[osdcmy] Hackers: a TED talk
hi, worth listening to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gSwRHScq6M&feature=player_embedded#! -- #--- regds, Boh Heong, Yap -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] UK Gov gores open source
Hi Found another article http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/uk_government_uturns_open_standards_policy_and_look_whos_behind_it UK Government u-turns on open standards policy - and look who's behind it? I have post it here https://www.facebook.com/bantahcpb On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 3:44 AM, Boh Yap wrote: > hi all, > > Following up on UK gov policies on Opeb Source for Edu, they now use > it for the entire gov. > > http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/The-open-source-behind-gov-uk-revealed-1426513.html > they "..do, don't talk" > > While our gov can't make up its own mind wait, its owned by > proprietary SW vendors! > > -- > #--- > regds, > > Boh Heong, Yap > > -- > To unsubscribe from and detail about this group > http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information > > OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ > > Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 > MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- Malaysia Open Source Software Conference 2011 MOSC2011 http://www.mosc.my/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 (MOSC2012) http://portal.mosc.my/ LinuxMalaysia Network http://www.facebook.com/Bukan.Sekadar.Internet.Sahaja Harisfazillah Jamel -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
Re: [osdcmy] UK Gov gores open source
What I am saying that, the govt tend to NOT use the new technology, like most big organization in Malaysia. And it is already pretty bad, that the policy maker don't have the knowledge, but having a vendor mentality is not helping in the adoption of technology in govt. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:01 PM, Boh Yap wrote: > hi, > > Swee Meng, r u saying that the ,net and Java groupies use nosql? I think > not. > > What that report also says is that the UK gov is not 'afraid' to use > new technologies, that offer real advantages vs the 'safe' staples > like ,net, java that perpetuate their own interests, not the clients. > Also its to 'feed' the hordes of ofifcially certified .net, java > engineers. > > My opinion is, government SHOULD use "non-conventional" technology, > like Ruby, Scala, Python, no/new SQL (note: these are NOT 'bleeding > edge' technologies but have been well proven in industry, its just > that its Open Source and NOT part of the commercial mainstream ). Why? > because: > > 1. they offer real advantages over the conventional stuff, especially > 'speed of development'... the real techies knows this, so theres not > need to talk about this here... > > 2. the Government SHOULD act as the catalyst to upgrade and guide the > industry, to meet the social economic goals. By using government IT > projects, to drive standards and adoption of technology. Something > which I doubt the local private sector would do, they want to play > 'safe'. > > 3. finding human and technical resources, will be hard, leading to > See Mengs comments: "hard to hire and hard to fire". This is a > 'chicken & egg' problem, perhaps the gov should solve this by > providing the 'egg', ie: by creating the demand for such > skills/resources and the market may follow by supplying them. Sure, > its not going to be easy, it will take more time, it may cost more. > (But the gov wastes a lots of money anyway... like the Natnl Feedlot > Project!, how many IT Projects would that have supported?). > > By adopting more productive non-conventional technology using Gov IT > projects as the vehicle, the Gov can create a new, dynamic & globally > competitive SW development industry and meet social economic goals. > Thus the gov. can act as an agent for change, by boot-straping' and > vitalising the SW industry. Yes, changes are going to be a bit > difficult in the beginning, and there will be winners and losers. > > The winners being a more competitive and dynamic SW industry with a > healthy divesified eco-system, instead of one dominated by a handful > of players. > I'm not advocating getting rid of Java, it has its place in big-iron > legacy projects. But when developing service orientated Web portals > and docuement management systems, there are better tools. > > OF course to do so, the Gov requires enlightened and capable > leadership... rather than bureaucrats that take the easy way out and > listen to their vendors > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:18 AM, sweemeng ng wrote: > > A lil observation I made, those that will do Govt websites(contractor or > > not) tend to not use technology like rails and mongodb, and scala. > > > > In fact, outside the developer community here(which I say is really a > small > > number), not many will use anything not .net or java or php and nosql. > If a > > person were to choose a stack to use in a(any) software project for > > malaysia, chances is, rails and mongodb will not be a choice, it is hard > to > > hire and hard to fire, despite the advantages technically. > > > > Those that will use it, tend to be geeks, which will not work in this > type > > of project anyway, for reason that we know but shall not talk about. And > we > > are the minority of software developer in malaysia anyway, the one that > love > > anything that is not java or .net or nosql > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:18 AM, red1 wrote: > >> > >> Bit slow from here to access M'sian gov.my. Must be due to heavy old > >> grafix used. Can anyone propose to the PM's Office for the needed > upgrade? > >> Greetings from São Paulo, Brazil. > >> > >> > >> On 2/5/12 11:33 AM, hadri hilmi wrote: > >> > >> It looks very clean https://www.gov.uk/ > >> > >> Oh my gov http://www.malaysia.gov.my > >> > >> > >> -- > >> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group > >> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information > >> > >> OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook > >> http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ > >> > >> Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 > >> MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Just a random living organic computer code generator > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from and detail about this group > > http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information > > > > OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ > > > > Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 > > MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ > > > > -- > #--- > regds, > > Boh Heong, Yap > > -- > To un
Re: [osdcmy] UK Gov gores open source
hi, Swee Meng, r u saying that the ,net and Java groupies use nosql? I think not. What that report also says is that the UK gov is not 'afraid' to use new technologies, that offer real advantages vs the 'safe' staples like ,net, java that perpetuate their own interests, not the clients. Also its to 'feed' the hordes of ofifcially certified .net, java engineers. My opinion is, government SHOULD use "non-conventional" technology, like Ruby, Scala, Python, no/new SQL (note: these are NOT 'bleeding edge' technologies but have been well proven in industry, its just that its Open Source and NOT part of the commercial mainstream ). Why? because: 1. they offer real advantages over the conventional stuff, especially 'speed of development'... the real techies knows this, so theres not need to talk about this here... 2. the Government SHOULD act as the catalyst to upgrade and guide the industry, to meet the social economic goals. By using government IT projects, to drive standards and adoption of technology. Something which I doubt the local private sector would do, they want to play 'safe'. 3. finding human and technical resources, will be hard, leading to See Mengs comments: "hard to hire and hard to fire". This is a 'chicken & egg' problem, perhaps the gov should solve this by providing the 'egg', ie: by creating the demand for such skills/resources and the market may follow by supplying them. Sure, its not going to be easy, it will take more time, it may cost more. (But the gov wastes a lots of money anyway... like the Natnl Feedlot Project!, how many IT Projects would that have supported?). By adopting more productive non-conventional technology using Gov IT projects as the vehicle, the Gov can create a new, dynamic & globally competitive SW development industry and meet social economic goals. Thus the gov. can act as an agent for change, by boot-straping' and vitalising the SW industry. Yes, changes are going to be a bit difficult in the beginning, and there will be winners and losers. The winners being a more competitive and dynamic SW industry with a healthy divesified eco-system, instead of one dominated by a handful of players. I'm not advocating getting rid of Java, it has its place in big-iron legacy projects. But when developing service orientated Web portals and docuement management systems, there are better tools. OF course to do so, the Gov requires enlightened and capable leadership... rather than bureaucrats that take the easy way out and listen to their vendors On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:18 AM, sweemeng ng wrote: > A lil observation I made, those that will do Govt websites(contractor or > not) tend to not use technology like rails and mongodb, and scala. > > In fact, outside the developer community here(which I say is really a small > number), not many will use anything not .net or java or php and nosql. If a > person were to choose a stack to use in a(any) software project for > malaysia, chances is, rails and mongodb will not be a choice, it is hard to > hire and hard to fire, despite the advantages technically. > > Those that will use it, tend to be geeks, which will not work in this type > of project anyway, for reason that we know but shall not talk about. And we > are the minority of software developer in malaysia anyway, the one that love > anything that is not java or .net or nosql > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 9:18 AM, red1 wrote: >> >> Bit slow from here to access M'sian gov.my. Must be due to heavy old >> grafix used. Can anyone propose to the PM's Office for the needed upgrade? >> Greetings from São Paulo, Brazil. >> >> >> On 2/5/12 11:33 AM, hadri hilmi wrote: >> >> It looks very clean https://www.gov.uk/ >> >> Oh my gov http://www.malaysia.gov.my >> >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe from and detail about this group >> http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information >> >> OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook >> http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ >> >> Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 >> MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ > > > > > -- > Just a random living organic computer code generator > > -- > To unsubscribe from and detail about this group > http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information > > OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ > > Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 > MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/ -- #--- regds, Boh Heong, Yap -- To unsubscribe from and detail about this group http://portal.mosc.my/osdc-my-mailing-list-information OSDC.my Discussion Group In Facebook http://www.facebook.com/groups/osdcmalaysia/ Malaysia Open Source Conference 2012 MOSC2012 http://portal.mosc.my/
