[osdcmy-public] Bridging the Gap Between Education and the Workplace with the Open Source Education Council (OEC)
Team Its take some time for Yun and Fazli with the help from other friends (Thanks) in the industry to get this idea moving. We want its to be the starting point for the community to establish a good relationship with education sector and industry through council... Its a start, we need more feedback. Bridging the Gap Between Education and the Workplace with the Open Source Education Council (OEC) Objective Establish the importance and need for IT graduates and professionals to enhance their skill sets in open source, cloud computing and virtualisation to move towards a high-income economy. Identify value added benefits to IT graduates and professionals as well as trends amongst IT employers. Identify available certification programmes which provide local graduates with opportunities to expand their skill sets and talents worldwide. -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Bridging the Gap Between Education and the Workplace with the Open Source Education Council (OEC)
I will have some vacation time coming up. Training...hmmm...right up my alley. Haris should know.:-P How can I help? Eric On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Team Its take some time for Yun and Fazli with the help from other friends (Thanks) in the industry to get this idea moving. We want its to be the starting point for the community to establish a good relationship with education sector and industry through council... Its a start, we need more feedback. Bridging the Gap Between Education and the Workplace with the Open Source Education Council (OEC) Objective Establish the importance and need for IT graduates and professionals to enhance their skill sets in open source, cloud computing and virtualisation to move towards a high-income economy. Identify value added benefits to IT graduates and professionals as well as trends amongst IT employers. Identify available certification programmes which provide local graduates with opportunities to expand their skill sets and talents worldwide. -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Bridging the Gap Between Education and the Workplace with the Open Source Education Council (OEC)
OK thanks. Fazli and I will call for teh tarik session soon. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:49 PM, sweemeng ng swees...@gmail.com wrote: Consider that 1) I do work in a industry, 2) I use open source tools 3) and loving the tools. Count me in On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Slaya Chronicles - Geeko Acolyte msiantuxlo...@gmail.com wrote: I will have some vacation time coming up. Training...hmmm...right up my alley. Haris should know.:-P How can I help? Eric -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Bridging the Gap Between Education and the Workplace with the Open Source Education Council (OEC)
Roger that. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:02 PM, CL Chow klrkdek...@gmail.com wrote: one up :) Regards, CL Chow Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
[osdcmy-public] A Malaysia Company Open Source Project (joget)
Came across this workflow open source project by a Malaysia company. Quite interesting and seems growing healthy. http://www.joget.org/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/jogetworkflow/ -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] A Malaysia Company Open Source Project (joget)
And they are very supportive to our community. Should support them any way we can. Give and take share and caring. On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:29 AM, yccheok yancheng.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Came across this workflow open source project by a Malaysia company. Quite interesting and seems growing healthy. http://www.joget.org/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/jogetworkflow/ -- -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Bridging the Gap Between Education and the Workplace with the Open Source Education Council (OEC)
hi all, I think we got to cast our net wider or maybe deeper... our whole edu system sucks becos we are too involved in a 'paper chase' - how many A's you got, what degree you got, etc... and little on actual hands on, problem solving skills. (b4 posting this, I read thru it again and the 1st 4 para sound like a rant, which it is, but I decide to leave it in here as it provides the reasoning for the later suggestions. If you want to skip the rant, go to para 5, its marked by a '---' ) The key thing here is; if you want to develop a skill, you gottta get your hands dirty! If your'e a carpenter, you work with wood and tools, get some cuts, maybe bang your own hand with a hammer a few times... or if a mechanic/engineer, you get your hands covered in oil and grease, lying under a car... or if youre a veterinarian, you stick your arm up a cow's a** (apparently its a rite of initiation for them..) and if you do it enough times you get to become good at what you do. the key word here is 'hands on, problem solving skills'. Not theory, not certificates etc... yes the training and certification may help, but what is more important getting your hands dirty, and in IT, for programmers, it means hacking code, for SysAdmins it means setting up firewalls, servers maybe even building them... and for Network Engineers, it means pulling and crimping cables and setting up routers, etc... and you will only do this if you have a passion for it - becos its hard work! I'll like to be corrected, but my opinion is that the current batch of IT graduates (last 5-10 yrs?) have it cushy, they think they can graduate and get a nice well paid easy job and not have to do any hard work... they think the hard work is passing the exams and doing the (cut paste?) assignments.. and they 'deserve' the easy job. Blame that on the last 2 decades of 5% + growth, and our the degree mill universities for churning out the numbers to meet quotas and PKI - quantity w/o quality. Sorry the rest of the world doesn't work that way. Were facing global competition now... our ASEAN neighbour are getting more competitive, and unless we change, we gonna be left behind in the 'e-dust of the K-economy' (TM)! ! #--- So enough for ranting... I just want to pose this question: for a potential employer, which of the following candidates would be preferred: 1. IT Graduate with straight A's in pre U, good GPA, did a course with all the 'correct' subjects in its syllabus. Maybe has a few proff. certs. MCSE?!, CNE... 2. Non-IT Graduate, but somehow got interested and taught himself programming. Has done a few freelance projects/websites on his own, has a passion for programming and has a few pet projects going ever since he's in Uni. 3. IT or non IT Grad, is an active code contributor to one or more FOSS projects for a year or so. Is active in online discussions and forums, and helps provide support for others. May or may not also have done some freelance work. I dunno about you, but I will pick 2 or 3 over 1 anytime! And I have met quite a few in the M'sian FOSS community that fall into 2 or 3. The point I'm trying to make is, these students have to have FOSS projects to work on, to get their hands dirty!. And here are a few suggestions: (aside from the regular training and certification stuff) 1. OSDC 'sponsor' a few FOSS projects. Meaning they initiate it, perhaps look for actual sponsors, do something like Google SOC, maybe for longer than 1 semester... and I can think of quite a few projects, all kickass interesting and some even commercially viable. 2. Have a mentoring program, more senior/knowledgable guys from the industry (could be MNC, freelancer, etc.. but involved in FOSS) to lead the rookies, challenge them, make them think different. (I'll be game for this...) 3. Maybe help the students get academic credits if they get involve in projects like this. 4. Have some sort of online infra for doing all this... forums, groupware coordination, online courseware etc... I can think of a few FOSS apps that already can do this, and setting this up can itself be a worth while 'project'. ... probably more ideas... ... so what say you guys... are we game? If we gonna do something, do something really different, bold and meaningful, not MORE OF THE SAME THING! Count me in on yr teh tarik, and better still get MDEC involved too... On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Roger that. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 5:02 PM, CL Chow klrkdek...@gmail.com wrote: one up :) Regards, CL Chow Please do not send me Microsoft Office/Apple iWork documents. Send OpenDocument instead! http://fsf.org/campaigns/opendocument/; -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577
Re: [osdcmy-public] Bridging the Gap Between Education and the Workplace with the Open Source Education Council (OEC)
On 12/14/10 5:40 AM, Boh Yap wrote: 1. IT Graduate with straight A's in pre U, good GPA, did a course with all the 'correct' subjects in its syllabus. Maybe has a few proff. certs. MCSE?!, CNE... 2. Non-IT Graduate, but somehow got interested and taught himself programming. Has done a few freelance projects/websites on his own, has a passion for programming and has a few pet projects going ever since he's in Uni. 3. IT or non IT Grad, is an active code contributor to one or more FOSS projects for a year or so. Is active in online discussions and forums, and helps provide support for others. May or may not also have done some freelance work. It is 3 for me. If a person does not get involve and be visible, he or she is most likely: a. Lansee like shit. Too busy to spend time on your passion? Or you re busy polishing your new cert? I agree with Boh, only makes them more lansee. b. Been an active code contributor tells me in 7 seconds what he or she is made off. Don't waste my time listening to how you really did your high school project all on your own cos they re mostly lies. No words apply. Just show me the code. Not through attachments. Must be googleable. c. Not living in the real world. Today, the 'talibans' of FOSS rules. Not mercenaries. Count me in on yr teh tarik, and better still get MDEC involved too... Speaking of mercenaries, i just came back from Chulalongkorn U, BKK and actively called up by some state govt and contractors and after my presentation, they often remarked, What is MDec doing about your wonderful contribution?. I often ask them to google too to find out if MDec is interested in anything further than bloated property sales. (I also found out that our words here are googleable. So that is nice. 'Now everyone can fly', i mean read :) ) -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Fwd: What's NEW for 2011 - FREE IBM Software Career Training 2011 Public Schedules
On 12/13/10 4:16 PM, Boh Yap wrote: agreed Red1, I meant the 2 to be taken in the same context... expensive + proprietary != Open Src (OSDC?) philosophy May i quote from FSF's founder, Dr Richard Stallman, (since this will be googleable by his global following, i will throw in some non-expletive phrase for their filters to catch - ***SPAM***) RMS pointed out that the word Free is as in Freedom and not Free lunch and even gleefully invited anyone to put up a USD1b price for using GNU-Linux as an example. Thus what RMS is trying to make clear is that been expensive is A-O-K. During my own personal (botched) interview with him the last Foss.my conference in Kuala Lumpur last year, when i was ranting to him about OpenBravo, another fork of Compiere been a pliagiarist, RMS told me back that i got confused with his reference to reverse-engineering, which does not care about copying design, or usurping IP and is allowed as long as you allowed the freedom over your codes for others to go on copying. What Freedom over codes has brought to the world is what RMS is pointing to as the true innovation that can happen elsewhere and anywhere to your code. IMHO, Whoever owns it in the end does not really matter (well (IMHO) RMS ought to be sore cos Linux owns the mind-share not GNU). Now that IBM owns a big brand and is milking the brand to make money is their business. There is a choice for people either to pay for it or go elsewhere. IBM has done its share of 'Ook, ook, ook oo, Staying Alive, staying alive..'. Remember what Azrul said about defending his ex-employer, 'The Sun that never shines', so i will appreciate what IBM in its own way did for FOSS such as Linux, Eclipse and many other open or blocking moves against other real proprietary traps. I am not very interested in joining any communistic notion of FOSS, that it will cut down TCO (total cost of ownership) because it really doesn't if you take into account the pain and ass-kicking that goes with it. Usually your ass gets kicked harder back for pushing this RMS is here to save the world shit, that the others don't even understand. Cost of understanding is a bigger cost after all. People don't get kicked for bungling SAP. They even get a promotion. But beyond been a bunch of hobbyists and kampung totting penguins, the only way for FOSS to be taken seriously is when the govt really takes it seriously and throw out all those bloat. But as word has it, the govt just signed some big big deals (read discounts) from big brother. I know, cos when i was visiting some Kolej Gomen, i was told to tone down the FOSS part cos they don't want to hurt the feelings of Billy after he gave the MOHE a special rate. Now that is cheap kow-towing if you ask me. . -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
[osdcmy-public] Why Do Salesmen Talk, and Coders Walk?
Boh aplogised for his rant earlier and this prompt me to theorise something here. I been busy, what else, but immersing my head into OSGI code. After about 3 weeks of code reviewing, my head really got cross-wired and yesterday was when i maxed out. I don't even want to look at the keyboard. Then i remembered my readings of what i call Software Developer Anti Patterns, where coders work in waves, and not 9 to 5. It is faster to be slower and there is this mysterious pair-programming been better. Of course, the Open Source community tops it all, as people are motivated when there is social talk happening at 'work'. Steven Covey, author of 7 Habits, even wrote about letting your staff bitched about you in the open, as this is good psychology. In short people need to rant. Especially coders. The work is both intense and extensive, depending on how you code or rather copy/paste. Salespeople get stressed out too. They will F here and F there whenever they are away from the clients. Or bosses. News people will take it out by smoking pot. Almost all the lady reporters are smokers. But for coders, they are harmless to the ozone layer. But they will just rant and rant. In fact, i will add this to the items i will look out for in the next FOSS candidate i find. How well do you rant? Before i forget i need to apply this symbol here - :) --- anti smoking device. . -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Why Do Salesmen Talk, and Coders Walk?
hi Red, good one, its a socio-psycological phenomena that is worth at least a Masters thesis! But I will also add one thing, its not how much you rant, but also how eloquently you communicate your ideas, humour, wit and clarity is important. After all, communications skills is also a important requisite for SW development as we are often communicating complex concepts... ;-) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:46 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Boh aplogised for his rant earlier and this prompt me to theorise something here. I been busy, what else, but immersing my head into OSGI code. After about 3 weeks of code reviewing, my head really got cross-wired and yesterday was when i maxed out. I don't even want to look at the keyboard. Then i remembered my readings of what i call Software Developer Anti Patterns, where coders work in waves, and not 9 to 5. It is faster to be slower and there is this mysterious pair-programming been better. Of course, the Open Source community tops it all, as people are motivated when there is social talk happening at 'work'. Steven Covey, author of 7 Habits, even wrote about letting your staff bitched about you in the open, as this is good psychology. In short people need to rant. Especially coders. The work is both intense and extensive, depending on how you code or rather copy/paste. Salespeople get stressed out too. They will F here and F there whenever they are away from the clients. Or bosses. News people will take it out by smoking pot. Almost all the lady reporters are smokers. But for coders, they are harmless to the ozone layer. But they will just rant and rant. In fact, i will add this to the items i will look out for in the next FOSS candidate i find. How well do you rant? Before i forget i need to apply this symbol here - :) --- anti smoking device. . -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -- #--- regds, Boh Heong, Yap -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Why Do Salesmen Talk, and Coders Walk?
I don't think it is rant. I believe it is actually a close loop feedback system working Technical people (engineers, programmers) like to talk about what they are doing, and telling it to someone else, with the hope of getting feedback. This feedback usually will improve and enhance the thing that they are currently doing. Most people don't really aware they are in a close loop system, until they found the Aha! moment, and the word like, good idea, why I did not think of that, etc comes out from their mouth. Most of the time I like to hear technical people ranting about their job or work environment, and then I will ask them, what do you think is the solution to that problem? . Wait a while and you will see that they actually have answer for most of their rant, but it was not obvious to them because the loop is not closed :) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Boh Yap bhy...@gmail.com wrote: hi Red, good one, its a socio-psycological phenomena that is worth at least a Masters thesis! But I will also add one thing, its not how much you rant, but also how eloquently you communicate your ideas, humour, wit and clarity is important. After all, communications skills is also a important requisite for SW development as we are often communicating complex concepts... ;-) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:46 AM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Boh aplogised for his rant earlier and this prompt me to theorise something here. I been busy, what else, but immersing my head into OSGI code. After about 3 weeks of code reviewing, my head really got cross-wired and yesterday was when i maxed out. I don't even want to look at the keyboard. Then i remembered my readings of what i call Software Developer Anti Patterns, where coders work in waves, and not 9 to 5. It is faster to be slower and there is this mysterious pair-programming been better. Of course, the Open Source community tops it all, as people are motivated when there is social talk happening at 'work'. Steven Covey, author of 7 Habits, even wrote about letting your staff bitched about you in the open, as this is good psychology. In short people need to rant. Especially coders. The work is both intense and extensive, depending on how you code or rather copy/paste. Salespeople get stressed out too. They will F here and F there whenever they are away from the clients. Or bosses. News people will take it out by smoking pot. Almost all the lady reporters are smokers. But for coders, they are harmless to the ozone layer. But they will just rant and rant. In fact, i will add this to the items i will look out for in the next FOSS candidate i find. How well do you rant? Before i forget i need to apply this symbol here - :) --- anti smoking device. . -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -- #--- regds, Boh Heong, Yap -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Why Do Salesmen Talk, and Coders Walk?
Aha! Why not we put our rants, i mean close loop thoughts into a new book? --- Rantings of Open Source Minds :) On 12/14/10 11:15 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote: I don't think it is rant. I believe it is actually a close loop feedback system working Technical people (engineers, programmers) like to talk about what they are doing, and telling it to someone else, with the hope of getting feedback. This feedback usually will improve and enhance the thing that they are currently doing. Most people don't really aware they are in a close loop system, until they found the Aha! moment, and the word like, good idea, why I did not think of that, etc comes out from their mouth. Most of the time I like to hear technical people ranting about their job or work environment, and then I will ask them, what do you think is the solution to that problem? . Wait a while and you will see that they actually have answer for most of their rant, but it was not obvious to them because the loop is not closed :) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Boh Yapbhy...@gmail.com wrote: hi Red, good one, its a socio-psycological phenomena that is worth at least a Masters thesis! But I will also add one thing, its not how much you rant, but also how eloquently you communicate your ideas, humour, wit and clarity is important. After all, communications skills is also a important requisite for SW development as we are often communicating complex concepts... ;-) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:46 AM, red1r...@red1.org wrote: Boh aplogised for his rant earlier and this prompt me to theorise something here. I been busy, what else, but immersing my head into OSGI code. After about 3 weeks of code reviewing, my head really got cross-wired and yesterday was when i maxed out. I don't even want to look at the keyboard. Then i remembered my readings of what i call Software Developer Anti Patterns, where coders work in waves, and not 9 to 5. It is faster to be slower and there is this mysterious pair-programming been better. Of course, the Open Source community tops it all, as people are motivated when there is social talk happening at 'work'. Steven Covey, author of 7 Habits, even wrote about letting your staff bitched about you in the open, as this is good psychology. In short people need to rant. Especially coders. The work is both intense and extensive, depending on how you code or rather copy/paste. Salespeople get stressed out too. They will F here and F there whenever they are away from the clients. Or bosses. News people will take it out by smoking pot. Almost all the lady reporters are smokers. But for coders, they are harmless to the ozone layer. But they will just rant and rant. In fact, i will add this to the items i will look out for in the next FOSS candidate i find. How well do you rant? Before i forget i need to apply this symbol here - :)--- anti smoking device. . -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Why Do Salesmen Talk, and Coders Walk?
Cool :) Can start collecting now On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 2:05 PM, red1 r...@red1.org wrote: Aha! Why not we put our rants, i mean close loop thoughts into a new book? --- Rantings of Open Source Minds :) On 12/14/10 11:15 AM, Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan wrote: I don't think it is rant. I believe it is actually a close loop feedback system working Technical people (engineers, programmers) like to talk about what they are doing, and telling it to someone else, with the hope of getting feedback. This feedback usually will improve and enhance the thing that they are currently doing. Most people don't really aware they are in a close loop system, until they found the Aha! moment, and the word like, good idea, why I did not think of that, etc comes out from their mouth. Most of the time I like to hear technical people ranting about their job or work environment, and then I will ask them, what do you think is the solution to that problem? . Wait a while and you will see that they actually have answer for most of their rant, but it was not obvious to them because the loop is not closed :) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Boh Yapbhy...@gmail.com wrote: hi Red, good one, its a socio-psycological phenomena that is worth at least a Masters thesis! But I will also add one thing, its not how much you rant, but also how eloquently you communicate your ideas, humour, wit and clarity is important. After all, communications skills is also a important requisite for SW development as we are often communicating complex concepts... ;-) On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:46 AM, red1r...@red1.org wrote: Boh aplogised for his rant earlier and this prompt me to theorise something here. I been busy, what else, but immersing my head into OSGI code. After about 3 weeks of code reviewing, my head really got cross-wired and yesterday was when i maxed out. I don't even want to look at the keyboard. Then i remembered my readings of what i call Software Developer Anti Patterns, where coders work in waves, and not 9 to 5. It is faster to be slower and there is this mysterious pair-programming been better. Of course, the Open Source community tops it all, as people are motivated when there is social talk happening at 'work'. Steven Covey, author of 7 Habits, even wrote about letting your staff bitched about you in the open, as this is good psychology. In short people need to rant. Especially coders. The work is both intense and extensive, depending on how you code or rather copy/paste. Salespeople get stressed out too. They will F here and F there whenever they are away from the clients. Or bosses. News people will take it out by smoking pot. Almost all the lady reporters are smokers. But for coders, they are harmless to the ozone layer. But they will just rant and rant. In fact, i will add this to the items i will look out for in the next FOSS candidate i find. How well do you rant? Before i forget i need to apply this symbol here - :)--- anti smoking device. . -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -- Sharuzzaman Ahmat Raslan -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
Re: [osdcmy-public] Bridging the Gap Between Education and the Workplace with the Open Source Education Council (OEC)
Hi all, we are currently in a media interview to promote this. the spokes persons are from osdc.my(community), jobstreet(HR professional), MSU (education) and Redhat(oss vendor). will update on the details later. :) Yun On 12/13/10, Harisfazillah Jamel linuxmalay...@gmail.com wrote: Team Its take some time for Yun and Fazli with the help from other friends (Thanks) in the industry to get this idea moving. We want its to be the starting point for the community to establish a good relationship with education sector and industry through council... Its a start, we need more feedback. Bridging the Gap Between Education and the Workplace with the Open Source Education Council (OEC) Objective Establish the importance and need for IT graduates and professionals to enhance their skill sets in open source, cloud computing and virtualisation to move towards a high-income economy. Identify value added benefits to IT graduates and professionals as well as trends amongst IT employers. Identify available certification programmes which provide local graduates with opportunities to expand their skill sets and talents worldwide. -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -- Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups OSDC.my Mailing List group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en
