Re: Oracle deal
I knew all along that this would happen, I just wasn't sure which one of the big companies it would be. As far as I was concerned (and I definitely am wrong sometimes) the guys at Orion thought: Hey we've got a good product, everyone who lives on the J2EE planet knows that already. Have a deal with one of the big guys and sell them this wonderful technology that has been tested thoroughly for free by those very enthusiastic Java geeks! Now this is the scary part: Make Orion unusable by providing partial implementations for the new stuff in J2EE while providing little or no support. And since everyone knows Orion has been packaged under another brand name by some big guy with plenty of resources, they can go to him! That way, we at Ironflare are making money, the big guy is making money and everyone is using Orion! Well, it probably didn't happen like that, but what gave me concern the most was the fact that the guys at Orion suddenly became unreachable at a time and then later came out with a story that they had to reorganise and create a real company - Ironflare. I guess this company was created for the sole purpose of dealing with those big guys who, as it turned out, were interested in licensing or purchasing Orion. Well, that said, I bear Ironflare no grudge, on the contrary, I'm proud of them and think very highly of them! They're free to do whatever they choose to do and that includes making money and having strange or capitalistic bed fellows like Or(ion)acle. However, I can't help but wonder which version Oracle got - 1.4.5, 1.5.2 or 2.0! Paul PS I must add that I'm happy because one of our clients had insisted on using Oracle 9iAS. The project is meant to commence in July. I and the guys at my company had our fears since we knew Oracle wasn't the best J2EE platform. But now they've got Orion. From: Reid Hartenbower [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Oracle deal Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2001 11:36:23 -0700 This is my fear as well, and why I am surprised by the generally favorable reactions to this deal. What will it mean for Orion, and specifically the licensing. Will everything still be free, or will Oracle turn Orion into another WebLogic? It feels a little like Microsoft just absorbed my favorite development environment. - Original Message - From: Keith Kwiatek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 11:15 AM Subject: Re: Oracle deal I hope this orion + oracle deal is the same as the borland jbuilder + oracle jdeveloper deal. Oracle licensed Jbuilder technology, but Borland was still free to take Jbuilder in any direction they wanted, AND oracle was free to take Jdeveloper in any direction they wanted. The end result is that Jdeveloper is way behind the curve because Oracle always buys technology for which they do not have the ability to maintain. MEANWHILE, Jbuilder is doing great and getting better and better I guess the question is Just what kinda deal did Ironflare work out with Oracle? Did Ironflare get wrapped into a straight-jacket for a few short term buck$ ? Keith - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: Re: Oracle deal What I am interested in is what are the future implications for Orion? We are about to purchase a license for Orion, but if development on Orion isn't going to be the main focus, where does that leave customers? Julian Doherty Information Systems Analyst Education Review Office Phillip Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc: owner-orion-interest@orionSubject: Re: Oracle deal server.com 06/07/01 08:07 AM Please respond to Orion-Interest I've been told Oracle's oc4j is orion 1.5.0. And I've also been told that it's confidental as to how/when/if ironflare will continue to push newer builds of orion to Oracle or what. - Phillip --- Bryan Young [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just read about Orion being used as the base code for their 9i app server. Does anyone know the specifics of the deal? Specifically I wanted to know what version of Orion they are using, and if there would be any benefit to future versions of Orion. __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: NT Security Integration?
HI Ray, Please could you say more about authentication with Active Directory (Windows 2000). I need some hints 'cause I would like to implement that sort of thing. Regards, Paul From: Ray Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: NT Security Integration? Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 11:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Not NT per se - but I use JNDI/LDAP (or active directory) on Windows 2000 Server as my authentication system. No problems at all. Basically I've got a JNDI ldap utils class which is pretty stright forward - then a simple user manager that sits on that - plugged it into orion-application.xml and it works just fine. --- Gordon Reynolds (Cyonara) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, but I hope someone has. I can tell you this much, it'll require 2 things: first writing native code to access the NT authentication system (I've seen an article on this sometime in the last year in one of my many Java magazines), then writing your own UserManager to access the native code. Regards, Gordon. - Original Message - From: Joe Fair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 10:17 AM Subject: NT Security Integration? Has anyone has integrated Orion user security with NT login security? It sounds like the sort of thing that is either really easy or really tough. Any leads? Thanks, Joe __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
How to update Orion behind a firewall
Hi, I've been trying to update my copy of Orion from 1.4.5 to 1.5.1 without any luck. Problem is that I'm behind a firewall (Microsoft Proxy Server 2.0) that requires authentication so I guess I somehow need to include my username and password as part of the autoupdate command line. Is this possible? Has anyone done this before. Thanks. Paul _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: freetds.org
Hi, The database driver for MSSQL from freetds.org is, according to the documention, work in progress more or less. I had been looking for a cheap/free driver for MSSQL. When I found it, I thought my search was over. But I wrong, since I just couldn't use it. I kept getting SQLExceptions (which were to be expected according to the documentation because most things are not implemented yet). Finally, I had to stop using it. Currently, I use two drivers and they both work flawlessly for my apps: one from http://www.inetsoftware.de and the other from http://www.j-netdirect.com. Though they cost money. Regards, Paul From: Johan Fredriksson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: freetds.org Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 17:36:15 +0200 Has anyone got their driver to work with ms sql server 7? I just get an error message all the time : java.sql.SQLException: The database driver (com.internetcds.jdbc.tds.Driver@ff3a fe9f) returned refusing to connect to the URL jdbc:freetds:sqlserver://192.168.1 .123/ at com.evermind.sql.DriverManagerDataSource.getConnection(Unknown Source ) Does anyone know what I'm doing wrong? I'll include my datasource.xml also...: data-source class=com.evermind.sql.DriverManagerDataSource name=MyDataSource location=jdbc/BB xa-location=jdbc/xa/BBXADS ejb-location=jdbc/MyDataSource connection-driver=com.internetcds.jdbc.tds.Driver pooled-location=jdbc/MyPooledDS username=my password=password url=jdbc:freetds:sqlserver://192.168.1.123/ max-connect-attempts=3 max-connections=1 connection-retry-interval=1 inactivity-timeout=30 / thanks in advance. Johan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: A Swedish Idea
Hi, I agree with Frank but the truth is that Orion is the "best" J2EE server in terms of pricing and performance; that's why we're all here trying to chart it's future. If it was easy to find an alternative (one with all of Orion's advantages) many of us would have gotten off this mailing list. Paul From: "Frank LaRosa" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 00:52:23 -0500 What's the difference? We choose to write J2EE applications because J2EE is a community standard rather than a proprietary API. If Orion goes under, all it takes is a few new config files to deploy your app on another server. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Orion-Interest" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:17 PM Subject: Re: A Swedish Idea God forbids, what if one of them got into car accident, would there still be Orion. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: orion server version 1.4.7
Hi, You're right, 1.4.7 isn't available at www.orionserver.com. However, you can get the upgrade by running the following command from the directory in which you installed Orion: java -jar autoupdate.jar That's it! Regards, Paul From: Vlad Stinsov [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: orion server version 1.4.7 Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 09:21:24 +0300 Hi! Help me pls. On site www.orionserver.com I find server version 1.4.5, but in mailing list we talk about server version 1.4.7. When I can find it. Vlad Stinsov. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Opening a secured form in a new browser window
Hi, I've got a page that displays a form for authentication via a servlet. After the process of authentication, the request gets forwarded to a data entry form. This data entry form is a JSP page that checks out to make sure it's the administrator accessing it. It works fine but I'd like it to be displayed in a new window instead of the same one. How can I do this. Thanks. Paul _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Displaying image files stored in a database
Hi, I'm developing an web-based Employee Directory for my company. I've got it working all right. My problem is that I'd like to store the image files in a database (presently I'm using Hypersonic) and be able to display them as needed for each employee. However, I haven't been able to that. I worked aroud this problem by storing the images in the file system and entering a path to the required image file as a VARCHAR in the database. Eventhough it solved my problem, it is undesireable because I'd have to manually delete each image file that's no longer required instead of simply deleting a row in the database. I successfully stored each file as a Java object (in this case "File") but I just couldn't think of a way to display it on a web page. I'm sure this is a piece of cake for most of you out there but I just can't figure it out. Any he.lp would do. Thanks. Regards, Paul _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Displaying image files stored in a database
Hi, I'm developing an web-based Employee Directory for my company using Servlets and JSPs. I've got it working all right. My problem is that I'd like to store the image files in a database (presently I'm using Hypersonic) and be able to display them as needed for each employee. However, I haven't been able to that. I worked aroud this problem by storing the images in the file system and entering a path to the required image file as a VARCHAR in the database. Eventhough it solved my problem, it is undesireable because I'd have to manually delete each image file that's no longer required instead of simply deleting a row in the database. I successfully stored each file as a Java object (in this case "File") but I just couldn't think of a way to display it on a web page. I'm sure this is a piece of cake for most of you out there but I just can't figure it out. Any he.lp would do. Thanks. Regards, Paul _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: to boldly go where no man has gone before (long)
Simply great Hitesh! I hope that settles it. Now let's get on with the business (JSPs, Servlets, EJBs etc.) at hand. Paul From: Hitesh Jasani [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: to boldly go where no man has gone before (long) Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 01:51:13 -0500 See comments below Hani Suleiman wrote: Well flameproofsuit My native language isn't English either, but this IS an English mailing list, isn't it? I think it's reasonable that if someone requests help, they should at least be able to express their problem coherently. They're Yes, absolutely. They should be able to clearly articulate their issues, details on their hardware setup, versions of all relevent software (OS, system software, user programs) running on their system (including patch levels, etc.). If they haven't detailed all of this in their request, then they are wasting my time since I will have to then query them for this information piecemeal. very unlikely to get help if nobody can understand the problem to start with! Mind you, the ejb-interest list really gets some.'interestingly In addition, they should be up to date on all of the relevant specifications related to Java2, EJB 1.1 2.0, Servlets, Security, Http, XML, etc. If they don't have the time to read through these specs and be literate, then I don't have time to answer any of their questions. worded' posts and it really does lower the overall quality, IMHO (or at least, it's quite an annoyance). Thankfully enough vendors pipe in to I wholeheartedly agree we should take them out back and flog them publicly. [Flip sarcasm switch to off] Okay, while I was being sarcastic up above, there is some truth to the fact that when people describe problems on this list it helps if they are literate in English, explain their hardware/software set up and have some knowledge about the area (EJB, servlets, jsp, etc.) they're having problems. It seems to me that you've arbitrarily chosen to set the barrier to entry at the level of English literacy. Ie. if they're not fluent in English they are an annoyance to you and you don't want to waste your time in answering their questions. Well, what about those who would say that your bar is set too low? Some people would say that answering a question is not worthwhile unless you've already read the specifications/manuals/sample code/documents multiple times. Setting a bar that high would make this list more efficient ... but not a place that I would want to frequent. We're not perfect. By the grace of God, I and the Internet happened to grow up with English as our primary language. But while I struggle to learn a new language, the Internet is soaking up tons of new languages every day. I can already see the writing on the wall as search engine queries routinely turn up pages in languages other than English. It won't be long before I may have to be subscribed to a non-English resource and I'll then have to struggle to translate my questions into a language foreign to me. When that day comes, I hope there are people on the list who are more understanding than yourself. The point of this list is that people are able to ask questions and provide responses. If you don't want to answer any questions, simply ignore those messages. But don't look down at those who aren't as fluent in English as yourself . unless you yourself wish to be judged. People on this list have varying levels of fluency in English, Java, EJB, http, etc. I applaud everyone who is trying to better themselves by expanding their horizons in any and all of these areas. Life is simple: Lead and help others, follow and learn or just get out of the way. Hitesh [snip] _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Class-Cast-Exception Error
Hi, I have a Web application with forms. A servlet updates a database on behalf of a JSP. It worked okay until today when some one in my company tried to fill and submit one of the forms. He got a class-cast Exception. I was amazed because that had never happened. I tried it myself and got the same error. I was certain that my application was okay since it had run a couple of other times without errors. I stopped Orion and restarted it and the error disappeared! Strange I must say. Is this a known problem with Orion? Regards, Paul _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Anyone using Orion in production?
Hi, I'd like to know, is anyone currently using Orion in a production environment? The rather high number of issues people report here bothers me because I'd like to get serious with a particular EJB server and my opinion was that Orion was the right choice because of it's low cost and features. In addition, I'd like to know if Orion's HTTP server is suitable for production work, I really would like to have a unified environment instead of having a separate web server for my JSPs and servlets. Regards, Paul _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
