[osdcmy-public] Re: Poor teaching of CS in Uni, not only in M'sia...
Nice to see Universiti Malaya at 180... and no wonder UiTM isn't in the the chart. Hasanuddin Abu Bakar --- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index 2009/10/10 Raja Iskandar Shah > the latest university rankings are out: > > http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2009/results > my past univ is on 34, my wife's on 17, my sister's at 20, my other > sister's at 91 and my brother's at 320. thanks to the govt, we had the > opportunity to study at these univ. > > to say that these top universities are because of prestigious history > contradicts with the national university of singapore which is at number 30. > > i am going to relate my wife's current experience - so far this is an > isolated incident coz i have not verified whether the same is true for any > other academic institutions. > > my wife is a former accountant. she is a graduate from the australian > national university (top 17 ranking in the world). she has an australian > certifed practicising accountant and a member of the malaysian institute of > accountant. and 20 years experience in the industry. she has written 2 books > on kerjaya sebagai pengurus kewangan and industri insurans over the past 5 > years. when we moved to terengganu, she 'retired' from work. > > recently, out of boredom, she applied and secured a job as a part time > tutor for accounting diploma students at uitm kuala terengganu campus. ok > lah. > > but she was also informed that she was 'unqualified' to be a contract / > permanent tutor as she did not have a masters. > > my point is if the university do not acknowledge an international industry > professional certification, do you think they even care about what the > industry requires ? what are the percentage of the academic staff that have > at least 3 years experience in the industry ? what are the percentage that > they have an industry professional certification ? > > the industry professional certificates that i know of requires a minimum of > 3 years practical experience in a member firm (like for accountants, > lawyers, engineers, doctors). for a masters. any fresh graduate can do it > within 18 months. > > mujur we have private univ like aeu that do recognise the importance of > industry leaders like red1. > > with respect to use of ms visual basic 6 and ms access mdb, i suggest any > student who is required to learn those software to write to the mohe > minister to inform on use of obsolete proprietary software. > > // i hate the dummies book. it breeds a culture of prejudice for treating > your readers and end-users as dummies which is not right. > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, sweemeng ng wrote: > >> Job program, == a program to generate job to people. >> Not a program to make people get a job outsite >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar > > wrote: >> >>> sweemeng are you sure university in malaysia is a job program? I wonder >>> why a lot of students still lack of skills for job market. They still teach >>> VB -_- and only ONE lecturer teach PHP because he is the ONLY one know PHP. >>> don't believe me? I was a student there. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Hasanuddin Abu Bakar >>> --- >>> Ubuntu embedded developer/tester >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut >>> >>> Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org >>> >>> PGP Public Key >>> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Adli Azaddin wrote: >>> my last U teaches php as a core syllabus On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM, sweemeng ng wrote: > University in malaysia is a job program. What you expecting > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar < > bizkut...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> UiTM takes 5 years to rearrange syllabus. >> >> >> >> Hasanuddin Abu Bakar >> --- >> Ubuntu embedded developer/tester >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut >> >> Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org >> >> PGP Public Key >> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, darXness darXness > > wrote: >> >>> >>> hmm...sbb ak pun stdent..ak rase ade btolnyer mnde nie... >>> "..The reason is that people who teach programming don't program, as >>> far as I can tell." >>> menarik gak..hehe... >>> ape kate,kite wat satu program course,pasal opensource mcm >>> ccna,mcse,rhce.so kalo lect cs wajib ade sijil nie n kene implement >>> lam life dorang.tiap tahu
[osdcmy-public] Re: Poor teaching of CS in Uni, not only in M'sia...
the latest university rankings are out: http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/world-university-rankings/2009/results my past univ is on 34, my wife's on 17, my sister's at 20, my other sister's at 91 and my brother's at 320. thanks to the govt, we had the opportunity to study at these univ. to say that these top universities are because of prestigious history contradicts with the national university of singapore which is at number 30. i am going to relate my wife's current experience - so far this is an isolated incident coz i have not verified whether the same is true for any other academic institutions. my wife is a former accountant. she is a graduate from the australian national university (top 17 ranking in the world). she has an australian certifed practicising accountant and a member of the malaysian institute of accountant. and 20 years experience in the industry. she has written 2 books on kerjaya sebagai pengurus kewangan and industri insurans over the past 5 years. when we moved to terengganu, she 'retired' from work. recently, out of boredom, she applied and secured a job as a part time tutor for accounting diploma students at uitm kuala terengganu campus. ok lah. but she was also informed that she was 'unqualified' to be a contract / permanent tutor as she did not have a masters. my point is if the university do not acknowledge an international industry professional certification, do you think they even care about what the industry requires ? what are the percentage of the academic staff that have at least 3 years experience in the industry ? what are the percentage that they have an industry professional certification ? the industry professional certificates that i know of requires a minimum of 3 years practical experience in a member firm (like for accountants, lawyers, engineers, doctors). for a masters. any fresh graduate can do it within 18 months. mujur we have private univ like aeu that do recognise the importance of industry leaders like red1. with respect to use of ms visual basic 6 and ms access mdb, i suggest any student who is required to learn those software to write to the mohe minister to inform on use of obsolete proprietary software. // i hate the dummies book. it breeds a culture of prejudice for treating your readers and end-users as dummies which is not right. On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 6:06 PM, sweemeng ng wrote: > Job program, == a program to generate job to people. > Not a program to make people get a job outsite > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar > wrote: > >> sweemeng are you sure university in malaysia is a job program? I wonder >> why a lot of students still lack of skills for job market. They still teach >> VB -_- and only ONE lecturer teach PHP because he is the ONLY one know PHP. >> don't believe me? I was a student there. >> >> >> >> >> Hasanuddin Abu Bakar >> --- >> Ubuntu embedded developer/tester >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut >> >> Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org >> >> PGP Public Key >> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Adli Azaddin wrote: >> >>> my last U teaches php as a core syllabus >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM, sweemeng ng wrote: >>> University in malaysia is a job program. What you expecting On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar < bizkut...@gmail.com> wrote: > UiTM takes 5 years to rearrange syllabus. > > > > Hasanuddin Abu Bakar > --- > Ubuntu embedded developer/tester > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut > > Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org > > PGP Public Key > http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, darXness darXness > wrote: > >> >> hmm...sbb ak pun stdent..ak rase ade btolnyer mnde nie... >> "..The reason is that people who teach programming don't program, as >> far as I can tell." >> menarik gak..hehe... >> ape kate,kite wat satu program course,pasal opensource mcm >> ccna,mcse,rhce.so kalo lect cs wajib ade sijil nie n kene implement >> lam life dorang.tiap tahun kene renew so nak xnak,dorang kene amik >> gak.heheh >> >> >> > > > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send em
[osdcmy-public] Re: Poor teaching of CS in Uni, not only in M'sia...
Job program, == a program to generate job to people. Not a program to make people get a job outsite On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar wrote: > sweemeng are you sure university in malaysia is a job program? I wonder why > a lot of students still lack of skills for job market. They still teach VB > -_- and only ONE lecturer teach PHP because he is the ONLY one know PHP. > don't believe me? I was a student there. > > > > > Hasanuddin Abu Bakar > --- > Ubuntu embedded developer/tester > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut > > Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org > > PGP Public Key > http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Adli Azaddin wrote: > >> my last U teaches php as a core syllabus >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM, sweemeng ng wrote: >> >>> University in malaysia is a job program. What you expecting >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar < >>> bizkut...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> UiTM takes 5 years to rearrange syllabus. Hasanuddin Abu Bakar --- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, darXness darXness wrote: > > hmm...sbb ak pun stdent..ak rase ade btolnyer mnde nie... > "..The reason is that people who teach programming don't program, as > far as I can tell." > menarik gak..hehe... > ape kate,kite wat satu program course,pasal opensource mcm > ccna,mcse,rhce.so kalo lect cs wajib ade sijil nie n kene implement > lam life dorang.tiap tahun kene renew so nak xnak,dorang kene amik > gak.heheh > > > >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Poor teaching of CS in Uni, not only in M'sia...
sweemeng are you sure university in malaysia is a job program? I wonder why a lot of students still lack of skills for job market. They still teach VB -_- and only ONE lecturer teach PHP because he is the ONLY one know PHP. don't believe me? I was a student there. Hasanuddin Abu Bakar --- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM, Adli Azaddin wrote: > my last U teaches php as a core syllabus > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM, sweemeng ng wrote: > >> University in malaysia is a job program. What you expecting >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar > > wrote: >> >>> UiTM takes 5 years to rearrange syllabus. >>> >>> >>> >>> Hasanuddin Abu Bakar >>> --- >>> Ubuntu embedded developer/tester >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut >>> >>> Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org >>> >>> PGP Public Key >>> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, darXness darXness wrote: >>> hmm...sbb ak pun stdent..ak rase ade btolnyer mnde nie... "..The reason is that people who teach programming don't program, as far as I can tell." menarik gak..hehe... ape kate,kite wat satu program course,pasal opensource mcm ccna,mcse,rhce.so kalo lect cs wajib ade sijil nie n kene implement lam life dorang.tiap tahun kene renew so nak xnak,dorang kene amik gak.heheh >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Poor teaching of CS in Uni, not only in M'sia...
my last U teaches php as a core syllabus On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:50 PM, sweemeng ng wrote: > University in malaysia is a job program. What you expecting > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar > wrote: > >> UiTM takes 5 years to rearrange syllabus. >> >> >> >> Hasanuddin Abu Bakar >> --- >> Ubuntu embedded developer/tester >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut >> >> Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org >> >> PGP Public Key >> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, darXness darXness wrote: >> >>> >>> hmm...sbb ak pun stdent..ak rase ade btolnyer mnde nie... >>> "..The reason is that people who teach programming don't program, as >>> far as I can tell." >>> menarik gak..hehe... >>> ape kate,kite wat satu program course,pasal opensource mcm >>> ccna,mcse,rhce.so kalo lect cs wajib ade sijil nie n kene implement >>> lam life dorang.tiap tahun kene renew so nak xnak,dorang kene amik >>> gak.heheh >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Poor teaching of CS in Uni, not only in M'sia...
University in malaysia is a job program. What you expecting On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Hasanuddin Abu Bakar wrote: > UiTM takes 5 years to rearrange syllabus. > > > > Hasanuddin Abu Bakar > --- > Ubuntu embedded developer/tester > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut > > Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org > > PGP Public Key > http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index > > > > > On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, darXness darXness wrote: > >> >> hmm...sbb ak pun stdent..ak rase ade btolnyer mnde nie... >> "..The reason is that people who teach programming don't program, as >> far as I can tell." >> menarik gak..hehe... >> ape kate,kite wat satu program course,pasal opensource mcm >> ccna,mcse,rhce.so kalo lect cs wajib ade sijil nie n kene implement >> lam life dorang.tiap tahun kene renew so nak xnak,dorang kene amik >> gak.heheh >> >> >> > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Poor teaching of CS in Uni, not only in M'sia...
UiTM takes 5 years to rearrange syllabus. Hasanuddin Abu Bakar --- Ubuntu embedded developer/tester https://wiki.ubuntu.com/bizkut Get FireGPG for your Firefox! http://getfiregpg.org PGP Public Key http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0xD25748FC1754D52DAFA5EA8EC5A1B11965D43C5C&op=index On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 3:20 PM, darXness darXness wrote: > > hmm...sbb ak pun stdent..ak rase ade btolnyer mnde nie... > "..The reason is that people who teach programming don't program, as > far as I can tell." > menarik gak..hehe... > ape kate,kite wat satu program course,pasal opensource mcm > ccna,mcse,rhce.so kalo lect cs wajib ade sijil nie n kene implement > lam life dorang.tiap tahun kene renew so nak xnak,dorang kene amik > gak.heheh > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Poor teaching of CS in Uni, not only in M'sia...
hmm...sbb ak pun stdent..ak rase ade btolnyer mnde nie... "..The reason is that people who teach programming don't program, as far as I can tell." menarik gak..hehe... ape kate,kite wat satu program course,pasal opensource mcm ccna,mcse,rhce.so kalo lect cs wajib ade sijil nie n kene implement lam life dorang.tiap tahun kene renew so nak xnak,dorang kene amik gak.heheh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[osdcmy-public] Re: Poor teaching of CS in Uni, not only in M'sia...
I was once the student of this type of uni, until i drop my course before i spend more money on these shits. Sent from my iPhone On 2009 Okt 8, at 06:35, Boh Yap wrote: > > hi, > > looking at this post, it looks like the poor standards of teaching of > CS (Comp Sc.) is also a problem in some Uni's in US... > > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/79231/why-dont-they-teach-these-things-in-school/79365#79365 > > as one of the posters mentioned: > > "..The reason is that people who teach programming don't program, as > far as I can tell." > > this may be the root of the problem. Unis & Colleges require that > lecturers have a Ms degree, but not how many years they've worked in > 'real' industry. Maybe they should invite real working professionals > as assoc. lecturers.. > > > -- > #--- > regds, > > Boh Heong, Yap > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ Join Open Source Developers Club Malaysia http://www.osdc.my/ Facebook Fan page http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=98685301577 http://www.facebook.com/OSDC.my You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "OSDC.my Mailing List" group. To post to this group, send email to osdcmy-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to osdcmy-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/osdcmy-list?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
