Re: [osg-users] Windows Vista
Well i installed latest ATI driver (ATI vendor's) and suddenly the graphics works as well, all OSG application work now without any restriction. /adegli 2007/2/24, Jan Ciger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: On Saturday 24 February 2007, Robert Osfield wrote: > This all makes me curious how much of hit OSX has with its 3D window > manager, and what we might see with new Linux 3D window managers. I have tried to run Compiz and Beryl and OSG worked just fine with Nvidia drivers. I didn't benchmark too much, but the performance was similar. With ATI there are issues, but that is more likely due to the buggy drivers. Regarding functionality there could be issues with some extensions if you are using the Xgl proxy X server. That one is based on Mesa and is exposing only standard APIs, thus no Nvidia/ATI proprietary extensions. If you are running directly using AIGLX with Nvidia drivers there should be no problem. Anyhow, unlike with Vista, you can always run your application *without* the 3D window manager. Jan -- Jan Ciger GPG public key: http://www.keyserver.net/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/
Re: [osg-users] Windows Vista
On Saturday 24 February 2007, Robert Osfield wrote: > This all makes me curious how much of hit OSX has with its 3D window > manager, and what we might see with new Linux 3D window managers. I have tried to run Compiz and Beryl and OSG worked just fine with Nvidia drivers. I didn't benchmark too much, but the performance was similar. With ATI there are issues, but that is more likely due to the buggy drivers. Regarding functionality there could be issues with some extensions if you are using the Xgl proxy X server. That one is based on Mesa and is exposing only standard APIs, thus no Nvidia/ATI proprietary extensions. If you are running directly using AIGLX with Nvidia drivers there should be no problem. Anyhow, unlike with Vista, you can always run your application *without* the 3D window manager. Jan -- Jan Ciger GPG public key: http://www.keyserver.net/ pgpmGPoFglnei.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/
Re: [osg-users] Windows Vista
Hi All, As part of the latest OpenGL newletter there is an article about OpenGL oin MS Vista: http://www.opengl.org/pipeline/article/vol003_7/ Upshot seems to be that OpenGL will work fine, but expect performance to be down, and memory to be in shorter supply as the window manager gobbles up extra memory. There are few items that break certain apps too. This all makes me curious how much of hit OSX has with its 3D window manager, and what we might see with new Linux 3D window managers. Robert. ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/
Re: [osg-users] Windows Vista
Hi,
I had problems with Vistan on a MacBook pro, svn compiled fine with
VS2005(sp1 + patch), but when the viewer was realized, all I got was a
black screen, and the machine froze (looks like the graphics froze).
I blame ATI and their drivers (using the latest mobility drivers from
the ati site)
hardware:
Intel Core Duo
ati X1600 mobile 128mb
1.5 Gb ram
Anybody has any experience with vista & ati ?
Cheers
Mihai
Adrian Egli wrote:
Hi,
(1) Windows Vista and OSG works, after we installed the latest graphic
driver, everything works like on an other windows (xp) machine.
(2) everybody in my country talk about the engery troubles and clime
change we will go in in the next few years. why should the world go
using vista? i don't know, or
is the microsoft company powered by the engery like 2u bush. :-)
Anders do you have some benchmark showing exactly the issue 20% more
energy conumption using vista compared to xp. so may we can write some
nice things, i guess there will be some politics being interested in
such a idee, in switzerland the will add some extra tax / penalties
for huge energy consumption cars, machnines and so on.
2007/2/21, Anders Backman <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>:
Well, if 20% of all windowsXP users switch to vista today, the CPU
energy consumption (even on idle) will go up quite a lot (my
laptop is averaging on 20% doing nothing), the fan is running
constantly, its always warm. So I would say it consumes about
twice as much energy...
This would also make the energyconsumption go up quite a bit.
Not what you would like to see for the world, right?
People will by newer faster machine to cope with VISTA, which will
make the energy consumption go up even higher.
Didn't Bill look at "An Inconvenient Truth"?
Funny article regarding updating to Vista:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/
<http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/>
/Anders
On 2/21/07, *Gerrick Bivins* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Our app (VE-Suite) has been running on Vista as usual. We've
installed it on various configs such as a laptop with a 6800
Go card and even a lowly p4 with fx 5200. No problems. The
5200 is using driver 97.46 (which is the only one that
supports the 5200) and the lappy is using the latest and
greatest. biv
On 2/21/07, *Gordon Tomlinson* < [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
OpenGL Sucks on Vista right now and direct X is not
much better
Thats what we have found any way, Nvidia is hurting on
Vista at this time.
As a company we do see Vista a a platform right now, our
customer base wont
touch it for at least 2 years
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hi
i have a windows vista since yesterday, i will test osg on
it as soon as possible, what are others expirience ?
/Adegli
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Re: [osg-users] Windows Vista
Well, and it seems like service pack 2 is always the magic number... -Paul Paul Sherman wrote: Two years is what we decided as well for the general adoption period (and probably 4 or 5 for government agencies). The (not so funny) quip I am using right now is that "I am going to wait for the lawsuits to die down." - Paul On Wednesday 21 February 2007 05:13, Gordon Tomlinson wrote: OpenGL Sucks on Vista right now and direct X is not much better Thats what we have found any way, Nvidia is hurting on Vista at this time. As a company we do see Vista a a platform right now, our customer base wont touch it for at least 2 years ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/
Re: [osg-users] Windows Vista
Two years is what we decided as well for the general adoption period (and probably 4 or 5 for government agencies). The (not so funny) quip I am using right now is that "I am going to wait for the lawsuits to die down." - Paul On Wednesday 21 February 2007 05:13, Gordon Tomlinson wrote: > OpenGL Sucks on Vista right now and direct X is not much better > > Thats what we have found any way, Nvidia is hurting on Vista at this time. > > As a company we do see Vista a a platform right now, our customer base wont > touch it for at least 2 years ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/
Re: [osg-users] Windows Vista
Hi, (1) Windows Vista and OSG works, after we installed the latest graphic driver, everything works like on an other windows (xp) machine. (2) everybody in my country talk about the engery troubles and clime change we will go in in the next few years. why should the world go using vista? i don't know, or is the microsoft company powered by the engery like 2u bush. :-) Anders do you have some benchmark showing exactly the issue 20% more energy conumption using vista compared to xp. so may we can write some nice things, i guess there will be some politics being interested in such a idee, in switzerland the will add some extra tax / penalties for huge energy consumption cars, machnines and so on. 2007/2/21, Anders Backman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: Well, if 20% of all windowsXP users switch to vista today, the CPU energy consumption (even on idle) will go up quite a lot (my laptop is averaging on 20% doing nothing), the fan is running constantly, its always warm. So I would say it consumes about twice as much energy... This would also make the energyconsumption go up quite a bit. Not what you would like to see for the world, right? People will by newer faster machine to cope with VISTA, which will make the energy consumption go up even higher. Didn't Bill look at "An Inconvenient Truth"? Funny article regarding updating to Vista: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/ /Anders On 2/21/07, Gerrick Bivins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our app (VE-Suite) has been running on Vista as usual. We've installed > it on various configs such as a laptop with a 6800 Go card and even a lowly > p4 with fx 5200. No problems. The 5200 is using driver 97.46 (which is > the only one that supports the 5200) and the lappy is using the latest and > greatest. biv > > > On 2/21/07, Gordon Tomlinson < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > OpenGL Sucks on Vista right now and direct X is not much better > > > > Thats what we have found any way, Nvidia is hurting on Vista at this > > time. > > > > As a company we do see Vista a a platform right now, our customer base > > wont > > touch it for at least 2 years > > > > > > __ > > * > > Gordon Tomlinson > > ** Email *: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > YIM/AIM*: Gordon3dBrit > > *MSN IM * : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Website* : www. 3dscenegraph.com > > __ > > > > > > "Self defence is not a function of learning tricks > > but is a function of how quickly and intensely one > > can arouse one's instinct for survival" > > - *Master Tambo Tetsura* > > > > > > > > -- > > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > *On Behalf Of *Adrian Egli > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:29 AM > > *To:* osg users > > *Subject:* [osg-users] Windows Vista > > > > > > hi > > > > i have a windows vista since yesterday, i will test osg on it as soon > > as possible, what are others expirience ? > > > > > > /Adegli > > > > ___ > > osg-users mailing list > > osg-users@openscenegraph.net > > http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users > > http://www.openscenegraph.org/ > > > > > ___ > osg-users mailing list > osg-users@openscenegraph.net > http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users > http://www.openscenegraph.org/ > -- Anders Backman Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HPC2N/VRlab Phone:+46 (0)90-786 9936 Umea university Cellular: +46 (0)70-392 64 67 S-901 87 UMEA SWEDEN Fax: +46 90-786 6126 http://www.cs.umu.se/~andersb <http://www.cs.umu.se/%7Eandersb> ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/
Re: [osg-users] Windows Vista
Well, if 20% of all windowsXP users switch to vista today, the CPU energy consumption (even on idle) will go up quite a lot (my laptop is averaging on 20% doing nothing), the fan is running constantly, its always warm. So I would say it consumes about twice as much energy... This would also make the energyconsumption go up quite a bit. Not what you would like to see for the world, right? People will by newer faster machine to cope with VISTA, which will make the energy consumption go up even higher. Didn't Bill look at "An Inconvenient Truth"? Funny article regarding updating to Vista: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/14/pricey_beta_bugger/ /Anders On 2/21/07, Gerrick Bivins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Our app (VE-Suite) has been running on Vista as usual. We've installed it on various configs such as a laptop with a 6800 Go card and even a lowly p4 with fx 5200. No problems. The 5200 is using driver 97.46 (which is the only one that supports the 5200) and the lappy is using the latest and greatest. biv On 2/21/07, Gordon Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OpenGL Sucks on Vista right now and direct X is not much better > > Thats what we have found any way, Nvidia is hurting on Vista at this > time. > > As a company we do see Vista a a platform right now, our customer base > wont > touch it for at least 2 years > > > __ > * > Gordon Tomlinson > ** Email *: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > YIM/AIM*: Gordon3dBrit > *MSN IM* : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Website* : www. 3dscenegraph.com > __ > > > "Self defence is not a function of learning tricks > but is a function of how quickly and intensely one > can arouse one's instinct for survival" > - *Master Tambo Tetsura* > > > > -- > *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > *On Behalf Of *Adrian Egli > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:29 AM > *To:* osg users > *Subject:* [osg-users] Windows Vista > > > hi > > i have a windows vista since yesterday, i will test osg on it as soon as > possible, what are others expirience ? > > > /Adegli > > ___ > osg-users mailing list > osg-users@openscenegraph.net > http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users > http://www.openscenegraph.org/ > ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/ -- Anders Backman Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HPC2N/VRlab Phone:+46 (0)90-786 9936 Umea university Cellular: +46 (0)70-392 64 67 S-901 87 UMEA SWEDEN Fax: +46 90-786 6126 http://www.cs.umu.se/~andersb ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/
Re: [osg-users] Windows Vista
Our app (VE-Suite) has been running on Vista as usual. We've installed it on various configs such as a laptop with a 6800 Go card and even a lowly p4 with fx 5200. No problems. The 5200 is using driver 97.46 (which is the only one that supports the 5200) and the lappy is using the latest and greatest. biv On 2/21/07, Gordon Tomlinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OpenGL Sucks on Vista right now and direct X is not much better Thats what we have found any way, Nvidia is hurting on Vista at this time. As a company we do see Vista a a platform right now, our customer base wont touch it for at least 2 years __ * Gordon Tomlinson **Email *: [EMAIL PROTECTED] YIM/AIM* : Gordon3dBrit *MSN IM*: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website* : www.3dscenegraph.com __ "Self defence is not a function of learning tricks but is a function of how quickly and intensely one can arouse one's instinct for survival" - *Master Tambo Tetsura* -- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Adrian Egli *Sent:* Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:29 AM *To:* osg users *Subject:* [osg-users] Windows Vista hi i have a windows vista since yesterday, i will test osg on it as soon as possible, what are others expirience ? /Adegli ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/ ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/
RE: [osg-users] Windows Vista
OpenGL Sucks on Vista right now and direct X is not much better Thats what we have found any way, Nvidia is hurting on Vista at this time. As a company we do see Vista a a platform right now, our customer base wont touch it for at least 2 years __ Gordon Tomlinson Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] YIM/AIM : Gordon3dBrit MSN IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website : www.3dscenegraph.com __ "Self defence is not a function of learning tricks but is a function of how quickly and intensely one can arouse one's instinct for survival" - Master Tambo Tetsura _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Egli Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:29 AM To: osg users Subject: [osg-users] Windows Vista hi i have a windows vista since yesterday, i will test osg on it as soon as possible, what are others expirience ? /Adegli ___ osg-users mailing list osg-users@openscenegraph.net http://openscenegraph.net/mailman/listinfo/osg-users http://www.openscenegraph.org/
[osg-users] Windows Vista
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