Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Hi Rizzen, > Rizzen is far from my real name. It is a random generated fictional name. > > >From past replies to my posts on this mailing list, Robert has had no > problems referring to me as Rizzen, showing that even fictional names do > work. :) Yes, the key is *use* you psuedo name in place of true name, rather than just not using a name at all. The real problem is posts that address no one, and have no signature, where there is absolutely no indication how one is addressed. Its rude communitcation that all too easily can stem from hiding behind anonymity. Polite discussions go like this: Hi X, Some text Post from X: > Some other points Regards, Z Drop the address and your have: Some text: > Some other point Now which of these is likely to be taken the wrong way, and to lead to deterioration in communications? This is basics of human communication. Personally I find anonymity a slippery slow, its communication that from the outset is based on one party being deceitful. As Nicolas pointed out, anonymity can be used to avoid accountability, which in turn can all too easily lead to peoples conduct dropping. As someone who's working life is very entwined with the osg-users community I am very exposed this conduct dropping. Sadly poor conduct in one poster can then rub off on to others, and all too soon its a rabble and thoroughly unpleasant place for everybody to hang out. As project lead and mailing list administrator its my role to try and sheppard things in a better direction. This does occasionally mean calling out behaviour which I feel is not acceptable to myself and others. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
I have read all the posts on this interesting topic. Both sides has valid reasons for using actual names and for nicknames. I believe a simple compromise can exist that should make everyone happy, even for Robert. If a person wishes for his/her identity to be unknown on the mailing list or forums, then that right should be honoured. Yet to be respectful of other users, visitors, contributors, etc, the person should choose a simple suitable false name. It may be another real name or completely fictional, as long as it is not leetspeek (stupid nicknames with digits and punctuation amongst the letters), or combination of everyday words, example Night Hawk that me have here. Though personally I have no problems with Night Hawk, for I am one of those people that honours a person's request to be referred by the person's nickname (their own choice or given by another) rather than their actual name. Rizzen is far from my real name. It is a random generated fictional name. >From past replies to my posts on this mailing list, Robert has had no problems referring to me as Rizzen, showing that even fictional names do work. :) Rizzen ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Hi All, I have been reading this conversation and others mails and I think that the "cool names" are not the real problem but is easy to see that the users who are rude and write in a very impolite way usually hide behind "cool names". So after a long day of work when you have to answer a couple of insulting "I FOUND A BUG!" mails from someone called IceShark, is easy to put the blame on the "cool names" and write a mail as the one that started this thread.I think it is not too much to ask people to sing with a "normal" name or in the case you prefer a cool one, being extra polite. I am a 2 meters tall, 115 kilos, ex rugby player. In real life I always have to be extra polite, smiling to every stranger I came across with because experience have told me that I need to compensate for my frightening look. I think that a "cool name" in a mailing list is an equivalent to my look in real life as its use is very frequent among those who just want to disturb. That said call me Nicolas or Mr.another, as you wish ;) Cheers, Nicolas 2008/3/25, Somerville, Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Colman, > > > "Having said all of this, I meant no disrespect to anyone." > > > I have to say that your email has to have been the most insulting thing > posted to this list. It certainly seems that you did mean disrespect. > > Anyone can disagree civilly, but to start throwing what amount to insults > around is a bit much. Why don't we take this back down a notch? > > Andy > > > P.s. Robert can be cranky when he is busy, but I have yet to see anyone > turn down his help. > > > > -Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Night Hawk > > Sent: Mon 3/24/2008 5:52 PM > To: OpenSceneGraph Users > Subject: Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names > > > Well Robert, > > Why don't you make it straight - " This is My list and things should > go My way". > > At least thats the feeling you seem to be having when you said this: > "Otherwise I will just start ignoring posts. Then you don't get > the > support your want" > > Thats either a broad assumption or miscalculation or at least > disrespect for others who might be willing to help. > > What ever it is, you are making this a very bad experience for users > by stipulating "if you want help, you have to do this". > > It reminds me only one word, "Monopoly". > > As for others like Andy and Gordon who are thinking "lets trade our > personality to Robert because he is helping us" - I have only this to > say - Save your self-respect guys. If he doesn't help - there would be > no one for him to help to. You need to understand this. > > As for the cheques - let them ASK it, if they want. Robert, are you > doing all this for those big cheques that Gordon is talking about ? I > don't think so. Come on Gordon, Grow up. > > Having said all of this, I meant no disrespect to anyone. > > > ___ > osg-users mailing list > osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org > http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org > > > ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Colman, "Having said all of this, I meant no disrespect to anyone." I have to say that your email has to have been the most insulting thing posted to this list. It certainly seems that you did mean disrespect. Anyone can disagree civilly, but to start throwing what amount to insults around is a bit much. Why don't we take this back down a notch? Andy P.s. Robert can be cranky when he is busy, but I have yet to see anyone turn down his help. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Night Hawk Sent: Mon 3/24/2008 5:52 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names Well Robert, Why don't you make it straight - " This is My list and things should go My way". At least thats the feeling you seem to be having when you said this: "Otherwise I will just start ignoring posts. Then you don't get the support your want" Thats either a broad assumption or miscalculation or at least disrespect for others who might be willing to help. What ever it is, you are making this a very bad experience for users by stipulating "if you want help, you have to do this". It reminds me only one word, "Monopoly". As for others like Andy and Gordon who are thinking "lets trade our personality to Robert because he is helping us" - I have only this to say - Save your self-respect guys. If he doesn't help - there would be no one for him to help to. You need to understand this. As for the cheques - let them ASK it, if they want. Robert, are you doing all this for those big cheques that Gordon is talking about ? I don't think so. Come on Gordon, Grow up. Having said all of this, I meant no disrespect to anyone. <>___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Well Robert, Why don't you make it straight - " This is My list and things should go My way". At least thats the feeling you seem to be having when you said this: "Otherwise I will just start ignoring posts. Then you don't get the support your want" Thats either a broad assumption or miscalculation or at least disrespect for others who might be willing to help. What ever it is, you are making this a very bad experience for users by stipulating "if you want help, you have to do this". It reminds me only one word, "Monopoly". As for others like Andy and Gordon who are thinking "lets trade our personality to Robert because he is helping us" - I have only this to say - Save your self-respect guys. If he doesn't help - there would be no one for him to help to. You need to understand this. As for the cheques - let them ASK it, if they want. Robert, are you doing all this for those big cheques that Gordon is talking about ? I don't think so. Come on Gordon, Grow up. Having said all of this, I meant no disrespect to anyone. -- On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:49 AM, Robert Osfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Night Hawk > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you. I don't mean to be rude, but you have the option to > > ignore/not reply the mails you don't feel like answering (or hard to > > find addressing). > > Well ignoring mails that I find rude is an option. It's not one I > want to take, this is why I raise this topic, to fix it. > > Otherwise I will just start ignoring posts. Then you don't get the > support your want. > > > > So, I think we can take it easy. As I said, people have good reasons > > for things they do. > > People also often don't they are offending people unless its pointed out. > > > > > And also thanks for the others who has chimed-in some good fun in > > previous replies. It was good time reading them, though I won't be > > having much left to spare for any more replies on this topic. As I > > said I don't like debates. > > > > PS: By the way, who ever said "Rice" or "Bush" or "Bill" are more > > human names than Night or Hawk :-) > > The point I'm trying to make is that you need to sign your posts, it > doesn't matter what you decide, you can't just go adopt a silly name > and then think people will be happy to address you by it. > > Now if you want to be addressed by Col, Night, Hawk, make your choice. > > If you don't make a choice, then it'll be a that rude bloke who gets > ignored because he can't be bother engaging in basic way that most > humans find polite. > > > > Robert. > ___ > osg-users mailing list > osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org > http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org > ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
While I understand you don't consider them co-workers you should at least see Robert and others as business associates or service providers and the next time you want their help perhaps you can send them a large cheque or money order for their time, services and expertise. A lot of folks give up a lot of their precious time for FREE to all of us and if the largest contributor to the OSG asks for a very simple act of courtesy then the least we can do is honour this simple request __ Gordon Tomlinson "Self defence is not a function of learning tricks but is a function of how quickly and intensely one can arouse one's instinct for survival" -Master Tambo Tetsura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Night Hawk Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 5:10 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names Hello Andy, When I become a "co-worker" of OSG, I would surely let my real name be known. Being a user of it I don't have that luxury (at least not on osg-users list). Excuse me if it hurts anyone. With apologies. --- On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Somerville, Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Coleman, (Cole?) > > I think the point is that he does have the option of not replying, but out of professional courtesy he replies anyways. He would much rather request that others offer professionalism than not reply. > > As the leader of this project he does all of us a service, and has offered professionalism himself with his level of support to the community. In return he asks that we be professional as well to make his large contribution easier. > > I think it is a reasonable request, as I would venture to guess that you do not require your co-workers to refer to you as Night Hawk. The implication here is that it is out of respect for your co-workers that this is the case. On this list we are sort of like co-workers or business associates and that we might conduct ourselves in that way to claim OSG as a professional product worthy to be taken seriously by other professional organizations. > > You can certainly call yourself whatever you may, but you might consider honoring Robert's request as a token of payment in return for service that he offers with asking nothing in return but professionalism. > > Andy > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Night > Hawk > Sent: Mon 3/24/2008 4:14 PM > To: OpenSceneGraph Users > Subject: Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names > > > > Robert, > > Thank you. I don't mean to be rude, but you have the option to > ignore/not reply the mails you don't feel like answering (or hard to > find addressing). > > So, I think we can take it easy. As I said, people have good reasons > for things they do. > > Anyway, thanks for expressing your idea about names. People who have > read it and has the luxury of following it will surely follow it I > believe. > > And also thanks for the others who has chimed-in some good fun in > previous replies. It was good time reading them, though I won't be > having much left to spare for any more replies on this topic. As I > said I don't like debates. > > PS: By the way, who ever said "Rice" or "Bush" or "Bill" are more > human names than Night or Hawk :-) > > > ___ > osg-users mailing list > osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org > > http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph. > org > > ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Well said Andy __ Gordon Tomlinson Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] YIM/AIM : gordon3dBrit MSN IM : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website : www.vis-sim.com www.gordontomlinson.com __ "Self defence is not a function of learning tricks but is a function of how quickly and intensely one can arouse one's instinct for survival" -Master Tambo Tetsura -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Somerville, Andrew Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 5:00 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names Coleman, (Cole?) I think the point is that he does have the option of not replying, but out of professional courtesy he replies anyways. He would much rather request that others offer professionalism than not reply. As the leader of this project he does all of us a service, and has offered professionalism himself with his level of support to the community. In return he asks that we be professional as well to make his large contribution easier. I think it is a reasonable request, as I would venture to guess that you do not require your co-workers to refer to you as Night Hawk. The implication here is that it is out of respect for your co-workers that this is the case. On this list we are sort of like co-workers or business associates and that we might conduct ourselves in that way to claim OSG as a professional product worthy to be taken seriously by other professional organizations. You can certainly call yourself whatever you may, but you might consider honoring Robert's request as a token of payment in return for service that he offers with asking nothing in return but professionalism. Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Night Hawk Sent: Mon 3/24/2008 4:14 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names Robert, Thank you. I don't mean to be rude, but you have the option to ignore/not reply the mails you don't feel like answering (or hard to find addressing). So, I think we can take it easy. As I said, people have good reasons for things they do. Anyway, thanks for expressing your idea about names. People who have read it and has the luxury of following it will surely follow it I believe. And also thanks for the others who has chimed-in some good fun in previous replies. It was good time reading them, though I won't be having much left to spare for any more replies on this topic. As I said I don't like debates. PS: By the way, who ever said "Rice" or "Bush" or "Bill" are more human names than Night or Hawk :-) ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Night Hawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thank you. I don't mean to be rude, but you have the option to > ignore/not reply the mails you don't feel like answering (or hard to > find addressing). Well ignoring mails that I find rude is an option. It's not one I want to take, this is why I raise this topic, to fix it. Otherwise I will just start ignoring posts. Then you don't get the support your want. > So, I think we can take it easy. As I said, people have good reasons > for things they do. People also often don't they are offending people unless its pointed out. > And also thanks for the others who has chimed-in some good fun in > previous replies. It was good time reading them, though I won't be > having much left to spare for any more replies on this topic. As I > said I don't like debates. > > PS: By the way, who ever said "Rice" or "Bush" or "Bill" are more > human names than Night or Hawk :-) The point I'm trying to make is that you need to sign your posts, it doesn't matter what you decide, you can't just go adopt a silly name and then think people will be happy to address you by it. Now if you want to be addressed by Col, Night, Hawk, make your choice. If you don't make a choice, then it'll be a that rude bloke who gets ignored because he can't be bother engaging in basic way that most humans find polite. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Hello Andy, When I become a "co-worker" of OSG, I would surely let my real name be known. Being a user of it I don't have that luxury (at least not on osg-users list). Excuse me if it hurts anyone. With apologies. --- On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 2:30 AM, Somerville, Andrew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Coleman, (Cole?) > > I think the point is that he does have the option of not replying, but out > of professional courtesy he replies anyways. He would much rather request > that others offer professionalism than not reply. > > As the leader of this project he does all of us a service, and has offered > professionalism himself with his level of support to the community. In return > he asks that we be professional as well to make his large contribution easier. > > I think it is a reasonable request, as I would venture to guess that you do > not require your co-workers to refer to you as Night Hawk. The implication > here is that it is out of respect for your co-workers that this is the case. > On this list we are sort of like co-workers or business associates and that > we might conduct ourselves in that way to claim OSG as a professional product > worthy to be taken seriously by other professional organizations. > > You can certainly call yourself whatever you may, but you might consider > honoring Robert's request as a token of payment in return for service that he > offers with asking nothing in return but professionalism. > > Andy > > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Night Hawk > Sent: Mon 3/24/2008 4:14 PM > To: OpenSceneGraph Users > Subject: Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names > > > > Robert, > > Thank you. I don't mean to be rude, but you have the option to > ignore/not reply the mails you don't feel like answering (or hard to > find addressing). > > So, I think we can take it easy. As I said, people have good reasons > for things they do. > > Anyway, thanks for expressing your idea about names. People who have > read it and has the luxury of following it will surely follow it I > believe. > > And also thanks for the others who has chimed-in some good fun in > previous replies. It was good time reading them, though I won't be > having much left to spare for any more replies on this topic. As I > said I don't like debates. > > PS: By the way, who ever said "Rice" or "Bush" or "Bill" are more > human names than Night or Hawk :-) > > > ___ > osg-users mailing list > osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org > http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org > > ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Hi Lief, The point is *I* find it obnoxious. I have to handle shuldder more support than anyone else in this community. I serve this role primarily out of goodwill. I'm not some automaton. I am human being that enjoys communication with follow human being, but it's only enjoyable when its done on an equitable basis. If people want anonymity then that's OK, but you still have to engage in a way that is sensible and respectful. If you are going to make up a handle or name then use it in the way you wish to be addressed, so others know at least who is saying what and who to address. If you follow the list closely you'll occasional see me ask for clarification with some names that I lack the experience to know how to guess at how to address at some one. This is out of respect - I want to show due respect. I know I occassionaly get things wrong, and aware that this could be offensive to some, I understand this and don't take this likely. This is two way process, and some people make it much harder, which is why I bring up this topic. I'm fed up with having to second guess what on earth to make of some of this obtuse, childish handles. Robert. On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Leif Delgass <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Robert Osfield > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi All, > > > > It might be a undersirable character trait in myself but I find it > > unpleasant trying to hold email conversations with posters who don't > > use a proper name. I can't help myself, I find it immature at best, > > and my own personal reaction is the word "Twat" jumps in my head every > > time I see an email with sad attempt at a "cool" name and no actual > > proper name signed. Perhaps you might think it gives you a bit more > > street cred, but in reality it just does the exact opposite. > > > > So please, please make the effort, being curtious and honest is part > > of what makes a community like this healthy and vibrant. Sign your > > name, even if it's just your first name. > > > > Robert Osfield > > Robert, > > I respectfully disagree. I can understand why you would want to know > the real name of code contributors, but what is the harm in respecting > users' desire for anonymity in casual exchanges on the list? There > are plenty of reasons to be cautious about revealing personal > information (even a first name) on a public mailing list. This is > under the IRC section of the netiquette RFC, but I think it is > relevant here: > > - Don't badger other users for personal information such as sex, age, > or location. After you have built an acquaintance with another user, > these questions may be more appropriate, but many people > hesitate to give this information to people with whom they are > not familiar. > > - If a user is using a nickname alias or pseudonym, respect that > user's desire for anonymity. Even if you and that person are > close friends, it is more courteous to use his nickname. Do > not use that person's real name online without permission. > > http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html > > Regards, > > [2 Clicks and a Pop] > > > ___ > osg-users mailing list > osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org > http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org > ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Coleman, (Cole?) I think the point is that he does have the option of not replying, but out of professional courtesy he replies anyways. He would much rather request that others offer professionalism than not reply. As the leader of this project he does all of us a service, and has offered professionalism himself with his level of support to the community. In return he asks that we be professional as well to make his large contribution easier. I think it is a reasonable request, as I would venture to guess that you do not require your co-workers to refer to you as Night Hawk. The implication here is that it is out of respect for your co-workers that this is the case. On this list we are sort of like co-workers or business associates and that we might conduct ourselves in that way to claim OSG as a professional product worthy to be taken seriously by other professional organizations. You can certainly call yourself whatever you may, but you might consider honoring Robert's request as a token of payment in return for service that he offers with asking nothing in return but professionalism. Andy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Night Hawk Sent: Mon 3/24/2008 4:14 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names Robert, Thank you. I don't mean to be rude, but you have the option to ignore/not reply the mails you don't feel like answering (or hard to find addressing). So, I think we can take it easy. As I said, people have good reasons for things they do. Anyway, thanks for expressing your idea about names. People who have read it and has the luxury of following it will surely follow it I believe. And also thanks for the others who has chimed-in some good fun in previous replies. It was good time reading them, though I won't be having much left to spare for any more replies on this topic. As I said I don't like debates. PS: By the way, who ever said "Rice" or "Bush" or "Bill" are more human names than Night or Hawk :-) <>___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Robert Osfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > It might be a undersirable character trait in myself but I find it > unpleasant trying to hold email conversations with posters who don't > use a proper name. I can't help myself, I find it immature at best, > and my own personal reaction is the word "Twat" jumps in my head every > time I see an email with sad attempt at a "cool" name and no actual > proper name signed. Perhaps you might think it gives you a bit more > street cred, but in reality it just does the exact opposite. > > So please, please make the effort, being curtious and honest is part > of what makes a community like this healthy and vibrant. Sign your > name, even if it's just your first name. > > Robert Osfield Robert, I respectfully disagree. I can understand why you would want to know the real name of code contributors, but what is the harm in respecting users' desire for anonymity in casual exchanges on the list? There are plenty of reasons to be cautious about revealing personal information (even a first name) on a public mailing list. This is under the IRC section of the netiquette RFC, but I think it is relevant here: - Don't badger other users for personal information such as sex, age, or location. After you have built an acquaintance with another user, these questions may be more appropriate, but many people hesitate to give this information to people with whom they are not familiar. - If a user is using a nickname alias or pseudonym, respect that user's desire for anonymity. Even if you and that person are close friends, it is more courteous to use his nickname. Do not use that person's real name online without permission. http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html Regards, [2 Clicks and a Pop] ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Robert, Thank you. I don't mean to be rude, but you have the option to ignore/not reply the mails you don't feel like answering (or hard to find addressing). So, I think we can take it easy. As I said, people have good reasons for things they do. Anyway, thanks for expressing your idea about names. People who have read it and has the luxury of following it will surely follow it I believe. And also thanks for the others who has chimed-in some good fun in previous replies. It was good time reading them, though I won't be having much left to spare for any more replies on this topic. As I said I don't like debates. PS: By the way, who ever said "Rice" or "Bush" or "Bill" are more human names than Night or Hawk :-) On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:25 AM, Robert Osfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Coleman, > > > On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Night Hawk > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I can understand your point and don't want to start a debate on it, > > but just want to say that those who use the "cool names" has a good > > reason for doing so (at-least some, if not all, of us). More > > professional reasons than a just "cool name" attempt. > > A professional reason for not showing common curtesy? > > As I said a first name is perfectly fine, but no name at all is not, > its just disrespectful. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this > way. > > I personally have to exchange emails with dozens of people each day, I > try to be polite and helpful. I also have to jump between many > different threads and this requires one to attach different bits of > information/discussion to different people. This is hard trick to do > already, but made much harder when people don't even use standard > curtesy of providing a proper name to address them by. > > So... in my book not providing at least a first name is both rude and > awkward, and thoroughly unprofessional. > > Robert. > > > ___ > osg-users mailing list > osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org > http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org > ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Hi Coleman, On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 6:39 PM, Night Hawk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I can understand your point and don't want to start a debate on it, > but just want to say that those who use the "cool names" has a good > reason for doing so (at-least some, if not all, of us). More > professional reasons than a just "cool name" attempt. A professional reason for not showing common curtesy? As I said a first name is perfectly fine, but no name at all is not, its just disrespectful. I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels this way. I personally have to exchange emails with dozens of people each day, I try to be polite and helpful. I also have to jump between many different threads and this requires one to attach different bits of information/discussion to different people. This is hard trick to do already, but made much harder when people don't even use standard curtesy of providing a proper name to address them by. So... in my book not providing at least a first name is both rude and awkward, and thoroughly unprofessional. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
> Paul Martz = osgOracle Crap! I was hoping my new name could be "GrfX XcelR8R d00d" :-) -Paul ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Mew= osgStud Robert = osgPro Paul Martz = osgOracle Your friend osgTwat77 Sorry could not resist :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Night Hawk Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 2:39 PM To: OpenSceneGraph Users Subject: Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names Hi Robert, I can understand your point and don't want to start a debate on it, but just want to say that those who use the "cool names" has a good reason for doing so (at-least some, if not all, of us). More professional reasons than a just "cool name" attempt. Expecting cooperation. Can't say more. Thanks. On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Robert Osfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > It might be a undersirable character trait in myself but I find it > unpleasant trying to hold email conversations with posters who don't > use a proper name. I can't help myself, I find it immature at best, > and my own personal reaction is the word "Twat" jumps in my head every > time I see an email with sad attempt at a "cool" name and no actual > proper name signed. Perhaps you might think it gives you a bit more > street cred, but in reality it just does the exact opposite. > > So please, please make the effort, being curtious and honest is part > of what makes a community like this healthy and vibrant. Sign your > name, even if it's just your first name. > > Robert Osfield > ___ > osg-users mailing list > osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org > > http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph. > org > ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
Re: [osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Hi Robert, I can understand your point and don't want to start a debate on it, but just want to say that those who use the "cool names" has a good reason for doing so (at-least some, if not all, of us). More professional reasons than a just "cool name" attempt. Expecting cooperation. Can't say more. Thanks. On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Robert Osfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > It might be a undersirable character trait in myself but I find it > unpleasant trying to hold email conversations with posters who don't > use a proper name. I can't help myself, I find it immature at best, > and my own personal reaction is the word "Twat" jumps in my head every > time I see an email with sad attempt at a "cool" name and no actual > proper name signed. Perhaps you might think it gives you a bit more > street cred, but in reality it just does the exact opposite. > > So please, please make the effort, being curtious and honest is part > of what makes a community like this healthy and vibrant. Sign your > name, even if it's just your first name. > > Robert Osfield > ___ > osg-users mailing list > osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org > http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org > ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
[osg-users] Appeal for use of human names
Hi All, It might be a undersirable character trait in myself but I find it unpleasant trying to hold email conversations with posters who don't use a proper name. I can't help myself, I find it immature at best, and my own personal reaction is the word "Twat" jumps in my head every time I see an email with sad attempt at a "cool" name and no actual proper name signed. Perhaps you might think it gives you a bit more street cred, but in reality it just does the exact opposite. So please, please make the effort, being curtious and honest is part of what makes a community like this healthy and vibrant. Sign your name, even if it's just your first name. Robert Osfield ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@lists.openscenegraph.org http://lists.openscenegraph.org/listinfo.cgi/osg-users-openscenegraph.org
