RE: Can't start Orion 1.5.1

2001-05-24 Thread Arno Grbac

Ciao Marcello :)
It appears that you still have the old JAXP1.0 XML processor in the
classpath.
Check program files (win32) or whatever on linux for /Jaxp1.0.1.
In particular, the old parser.jar and jaxp.jar. Once you take those
out of the classpath, orion should start fine.
If you're actually parsing XML in your web app, then take a look at
what has changed at: http://java.sun.com/xml/jaxp-1.1/readme.html
Hope this helps.
-arnox

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 5:20 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Can't start Orion 1.5.1


Hello,
I downloaded Orion 1.4.5 and it works fine out of the box.
Then I autoupdated it to 1.5.1 but it throws the following exception.
I tried both updating the configuration files (answering all 'y') and
not doing it (answering all 'n').
Also tried with Sun's SDK 1.2.2 and IBM's 1.3.0.
Any suggestion ?
Thanks for your attention.
Marcello

java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: org.xml.sax.Attributes: method
getQName(I)Ljava/lang/String; not found
at
org.apache.crimson.tree.AttributeSet.init(AttributeSet.java:139)
at
org.apache.crimson.tree.XmlDocumentBuilder.startElement(XmlDocumentBuilder.j
ava:463)
at org.apache.crimson.parser.Parser2.maybeElement(Parser2.java:1449)
at org.apache.crimson.parser.Parser2.parseInternal(Parser2.java:499)
at org.apache.crimson.parser.Parser2.parse(Parser2.java:304)
at
org.apache.crimson.parser.XMLReaderImpl.parse(XMLReaderImpl.java:433)
at
org.apache.crimson.jaxp.DocumentBuilderImpl.parse(DocumentBuilderImpl.java:1
79)
at com.evermind._ug.getJavaxDocument(Unknown Source)
at com.evermind.xml.XMLUtils.getDocument(Unknown Source)
at com.evermind.xml.XMLConfig._qh(Unknown Source)
at com.evermind.xml.XMLConfig._qh(Unknown Source)
at com.evermind._iy.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:498)
at com.evermind._ip.run(Unknown Source)








Rephrasing persistence question... HELP

2001-05-24 Thread Arno Grbac

Would anybody dare to guess (or knows!) what criteria is used by Orion
to determine what objects in a JSP page are saved when application shuts
down?

I have a few different objects in a JSP page. They all implement
Serializable,
but serialization is called only on one type.

Why would it not get called on all of them?

Consider these two objects both of which would implement Serializable:

SomeClass   A=new SomeClass ();
SomeOtherClassB=new SomeOtherClass();

When you restart/shutdown the app, JSP page will call serialization on
object
B, but not A.

Is it me, or is there a logical explanation for this?

Thanks,
-arnox

P.S. This used to work in version 1.4.5 (all would get saved), but works as
described in 1.5.1.





interesting singleton serialization issue (Java / JSP POSSIBLY ORION QUESTION)

2001-04-25 Thread Arno Grbac


ASSUMPTION: It appear that all objects in a JSP file get serialized.

Q1: Is there an equivalent of TRANSIENT in JSP, ..since transient doesn't
work?

Q2: Is there any other way to control serialization?

NOTE: I have the singleton class working nicely with a factory class. The
problem
is that I need a reference to the singleton in the JSP file, ..so it gets
serialized
twice (ONCE FROM BY THE FACTORY - ONCE BECAUSE IT'S IN JSP FILE, ..NOT SO
GOOD).

Current fix includes taking the implements Externalizable away from the
singleton,
but leaving the read/writeExternal functions in the class, so the factory
can call
them. The only problem is that JSP/Orion reports that the object is not
Serializable,
..but in reality the object gets serialized elsewhere (not a bug, just looks
wrong).

Any suggestions?

Thanks,
-arnox





Is there a solution to JAXP 1.1? ORION WON'T START!!!

2001-03-21 Thread Arno Grbac

I searched the list, and people have experienced this problem (like myself),
but no word from Orion. Ideas?

If you try to get Orion working with this latest release from Sun, Orion
won't
start:

G:\orionjava -jar orion.jar
java.lang.NoSuchMethodError
at
org.apache.crimson.tree.AttributeSet.init(AttributeSet.java:139)
at
org.apache.crimson.tree.XmlDocumentBuilder.startElement(XmlDocumentBuilder.j
ava:463)
at org.apache.crimson.parser.Parser2.maybeElement(Parser2.java:1449)
at org.apache.crimson.parser.Parser2.parseInternal(Parser2.java:499)
at org.apache.crimson.parser.Parser2.parse(Parser2.java:304)
at
org.apache.crimson.parser.XMLReaderImpl.parse(XMLReaderImpl.java:433)
at
org.apache.crimson.jaxp.DocumentBuilderImpl.parse(DocumentBuilderImpl.java:1
79)
at com.evermind.xml.e.getJavaxDocument(JAX)
at com.evermind.xml.XMLUtils.getDocument(JAX)
at com.evermind.xml.XMLConfig.ay(JAX)
at com.evermind.xml.XMLConfig.ay(JAX)
at com.evermind.server.g6.run(JAX)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
at com.evermind.util.f.run(JAX)


I don't think it's a hard thing to fix and it is a critical bug if you need
the latest stuff. Did anybody figure this out?

Regards,
-arnox





RE: Win2k Pro. is mess... choosing the right database product

2001-02-24 Thread Arno Grbac



It 
could be that Interbase is a very recent addition to the open source / freeware 
bunch. Also, prior to version 6, Interbase was
missing some essential data types, which made it a bit 
less approchable. My company is still evaluating Interbase, but so 
far
we 
haven't found any "issues" and are extremely pleased with the JDBC driver and 
the performance/features of this product.

There 
appears to be an issue setting different character sets for the JDBC driver in 
data-sources.xml, but that is probably true
for 
all JDBC drivers and setting their extended parameters (it could be a problem 
with Orion) and it's not a show stopper for us.

At 
some point in time, we were also evaluating mySQL, but (AT THE TIME) it had no 
transaction support, JDBC drivers were
in 
flux and no blobs.

Personally, I believe that InterBase 6 offers more 
features then mySQL. Another FREE option appears to come from 
SAP
(http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/) 
I know nothing about this product, but it comes with a type 4 
JDBC
driver 
and a bunch of tools. It would be nice to hear from somebody who know more about 
it.

-arno


  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randahl Fink 
  IsaksenSent: Friday, February 23, 2001 6:27 PMTo: 
  Orion-InterestSubject: RE: Win2k Pro. is mess... choosing the right 
  database product
  You 
  are probably right in your asumptions. Might I ask why you have chosen to go 
  for PostgreSQL? To me it seems a bit too uncertain to have two pieces of 
  experimental software in one project. Personally I was thinking of switching 
  to either MySQL or Interbase once my system goes on-line. I have used 
  Interbase quite a lot, just not with EJBs, and it is totally free and open 
  source nowadays. I have no experience with MySQL, but as far as I have read on 
  this list, quite many people are fond of it, and it seems that the use of 
  MySQL is a question of once needs for transactions (which MySQL does not 
  support).
  
  I am 
  wondering if anyone is using the prepackaged Hypersonic database in 
  production... It has not given me any trouble during this development 
  project... yet... - I would feel MUCH better about using a 10+ years old 
  well-tested database like Interbase, and I simply do not know why more people 
  are not using it.
  
  
  Any 
  comments anyone?
  
  
  Randahl
  
  
  
  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 23. februar 2001 18:39To: 
  Orion-InterestSubject: Re: Win2k Pro. is messing up the 
  DB
  
Hello Randahl,
First of all, I appreciate your 
idea.
Yes, we came to the near conclusion that it was 
not orion but it was postgresql.
To tell the truth, I believe in orionbut 
not very much so in postgresql.
As a matter of fact, we are using a CVS version 
of PostgreSQL because
the released version of postgresql does not yet 
support the right join sql statement.
To make matters worse, the Linux JDBC driver 
was not working properly on the timestamp
field before I made a modification on the 
driver. We were totally forgetting all about this.
Our Windows developershave had no 
problems with ODBC drivers so far, out of which
we can guess it is not the DB itself but it is 
the Linux JDBC driver.
What are your thoughts?
Once again, thank you very much.



Simon







  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Randahl Fink 
  Isaksen 
  To: Orion-Interest 
  Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 1:07 
  AM
  Subject: RE: Win2k Pro. is messing up 
  the DB
  
  I know this is a wild guess, but just to make 
  sure, I would of course do a disk scan on that machine to make sure it is 
  not a hardware problem - these things do happen, I am 
  afraid.
  
  Another good thing would be to run the 
  application on a _different_ Win2K Pro. machine to make sure it is not 
  just something which is specific to only her single 
  machine.
  
  BTW, I would doubt PostgreSQL more on Win2K than 
  I would doubt Orion. Orion is a java application, which gives it a pretty 
  good chance of running in the same way on different platforms. To the best 
  of my knowledge PostgreSQL on Win2K is a port of the code from another 
  platform, and from reading articles at PostgreSQL's web-site it seems it 
  is not totally stable on Win2K. I have seen at least two posts on this 
  list where people recommends *not* using PostgreSQL from Win NT based 
  systems - not yet, anyway.
  I have used Orion on Win2K with no problems - but 
  then again I do *not* use PostgreSQL
  
  Hope you find a solution
  
  Yours
  Randahl
  
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL 

RE: Win2k Pro. is mess... choosing the right database product

2001-02-24 Thread Arno Grbac
Title: 



Here is the newest version of my data 
source and database schema files. I posted this info once before,but there have been some minor changes, 
(thanks to Dirk Ohst), so this is the latest I've got.
If you find any problems or fix 
anything, let us know. Also, if you're having problems with InterBase/Client, 
makesure they're both setup and running correctly. I've had some 
difficulties getting the services to behave duringinstallation.
Good luck! Regards,-arno
Platform/versions:
Win2000, SPIOrion, 1.3.5InterClient 1.60 Final Build 
(InterClient server running as system service)DATA SOURCES
 
data-source 
 
class="com.evermind.sql.DriverManagerDataSource" 
 
source-location="interbase.interclient.DataSource" 
 
connection-driver="interbase.interclient.Driver" 
 
schema="database-schemas/InterBase.xml" 
 
name="InterBase" 
 
location="jdbc/InterBaseCoreDS" 
 
xa-location="jdbc/xa/InterBaseXADS" 
 
ejb-location="jdbc/InterBaseDS" 
 
username="sysdba" 
 
password="masterkey" 
 
url="jdbc:interbase://localhost/G:/orion/database/InterBase/yourDB.GDB" 
 
inactivity-timeout="30" 
/data-sourceSCHEMA: interbase.xmldatabase-schema 
name="InterBase" not-null="NOT NULL" null="NULL" primary-key="PRIMARY KEY" 
max-table-name-lenght="30"type-mapping type="java.lang.String" 
name="VARCHAR(255)" /type-mapping type="int" name="INTEGER" 
/type-mapping type="long" name="NUMERIC(20,0)" 
/type-mapping type="float" name="FLOAT" /type-mapping 
type="double" name="DOUBLE PRECISION" /type-mapping type="byte" 
name="NUMERIC(10,0)" /type-mapping type="char" name="CHAR(1)" 
/type-mapping type="short" name="SMALLINT" /type-mapping 
type="boolean" name="NUMERIC(1,0)" /type-mapping 
type="java.util.Date" name="DATE" /type-mapping 
type="java.util.Time" name="TIME" /type-mapping 
type="java.util.TimeStamp" name="TIMESTAMP" /type-mapping 
type="java.io.InputStrem" name="BLOB" /disallowed-field 
name="password" /disallowed-field name="date" 
//database-schemaMake sure you have these files in 
/orion/lib09/06/2000 
01:00p 
316,852 interclient-core.jar09/06/2000 
01:00p 
29,352 interclient-res.jar09/06/2000 
01:00p 
23,565 interclient-utils.jar09/06/2000 
01:00p 
369,153 interclient.jar04/27/2000 
01:47p 
162,349 RmiJdbc.jar-Original 
Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
Behalf Of Vimal PatelSent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:44 PMTo: 
Orion-InterestSubject: Re: Win2k Pro. is mess... choosing the right database 
productCan you tell me what data-source settings you have to get 
interbase working with orion and the driver version. I can not get it to work 
with orion. Also if you could mail the database-schemas for interbase I would 
really appreciate it.Thanks,Vimal- Original Message 
-From: Arno GrbacTo: Orion-InterestSent: Saturday, February 24, 
2001 1:08 PMSubject: RE: Win2k Pro. is mess... choosing the right database 
productIt could be that Interbase is a very recent addition to the 
open source / freeware bunch. Also, prior to version 6, Interbase wasmissing 
some essential data types, which made it a bit less approchable. My company is 
still evaluating Interbase, but so farwe haven't found any "issues" and are 
extremely pleased with the JDBC driver and the performance/features of this 
product.There appears to be an issue setting different character sets 
for the JDBC driver in data-sources.xml, but that is probably truefor all 
JDBC drivers and setting their extended parameters (it could be a problem with 
Orion) and it's not a show stopper for us.At some point in time, we were 
also evaluating mySQL, but (AT THE TIME) it had no transaction support, JDBC 
drivers werein flux and no blobs.Personally, I believe that 
InterBase 6 offers more features then mySQL. Another FREE option appears to come 
from SAP(http://www.sap.com/solutions/technology/sapdb/) I know nothing 
about this product, but it comes with a type 4 JDBCdriver and a bunch of 
tools. It would be nice to hear from somebody who know more about 
it.-arno-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On 
Behalf Of Randahl Fink IsaksenSent: Friday, February 23, 2001 6:27 PMTo: 
Orion-InterestSubject: RE: Win2k Pro. is mess... choosing the right database 
productYou are probably right in your asumptions. Might I ask why 
you have chosen to go for PostgreSQL? To me it seems a bit too uncertain to have 
two pieces of experimental software in one project. Personally I was thinking of 
switching to either MySQL or Interbase once my system goes on-line. I have used 
Interbase quite a lot, just not with EJBs, and it is totally free and open 
source nowadays. I have no experience with MySQL, but as far as I have read on 
this list, quite many people are fond of it, and it seems that the use of MySQL 
is a question of once needs for transactions (which MySQL does not 
support).I am wondering if anyone is using the prepackaged Hypersonic 
database in production... It has not given me any trouble during 

Orion and Interbase 6

2001-02-01 Thread Arno Grbac

Here it goes:

database-schema, FILE: interbase.xml

database-schema name="Interbase" not-null="not null" null="default null"
primary-key="primary key" max-table-name-lenght="30"
type-mapping type="java.lang.String" name="VARCHAR(255)" /
type-mapping type="int" name="INTEGER" /
type-mapping type="long" name="NUMERIC(20,0)" /
type-mapping type="float" name="FLOAT" /
type-mapping type="double" name="DOUBLE PRECISION" /
type-mapping type="byte" name="NUMERIC(10,0)" /
type-mapping type="char" name="CHAR(1)" /
type-mapping type="short" name="SMALLINT" /
type-mapping type="boolean" name="NUMERIC(1,0)" /
type-mapping type="java.util.Date" name="DATE" /
type-mapping type="java.util.Time" name="TIME" /
type-mapping type="java.util.TimeStamp" name="TIMESTAMP" /
type-mapping type="java.io.InputStrem" name="BLOB" /

disallowed-field name="password" /
disallowed-field name="date" /
/database-schema

Note: It appears to be working fine. If somebody finds any problems with it,
please let me know.

database-sources, FILE: data-sources.xml (Interbase entry)

data-source
class="com.evermind.sql.DriverManagerDataSource"
name="InterBase"
location="jdbc/InterBaseCoreDS"
xa-location="jdbc/xa/InterBaseXADS"
ejb-location="jdbc/InterBaseDS"
connection-driver="interbase.interclient.Driver"
username="sysdba"
password="masterkey"
url="jdbc:interbase://localhost/d:/database/yourDatabase.gdb"
inactivity-timeout="30"
/

More notes:
To locate the actual database, you will have to poke around a bit. You
should
be able to find it at www.borland.com/interbase, but there are nicer
distributions
out there (no need to fill out any questionnaires and get spammed by
Borland).
Unfortunately, I don't remember the links... (somebody may want to post
these).
A very helpful starting point is:
http://www.ibphoenix.com/ibp_contrib_download.html
just make sure you don't download any PRE-6.x stuff.
Make sure you copy the InterClient JARs to orion\lib (these are
interclient.jar,
interclient-core.jar, interclient-res.jar, interclient-utils.jar and I
believe
RmiJdbc.jar). After looking into other JDBC drivers and problems that people
were
experiencing, I stuck with Borland's JDBC driver. They work fine.
As a side note, you should be aware that Interbase uses triggers, so things
like
AutoNumbers need to be created (you can create you own types!). If you don't
want
to mess with that, you can use MS Access to design tables, and then use a
utility
like SQLtoGDB, to transfer the database schema. It is a bit rough, but it
can save
some time. Also, stick with UPPERCASE table and column names. IB6 can use
mixed
case, but then you'll have to enclose field names in quotes which severely
limits
your code portability and makes for some strange looking SQL strings.
Hope this gets you started.
-arno






-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stanislav
Maximov
Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 5:27 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: RE: orion and mysql?


If somebody using Interbase successfully, please send your database schema
and data-sources.xml part to this list. TIA

 -----Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Randahl
 Fink Isaksen
 Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 10:05 AM
 To: Orion-Interest
 Subject: RE: orion and mysql?


 Well then, is there a simple how-to for setting up Interbase with Orion? -
 Have you got a database schema which works?


 R.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Arno Grbac
 Sent: 30. januar 2001 19:08
 To: Orion-Interest
 Subject: RE: orion and mysql?


 This doesn't answer your question, but take a serious look at InterBase 6
 (IT IS FREE AND OPEN SOURCE!!!).
 mySQL doesn't have a good locking mechanism yet, ..as well as some missing
 data types (last time I checked).
 Good luck,
 -arno


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Marc Linke
 Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 11:21 AM
 To: Orion-Interest
 Subject: orion and mysql?


 Hi,

 is there any simple how-to for setting up mysql with
 orion available? Or can someone explain me how to do it?

 thanks















RE: Trouble installing

2001-01-19 Thread Arno Grbac

Hi Ivan,

It appears that you don't have tools.jar in the orion directory. So,
just copy tools.jar from you Java distribution into orion directory,
and you should be all set.

-arnox

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ivan Figueredo
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:51 PM
To: Orion-Interest
Subject: Trouble installing


Hello,

I downloaded orion1.3.8.zip.

I then did:

-
D:\orionjava -jar orion.jar -install
Enter an admin password to use: **
Confirm admin password: **
Installation done

D:\orionjava -jar orion.jar
Orion/1.3.8 initialized
--

When I browse to 127.0.0.1, I get the "Orion Application Server 1.3.8 - Up
and running" page. But when I try to run some of the examples inside the JSP
examples, I nothing happens and I get errors.

Sorry if this has been asked before...

Regards,


Ivan







RE: Win 2000 problems with http server

2001-01-04 Thread Arno Grbac



Are 
you running some kind of application level firewall? For example, running zone 
alarm pro
will 
do just that. I'm running the same setup and all is fine. The server never goes 
down, ..well,
it's 
been up for weeks now.
Hope 
this helps.
-arno

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of 
  hanasakiSent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 2:30 PMTo: 
  Orion-InterestSubject: Win 2000 problems with http 
  serverI have two computers that are both experiencing the 
  same problem. They are both running Win 2000 Professional with jdk 
  1.3.0-c 
  Orion starts fine and seems to run ok with/without the console. The 
  Orion gui tools seem to run ok. 
  THE PROBLEM: connecting to the orion http server on port 80 causes the 
  systems to crash and reboot. 
  - tried "-classic" - tried orion 1.3.8 and 1.4 
  C:\java -version java version "1.3.0" 
  Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.3.0-C) 
  Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.3.0-C, mixed mode) 
  C:\   


RE: SSL and Orion (urgent)

2000-05-29 Thread Arno Grbac

RSA algorithm is under patent protection in US (until September 20, 2000,
..I believe).
That's why Sun cannot ship it with Java. You should be able to download RSA
encryption software at: www.cryptix.org (Cryptix 3). That should solve your
problem.
Follow instructions..


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Porfiriev
Sergey
Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 10:19 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: Orion-Interest
Subject: SSL and Orion (urgent)


I have troubles installing SSL under Orion

I've followed Orions instructions:

On the first step i've got following error:

D:\Orion\docs\sslkeytool -genkey -keyalg "RSA" -keystore
keystore -storepass 123456 -validity 360
keytool error: KeyPairGenerator not available

i've installed jce 1.2.1 but it still not working :(

How i can solve this? (make SSL work)

Best regards,
 Porfirievmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]








RE: Orion-Interest

2000-05-19 Thread Arno Grbac

I got the same results using the Apache JMeter (http://java.apache.org)
-arno

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Karl Avedal
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 7:43 AM
To: Orion-Interest
Cc: Orion-Interest
Subject: Re: Orion-Interest


Hello Roy,

We observed exactly the same thing on our own tests using the same
stress-testing tool, we will find out what the reason is immediately.

Regards,
Karl Avedal

"Lou, Roy" wrote:

 We are having problems getting Orion to free memory. All we are using is
the
 servlet subset of J2EE.  Is there something we have to do to get Orion to
 free memory   I thought the VM's garbage collector ran no matter what.

 We got a

 java.lang.OutOfMemoryError
 at java.lang.Thread.start(Native Method)
 at com.evermind.util.ThreadPool.a4(JAX, Compiled Code)
 at com.evermind.util.ThreadPool.launch(JAX, Compiled Code)
 at com.evermind.server.http.ds.rb(JAX, Compiled Code)
 at com.evermind.server.http.ds.run(JAX, Compiled Code)

 when performing a stress test on a simple JSP.  It creates a parameter in
 the session object and then includes another HTML page.

 The JSP was (modified to no longer use a gif for the background)

 [[HelloWorld.JSP]]

 %@ page info=" a hello world example" %
 html
 headtitleHello, World/title/head
 body bgcolor="#ff" 

 %@ include file="dukebanner.htm" %
 %
   session.putValue("test",
 "12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890");
   System.out.println("add parameter to session object");
 %
 table
 tr
 td width="150"  nbsp; /td
 td width="250" align=right h1Hello, World!/h1 /td
 /tr
 /table

 /body
 /html

 [[end of HelloWorld.JSP]]

 The included file (modified to no longer include a gif) is

 [[DukeBanner.htm]]

 table border="0" width="400" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"
 tr
 td height="150" width="150" nbsp; /td
 td width="250"  nbsp; /td
 /tr

 tr
 td width="150" width="150" nbsp; /td
 td align="right" width="250"  h1Duke Replacement for easier
 debugging/h1 /td
 /tr
 /table
 br

 [[ end of DukeBanner.htm]]

 The stress testing tool is located at (click on downloads to get to it)

 [[MSWAST URL]]

 http://webtool.rte.microsoft.com/

 TIA

 Roy Lou