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I agree with all the points you mentioned. That is why I am here, we want to move away form IIS as well. Stefan
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I appreciate the support, I realise that Orion is not charging huge CASH$ and as such is more limited as to the support they can provide. But, I think that providing details on application deployment to make it easy for people would go a long way to getting the server on the map and making the Orion people a few bucks. Microsoft is huge commercial success for making their products easy to use for the most part. I am not a fan and I have many beef's with their many times buggy products but none the less, they are easy to install and run with and that makes them the number one money maker. I hope my point is well taken, Stefan
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Funny guy! Where do you map the IP to an application? I am having confusion in that in IIS/ASP the web site is the web application. In J2EE I think there is potentially a difference? Or am I wrong with this too? Stefan
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I'm at a company where we are currently using IIS (hopefully for not much longer!) and although it is initially easier to setup a *single* server with a number of virtual directories it is a real pain if you have a decently large server farm that you are going to have to replicate this configuration to. There aren't any *good* tools out there for replicating the IIS Metabase from machine to machine and when you have about 15 web sites per server and they all have 5 or so virtual directories, setting up a new web server is a real pain. And don't get me started on how many times the metabase has gotten corrupted and caused us to just start over. I'll take text-file based configuration any day as its very simple to just zip up the configuration files and drop them onto another machine in the cluster, make a few minor changes here and there and you're done. Yes, there is a little more initial overhead but in the long run it will save me a lot of time. It all comes down to the complexity of the deployment you have to worry about but in my opinion and experience IIS is just not built to handle complex web-sites very well. Sure, it may be able to, but it doesn't make it easy. -Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 6:25 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Deploy question... That aint no stupid question, Orion application deployment has been very difficult for me. It's not like IIS where you create your virtual directory and drop in your files accordingly, map it to an ip and it works! S
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Nick: Don't feel stupid here. The biggest issue I have with Orion is the terrible documentation. Granted, we can play with it (like I and others did), but newcomers need to be encouraged to use it, and get up to speed. I have seen the new Jboss manual from their site (www.jboss.org) and it is looking very good. The open source databases, mysql (www.mysql.com) has excellent documentation, and postgresql (www.postgresql.org) has pretty good documentation. Orion, are you listening? Anyway, look at the examples at www.jollem.com, the support site at www.orionsupport.com and their own documentation and faq at www.orionserver.com. Randy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 8:25 AM To: Orion-Interest Subject: Re: Deploy question... That aint no stupid question, Orion application deployment has been very difficult for me. It's not like IIS where you create your virtual directory and drop in your files accordingly, map it to an ip and it works! S
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Of course, IIS is also using fundamentally different technology with fundamentally different approach. For me, application deployment is absurdly simple: I drop in a file, create a mapping to the application, then point a url to the application, and it works. Oh, wait, that's pretty much what you said, too. On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > That aint no stupid question, Orion application deployment has been very > difficult for me. It's not like IIS where you create your virtual directory > and drop in your files accordingly, map it to an ip and it works! > > S > > --- Joseph B. Ottinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://epesh.com/ IT Consultant
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That aint no stupid question, Orion application deployment has been very difficult for me. It's not like IIS where you create your virtual directory and drop in your files accordingly, map it to an ip and it works! S
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I doubt I'm doing the deploy stuff correctly and professional way, but it works perfectly... Answer to B: unzip downloaded file from orionserver.com ( latest stable). Copy tools.jar to orion directory. Enter config directory, edit data-sources.xml to use your database, make sure to copy driver files for that database ( if Sybase, jconn2.jar ) to orion/lib. Open global-web-application.xml and change the first xml-tag to : open server.xml and add open default-web-site.xml and add create directorystructure orion/applications/myApp orion/applications/myApp/myApp-web orion/applications/myApp/myApp-web/WEB-INF orion/applications/myApp/META-INF in web-inf dir, put web.xml, create classes, and put your classes there directory style classes/com/myAppClasses/beans jsp files goes in myApp-web beans in MyApp directory. application.xml goes in myApp/META-INF dir. run java -jar orion.jar in orion dir Touch web.xml to reload classes, runtime. I guess your question (A) was answered above too... =) Johan - Original Message - From: "Tim Yates" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Orion-Interest" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: Deploy question... > Hi there, firstly, this is a test message to check I am on the list (and > using it correctly), and secondly, I have a (maybe stupid) question... > > We are presently using jBoss as our app server, but after looking at the > Orion spec, I am quite interested about Orion, due to its clustering > support. > > However, as there is a team of us developing, we keep our JSP and EJB > deployment separate... > > I will explain: > > Our JSP's are located in a directory with a WEB-INF/classes directory > containing all of our JavaBeans that we use > > The EJB jar containing all of our EJB's are placed into the jBoss deploy > directory. > > This allows us to have multiple users deploying different areas of the > project rather than one person building WARs and combining them into EARs. > > Now my question is: > > Is it possible to deploy things this way under Orion? If so, can anyone > point me to a web reference or in the right direction that will show me how > to do it? I have looked at the online documentation, and the mailing list > archive, and I am a bit lost as to where I would have to A) Deploy all my > files, and B) Configure the application... > > Sorry if this is a stupid question, > > Hope someone can help, > > Cheers, > > Tim Yates > > >
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Title: SV: Deploy question... Yes, you can deploy your applications without packaging them. The file structure would be just as if it were an packaged application. Normaly, you would put the folder structure under .../orion/applications/ Check the docs for more info. This list also contains numerous answers to this question. WR > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: Tim Yates [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Skickat: den 15 februari 2001 01:33 > Till: Orion-Interest > Ämne: Deploy question... > > > Hi there, firstly, this is a test message to check I am on > the list (and > using it correctly), and secondly, I have a (maybe stupid) question... > > We are presently using jBoss as our app server, but after > looking at the > Orion spec, I am quite interested about Orion, due to its clustering > support. > > However, as there is a team of us developing, we keep our JSP and EJB > deployment separate... > > I will explain: > > Our JSP's are located in a directory with a WEB-INF/classes > directory > containing all of our JavaBeans that we use > > The EJB jar containing all of our EJB's are placed into the > jBoss deploy > directory. > > This allows us to have multiple users deploying different > areas of the > project rather than one person building WARs and combining > them into EARs. > > Now my question is: > > Is it possible to deploy things this way under Orion? If > so, can anyone > point me to a web reference or in the right direction that > will show me how > to do it? I have looked at the online documentation, and the > mailing list > archive, and I am a bit lost as to where I would have to A) > Deploy all my > files, and B) Configure the application... > > Sorry if this is a stupid question, > > Hope someone can help, > > Cheers, > > Tim Yates > > > >
Deploy question...
Hi there, firstly, this is a test message to check I am on the list (and using it correctly), and secondly, I have a (maybe stupid) question... We are presently using jBoss as our app server, but after looking at the Orion spec, I am quite interested about Orion, due to its clustering support. However, as there is a team of us developing, we keep our JSP and EJB deployment separate... I will explain: Our JSP's are located in a directory with a WEB-INF/classes directory containing all of our JavaBeans that we use The EJB jar containing all of our EJB's are placed into the jBoss deploy directory. This allows us to have multiple users deploying different areas of the project rather than one person building WARs and combining them into EARs. Now my question is: Is it possible to deploy things this way under Orion? If so, can anyone point me to a web reference or in the right direction that will show me how to do it? I have looked at the online documentation, and the mailing list archive, and I am a bit lost as to where I would have to A) Deploy all my files, and B) Configure the application... Sorry if this is a stupid question, Hope someone can help, Cheers, Tim Yates
