Re: orion-list Qumran Cemetery and el-Ghuweir

2002-02-20 Thread Ian Hutchesson


Thanks for your response, Joe.

You wrote:

>As for your query, the presence of the east-woman
>burial in the cemetery does not in my opinion present
>any problems as there are def. women in the cemetery,
>however all of the woman there like the males are
>buried north-south as in Qumran which is dateable to
>the same period.  Since Jews do not deviate from this
>practice of burying men in one direction, women in the
>other, the burial is simply a another Bedouin burial.

I was confused about this last sentence, thinking by 
"one direction" you meant n-s and "the other" meant e-w, 
but this doesn't make sense to me so I gather you meant 
something else, perhaps for example male with head to 
the north, female to the south. Is that correct?

As to the one e-w burial at el-Ghuweir, its location 
between two n-s tombs suggests that it is an integral 
part of the cemetery. Otherwise, one would have to 
suppose that the ancient gravediggers left a space 
between two n-s tombs which co-incidentally was wide 
enough for a late e-w burial.

(However, I have reread your DSD article and the case for 
e-w burials at Qumran being Bedouin seems quite 
reasonable.)

Bar-Adon goes into detail giving the form of four of the 
graves, showing them to be the same range of shaft-tombs 
as found at Qumran. He makes no differentiation between 
the women's graves at el-Ghuweir and those of the men, 
accepting the cemetery as apparently homogeneous (with 
doubts about the one e-w tomb). Can we assume that there 
is a precedent for women in such a cemetery as the type 
found at Qumran?

Steckoll notes three female burials (G.6, 7, & 8 -- G.6 
with baby) in the main cemetery all being n-s (RQ 6 p.335).

>Unfort. he does not go into any details re: depth,
>orientation etc. I have the impression that the graves
>were dug by workers/volunteers and then transferred to
>the anthro. labs and age/sex there. 

This would make his reference to the Bedouin being "expert 
in differentiating ... between ancient graves and Bedouin 
sites of recent origin" rather strange. I thought it 
implied that Bedouin were involved in the digging. How do 
you read it?

>Thus what would
>have been obvious to the physical anthropologist
>dealing with burials, escaped his attention esp. since
>there was a nearby Bedouin cemetry. 

He is quite aware of the Bedouin e-w burials found in a 
cemetery to the south which featured the face to the south 
towards Mecca, suggesting that he had looked into the 
matter firsthand. I find it hard to understand that he 
wouldn't indicate such irregularities in his own excavation 
of the el-Ghuweir cemetery. He does talk as though he is 
aware of what is, and what is not, Bedouin when, after 
describing the Bedouin cemetery, he goes on to say that it 
was not case with the 18 tombs he investigated on the north 
hill.

Bar-Adon presents his understanding of the circumstances 
of this cemetery and the problems concerning it as 
relatively exhaustive.

And thanks for the information about the use of madder. 
It didn't make much sense before.


Cheers,


Ian


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Re: orion-list Qumran Cemetery and el-Ghuweir

2002-02-18 Thread Joe Zias


Dear Ian
 I once tried in vain to find Bar-Adon's field notes
in the IAA which may have shed light on the cemetery
of Ain el-ghuweir however there were no where to be
found.

As for your query, the presence of the east-woman
burial in the cemetery does not in my opinion present
any problems as there are def. women in the cemetery,
however all of the woman there like the males are
buried north-south as in Qumran which is dateable to
the same period.  Since Jews do not deviate from this
practice of burying men in one direction, women in the
other, the burial is simply a another Bedouin burial.
Unfort. he does not go into any details re: depth,
orientation etc. I have the impression that the graves
were dug by workers/volunteers and then transferred to
the anthro. labs and age/sex there. Thus what would
have been obvious to the physical anthropologist
dealing with burials, escaped his attention esp. since
there was a nearby Bedouin cemetry. 

As for the madder, we see this so frequently in time
and space that it hardly mentions more than a footnote
in our reports. It even appears in pre-historic
burials in the Sinai.  Everyone it seems to have used
it from time to time, believing that it strengthened
the bones, whereas all it does is to stain them and
confuse the issue. Nothing more...

Joe


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orion-list Qumran Cemetery and el-Ghuweir

2002-02-17 Thread Ian Hutchesson



Joe,

Further reading fo the el-Ghuweir cemetery indicates that Bar-Adon was neither able 
to justify the presence of the one east-west tomb, #15, nor could he explain it away 
as a Bedouin burial. There is an interesting comment about the Bedouin: they "are 
expert in differentiating, according to the orientation of the tomb, between ancient 
graves and Bedouin burial sites of recent origin." Still Bar-Adon was not able to 
yield to that explanation, including the tomb in his report, referring to it as a 
"striking exception" and leaving its situation to be clarified.

Another important datum from the report is that the remains of twelve men and six 
women were found. The tombs were mainly of the same type as those at Qumran. Bar-
Adon noted the similarities one of which was the presence of female remains.

Another similarity which is quite intriguing is the fact that the bones from both 
el-Ghuweir and Qumran were stained with a pigment about which Bar-Adon cites Steckoll, 
who said that "the coloring on the skeletons was caused by the ingestion of a 
decoction containing alizarin, the pigment used for dye taken from the root of the 
madder plant." (If anyone knows what this is about I would be rather interested.)


Ian

Bar-Adon in BASOR 227 (1977) pp.1-25, especially p.12, & 16ff.





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