Re: Source available and sun

2001-02-24 Thread Robert Krueger


we've had this dicussion many times before. they (Orion team) have decided 
to keep it closed-source and it simply is their decision (apart from the 
legal stuff with sun, which I personally never bought as the primary reason 
not to make the source available without an NDA). the arguments (debugging 
parallelizes well etc. etc.) that have been brought up are valid and I'm 
sure they know the trade-offs very well but at the end of the day it's 
their baby. I'm not saying I'm happy with their decision but I do respect it.

regards,

robert

At 08:21 24.02.2001 , you wrote:
I must admit -- I am still confused about the Sun
agreement preventing a J2EE server from sharing the
source code.  I get the feeling that Orion would be
open to this, if the terms with Sun would allow it.  I
found out recently that Resin (www.caucho.com), which
has made the highly successful JSP engine, is building
an EJB server, which will have the source code
available.  Of course, the open source EJB servers,
like openejb, Jboss, and jonas, have the source code
available. So why would this be good for Orion or
anyone, when Orion has such brainy people building
their product?  If you don't think they are brainy,
the download the Sun spec for EJB and try building it
yourself.  The answer lies in numbers.  If there are
10 people, for example, building and supporting Orion,
and 2000 + brainy people on this list, what has the
greater potential for solving problems the quickest?
Ten people or two thousand people?

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RE: Source available and sun

2001-02-24 Thread Kemp Randy-W18971

 I also respect it, and agree it's their decision.  But the recent developments with 
Resin have prompted me to raise the question. End of subject, unless someone else 
raises the issue.

-Original Message-
From: Robert Krueger
To: Orion-Interest
Sent: 2/24/01 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Source available and sun


we've had this dicussion many times before. they (Orion team) have
decided 
to keep it closed-source and it simply is their decision (apart from the

legal stuff with sun, which I personally never bought as the primary
reason 
not to make the source available without an NDA). the arguments
(debugging 
parallelizes well etc. etc.) that have been brought up are valid and I'm

sure they know the trade-offs very well but at the end of the day it's 
their baby. I'm not saying I'm happy with their decision but I do
respect it.

regards,

robert

At 08:21 24.02.2001 , you wrote:
I must admit -- I am still confused about the Sun
agreement preventing a J2EE server from sharing the
source code.  I get the feeling that Orion would be
open to this, if the terms with Sun would allow it.  I
found out recently that Resin (www.caucho.com), which
has made the highly successful JSP engine, is building
an EJB server, which will have the source code
available.  Of course, the open source EJB servers,
like openejb, Jboss, and jonas, have the source code
available. So why would this be good for Orion or
anyone, when Orion has such brainy people building
their product?  If you don't think they are brainy,
the download the Sun spec for EJB and try building it
yourself.  The answer lies in numbers.  If there are
10 people, for example, building and supporting Orion,
and 2000 + brainy people on this list, what has the
greater potential for solving problems the quickest?
Ten people or two thousand people?

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