Re: [os-libsynthesis] sending photo to Nokia phone (N97 mini): wrong CTCap

2010-08-30 Thread Patrick Ohly
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 23:00 +0100, Lukas Zeller wrote:
 it's a known bug in many Nokia phones that they have a maxSize of 255
 on all fields, including the PHOTO. 
 
 And yes, there is a remoterule option called ignoredevinfmaxsize for
 that. It applies to all fields, however I agree that those constant
 255 maxsizes are probably meaningless anyway.

Ah, excellent. I was sure there would be something, and I wasn't
disappointed ;-)

Speaking of CtCap, do you happen to know what Nokia's involvement was in
the definition of that part of the spec? Or speaking more generally,
what was the desired usage of CtCap?

I've just been in another discussion around that, where the Synthesis
use of CtCap to determine unsupported properties was questioned.

One interpretation of CtCap is limitations for some properties. In
that interpretation, unlisted properties might still be supported.

The other interpretation is that CtCap has to be complete and accurate,
and thus anything not covered by it (value too long, unknown property)
is not stored by the device. This is the interpretation used by
Synthesis. FWIW, it sounds more plausible to me.

But is there anything in the standard which supports one or the other
interpretation? Or perhaps it was part of meeting minutes?

-- 
Best Regards, Patrick Ohly

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Re: [os-libsynthesis] sending photo to Nokia phone (N97 mini): wrong CTCap

2010-08-30 Thread Lukas Zeller
Hi Patrick,

On Aug 30, 2010, at 10:43 , Patrick Ohly wrote:

 Speaking of CtCap, do you happen to know what Nokia's involvement was in
 the definition of that part of the spec? Or speaking more generally,
 what was the desired usage of CtCap?
 
 I've just been in another discussion around that, where the Synthesis
 use of CtCap to determine unsupported properties was questioned.
 
 One interpretation of CtCap is limitations for some properties. In
 that interpretation, unlisted properties might still be supported.
 
 The other interpretation is that CtCap has to be complete and accurate,
 and thus anything not covered by it (value too long, unknown property)
 is not stored by the device. This is the interpretation used by
 Synthesis. FWIW, it sounds more plausible to me.

The real world devices that most prominently and strictly supported our 
interpretation were Nokia's.

We had a lot of trouble of getting all data out of them without entirely 
omitting CTCap in the beginning, until we found that not only all properties 
needed to be listed (that was the case already in very early versions of our 
server), but also the complete list of possible property parameters. For 
example, a Nokia phone would not send any telephone number unless the CTCap had 
not only TEL but also the possible property parameters WORK, HOME, 
CELL...

And because their clients were for a long time pretty much the only ones 
looking at CTCap at all apart from ours, I'd at least say that this 
interpretation is a de facto standard.

But I have no insight into the involvement of Nokia in that part of the specs.

 But is there anything in the standard which supports one or the other
 interpretation?

If there is, I am not aware of it.

 Or perhaps it was part of meeting minutes?

Maybe, I don't know.

Lukas Zeller (l...@synthesis.ch)
- 
Synthesis AG, SyncML Solutions   Sustainable Software Concepts
i...@synthesis.ch, http://www.synthesis.ch





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