All,
Running a training program for EJB's gives me a different perspective when dealing
with EJB application vendors like Orion. My experience is that they (expensive
vendors like BEA ) offer institutions like mine free licences and trainers in the
hopes that newly educated programmers would evangelize their products. I have
repeatedly asked for assistance in training engineers in EJB's using the Orion
product. They have refused to answer. All we ask is that they provide us with a
single license so that we may set up an interactive training site for distance
education for a "Java and the Internet Course".
If they truly wish to educate java-programers in Orion, you'd think they'd jump at
this. We charge no money for training, and we benefit the independant learner in the
ways of programming EJB's with Orion.
This course is open to all, but Orion's lack of response means none of us can gain
from it.
If you would like to learn more about the mystery of EJB'S, LET ORION KNOW. We need
your help.
Mike Van
C.E.O. JUGerNaut
Original Message ---
From: Kemp Randy-W18971 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Orion-Interest [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
I don't knock the higher priced products, and they do have the lion's share of the
market, and many large companies run big applications on them. Personally, I feel as
many low price (Orion) and open source (jboss, etc.) mature, more people will ride
that path. Look at the history of Apache, and now 60 % of the world's servers run
it. Developers see that the low priced and open source options are maturing and
proving themselves. It's just a matter of time.
-Original Message-
From: Konstantin Polyzois
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 2/13/01 6:56 AM
Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
"Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great..."
Speaking as someone who has done development using Websphere (3.0
3.02):
It sucks! Don't use it for anything but JSP or servlets. It has so many
flaws that I don't even want to get in to them!!
/korre
-Original Message-
From: Kemp Randy-W18971
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 2001-02-12 13:58
Subject: RE: Any news from Orion yet??
Weblogic (and the high priced products like Websphere) are great, if you
want to pay the price. They come with nice tools like front end gui's,
good documentation, paid support, etc. But if you look for the opinions
of developers who have used these products, and compared them to Orion,
jboss, etc., they would say the EJB capacies are no better then the
other high priced products. In order of ranking, here's how I look at
the other products.
1 Orion -- This product is ready now, but I haven't seen anyone from
this list run a Sears store on it.
2. Jboss (www.jboss.org) -- The founders are very bright, have five
hundred developers on the projects, have EJB heavies contributing to the
list, and it's a very easy to use product. Personally, even though it
is ready for production now, I would wait for it to mature a bit more.
It's like a fine wine -- drink it now, and it is OK, or allow it to age
a bit then drink it (like jboss 3.0 final).
3. Openejb (www.openejb.org) - this project has a very bright and well
known person heading it, and it is slated to be intergrated with Tomcat
and Apache. It has yet to prove itself, as it is not yet ready for
production release. But it has good future promise.
4. Jonas (www.evidian.com/jonas) - This is a good product, but it is not
as advanced as the other two open source products and I don't think they
have as many people behind them.
5. Enhydra enterprise (www.enhydra.org). If you like the enhydra
application server, this product has potential. But it is not
production ready yet and it intergrates with the jonas server.
In summary, Orion is here now but can it run Sears? Jboss is ready
but I would let it mature a bit more for production environments.
Openejb and Enhydra have great potential, but they are not ready yet and
have to prove themselves. Jonas is OK but I prefer the other open
source alternatives.
-Original Message-
From: Anthony W. Marino
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 2/11/01 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: Any news from Orion yet??
On another note, can you and/or someone, qualify/quantify what you mean
by
the following previously made statement :
"For the most part, Orion is still very much ahead of the pack, and the
speed is stil EXCELLENT."
?
In the Apache Tomcat list I asked the following question:
"Can someone suggest to me what Apache and/or other OpenSource products
could
be integrated to compete with functionally and/or considered in the same
category as BEA WebLogic?
I don't necessarily need all of what BEA has to offer at this time,
however,
I would like to know, generally, what it would take to get there without
the
big $ price tag."
Thank You,
Anthony
On Monday 15 January 2001 15:20, you wrote:
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Jason Boehle wrote:
WL6 has
