in academic literature as well… looks like one can file for any origami pattern they like. See Figure 18… also Figure 11. Wow, one only needs to look at Fuse’s Spiral book for prior art. https://jiangmeiwu.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Final_Published_Patent_JiangmeiWu.pdf does anyone know the inventor? best, Matthew