Re: [OSList] OSList bounces

[christine koehler]

Thanks Harold for taking care of this list. Obviously this is not an easy
task.

What would our community be without people  who care like you do ?

Christine

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

>  I'm not sure what's exactly triggering this issue from Raffi's emails,
> but it happened again.
>
> Yesterday 191 accounts were disabled when Raffi's email was bounced. They
> all seemed to be Google emails. I think I reinstated all those accounts. If
> you are getting this message - no need to do anything. Alas, if you're not,
> ... not much I say here will make any difference.
>
> But Raffi emailed the list again today. Another festival of bounces in my
> inbox. This time, the google/gmail accounts seemed to be ok. But many
> Yahoo, MSN, Sympatico, Comcast and other accounts bounced Raffi's email -
> and the OSList disabled their accounts. Again, one by one, I re-enabled
> them today. If you see this email - no action needed.
>
> The email companies like Google, Yahoo, etc. are implementing something
> called DMARC to prevent spam. Gory details:
> http://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690
>
> Apparently this is not an easy thing to fix. More gory details.
> http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/DMARC. For now - I have changed Raffi's
> account so I have to moderate anything he sends. I'm trying another
> experiment where the From field is changed - so this note doesn't say From
> Harold in your email program. I don't think this is acceptable - but I'm
> testing it.
>
> It looks like there is a better solution in a newer version of the
> software we are using for the OSList. I'll see if I can get our web hosting
> company to deploy that software - but it might take a while.
>
> Alas, I wish I could guarantee no further glitches. I'll keep you updated.
>
> Regards,
> Harold
>
>
> --
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> twitter: @hajush 
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Re: [OSList] OSList bounces

[gerardo de luzenberger via OSList]

YES Harold, you are doing a precious work for all of us
thank you
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2014-09-24 22:27 GMT+02:00 karolina iwa via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>:

> thank you harold for your time, patience and persistence.
> it is very appreciated!
>
> karolina.
>
> 
>
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> On 24 Sep 2014, at 22:22, Koos de Heer via OSList wrote:
>
> Hi Harold,
>
> Thank you so much for all the work you are putting into this. In my inbox,
> the mail you sent was listed as coming from "Harold Shinsato via OSList"
> which I think is by all means acceptable.
>
> Koos
>
> Op 24 sep. 2014 om 22:06 heeft Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> het volgende geschreven:
>
> I'm not sure what's exactly triggering this issue from Raffi's emails, but
> it happened again.
>
> Yesterday 191 accounts were disabled when Raffi's email was bounced. They
> all seemed to be Google emails. I think I reinstated all those accounts. If
> you are getting this message - no need to do anything. Alas, if you're not,
> ... not much I say here will make any difference.
>
> But Raffi emailed the list again today. Another festival of bounces in my
> inbox. This time, the google/gmail accounts seemed to be ok. But many
> Yahoo, MSN, Sympatico, Comcast and other accounts bounced Raffi's email -
> and the OSList disabled their accounts. Again, one by one, I re-enabled
> them today. If you see this email - no action needed.
>
> The email companies like Google, Yahoo, etc. are implementing something
> called DMARC to prevent spam. Gory details:
> http://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690
>
> Apparently this is not an easy thing to fix. More gory details.
> http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/DMARC. For now - I have changed Raffi's
> account so I have to moderate anything he sends. I'm trying another
> experiment where the From field is changed - so this note doesn't say From
> Harold in your email program. I don't think this is acceptable - but I'm
> testing it.
>
> It looks like there is a better solution in a newer version of the
> software we are using for the OSList. I'll see if I can get our web hosting
> company to deploy that software - but it might take a while.
>
> Alas, I wish I could guarantee no further glitches. I'll keep you updated.
>
> Regards,
> Harold
>
>
> --
> Harold Shinsato
> har...@shinsato.com
> http://shinsato.com
> twitter: @hajush 
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Re: [OSList] OSList bounces

[Gail West via OSList]

How frustrating to have someone dare to attempt to shut down our space!  A
very deep bow to you, Harold, for keeping our life-line open [?]

Gail

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 3:29 PM, christine koehler via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Thanks Harold for taking care of this list. Obviously this is not an easy
> task.
>
> What would our community be without people  who care like you do ?
>
> Christine
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:06 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>>  I'm not sure what's exactly triggering this issue from Raffi's emails,
>> but it happened again.
>>
>> Yesterday 191 accounts were disabled when Raffi's email was bounced. They
>> all seemed to be Google emails. I think I reinstated all those accounts. If
>> you are getting this message - no need to do anything. Alas, if you're not,
>> ... not much I say here will make any difference.
>>
>> But Raffi emailed the list again today. Another festival of bounces in my
>> inbox. This time, the google/gmail accounts seemed to be ok. But many
>> Yahoo, MSN, Sympatico, Comcast and other accounts bounced Raffi's email -
>> and the OSList disabled their accounts. Again, one by one, I re-enabled
>> them today. If you see this email - no action needed.
>>
>> The email companies like Google, Yahoo, etc. are implementing something
>> called DMARC to prevent spam. Gory details:
>> http://support.google.com/mail/answer/2451690
>>
>> Apparently this is not an easy thing to fix. More gory details.
>> http://wiki.list.org/display/DEV/DMARC. For now - I have changed Raffi's
>> account so I have to moderate anything he sends. I'm trying another
>> experiment where the From field is changed - so this note doesn't say From
>> Harold in your email program. I don't think this is acceptable - but I'm
>> testing it.
>>
>> It looks like there is a better solution in a newer version of the
>> software we are using for the OSList. I'll see if I can get our web hosting
>> company to deploy that software - but it might take a while.
>>
>> Alas, I wish I could guarantee no further glitches. I'll keep you updated.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Harold
>>
>>
>> --
>> Harold Shinsato
>> har...@shinsato.com
>> http://shinsato.com
>> twitter: @hajush 
>>
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[OSList] Authority Distribution in Open Space

[Daniel Mezick via OSList]

Greetings to All,

For the past several years I have attended conferences of the Group 
Relations community, and encouraged others to do the same. I've studied 
their literature, and harvested some important learning as a result. One 
of the things I have come to understand a little bit better is the role 
of "authority dynamics" in self-organizing social systems.


Link:
www.akriceinstitute.org

Over the past several years I've been using Open Space with intent to 
improve the results of my work in helping companies implement Agile 
ideas in their organizations. We do an initial Open Space, then the 
folks get about 3 months to play with Agile (we carefully use the word 
"experimentation" with management,) then we do another Open Space after 
that, to inspect what just happened across the enterprise. The initial 
and subsequent Open Space events form a "safe" container or field in 
which the members can /learn/... as they explore how to /improve/ 
together by /experimenting/ with new practices, and see if they actually 
work. I call the process Open Agile Adoption.


Link:
OpenAgileAdoption.com

This seems to work pretty good. It seems to "take the air out of" most 
of the fear, most of the anxiety and most of the worry that is created. 
The key aspect is /consent/: absolutely no one is forced to do anything 
they are unwilling to do. No one is /coerced/ to /comply/. Everyone is 
instead respectfully /invited/ to help /write/ the story, and be a 
/character/ in the story...of the contemplated process change. Open 
Agile Adoption encourages a spirit of experimentation and play.


The spirit of Open Space is the spirit of freedom. Isn't it? In the OST 
community, we discuss and talk a lot about self-organization, 
self-management and self-governance. The Agile community also talks 
about these ideas a lot.


So I have some questions. What is really going on during 
self-organization in a social system? What are the steps? What 
information is being sent and received? From whom, and by whom? Is the 
information about /authority/ important? How important? Can a social 
system self organize without regard to who has the right to do what 
work? /How do decisions that affect others get made in a self-organizing 
system?/


Who decides about /who decides/? How important is the process of 
/authorization/ in a self-organizing system? Is self-organization in 
large part the process of dynamic authorization (and /de-authorization/) 
in real time?


What /is /authorization? Can self-organization occur without the sending 
and receiving of authorization data by and between the members?


Is Bruce Tuckman's forming/storming/performing/adjourning actually 
decomposing the /dynamics of authorization/ inside a social system?


The essay below attempts to answer some of these difficult questions. 
I'd love your thoughts on it. Will you give it a look?



Essay: Authority Distribution in Open Space
http://newtechusa.net/agile/authority-distribution-in-open-space/



Kind Regards,
Daniel

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New Technology Solutions Inc.

(203) 915 7248 (cell)

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. Twitter .


Examine my new book:The Culture Game 
: Tools for the 
Agile Manager.


Explore Agile Team Training 
 and Coaching. 



Explore the Agile Boston Community.

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Re: [OSList] Authority Distribution in Open Space

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

Daniel... You really did it! I think. Your language comes from a place I
don't know... which is to say that I probably wouldn't say what you say in
the way that you do (duh). BUT when I run my "translator" it comes out
sounding pretty good! So... I can't help with the questions you have raised.
Actually I think you are doing pretty well on your own, and (hopefully) will
incite others to a similarly riotous performance. Thanks!

 

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From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of
Daniel Mezick via OSList
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 9:39 AM
To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
Subject: [OSList] Authority Distribution in Open Space

 

Greetings to All, 

For the past several years I have attended conferences of the Group
Relations community, and encouraged others to do the same. I've studied
their literature, and harvested some important learning as a result. One of
the things I have come to understand a little bit better is the role of
"authority dynamics" in self-organizing social systems.

Link:
www.akriceinstitute.org

Over the past several years I've been using Open Space with intent to
improve the results of my work in helping companies implement Agile ideas in
their organizations. We do an initial Open Space, then the folks get about 3
months to play with Agile (we carefully use the word "experimentation" with
management,) then we do another Open Space after that, to inspect what just
happened across the enterprise. The initial and subsequent Open Space events
form a "safe" container or field in which the members can learn... as they
explore how to improve together by experimenting with new practices, and see
if they actually work. I call the process Open Agile Adoption. 

Link:
OpenAgileAdoption.com

This seems to work pretty good. It seems to "take the air out of" most of
the fear, most of the anxiety and most of the worry that is created. The key
aspect is consent: absolutely no one is forced to do anything they are
unwilling to do. No one is coerced to comply. Everyone is instead
respectfully invited to help write the story, and be a character in the
story...of the contemplated process change. Open Agile Adoption encourages a
spirit of experimentation and play. 

The spirit of Open Space is the spirit of freedom. Isn't it? In the OST
community, we discuss and talk a lot about self-organization,
self-management and self-governance. The Agile community also talks about
these ideas a lot. 

So I have some questions. What is really going on during self-organization
in a social system? What are the steps? What information is being sent and
received? From whom, and by whom? Is the information about authority
important? How important? Can a social system self organize without regard
to who has the right to do what work? How do decisions that affect others
get made in a self-organizing system? 

Who decides about who decides? How important is the process of authorization
in a self-organizing system? Is self-organization in large part the process
of dynamic authorization (and de-authorization) in real time?

What is authorization? Can self-organization occur without the sending and
receiving of authorization data by and between the members?

Is Bruce Tuckman's forming/storming/performing/adjourning actually
decomposing the dynamics of authorization inside a social system?

The essay below attempts to answer some of these difficult questions. I'd
love your thoughts on it. Will you give it a look?


Essay: Authority Distribution in Open Space
http://newtechusa.net/agile/authority-distribution-in-open-space/



Kind Regards,
Daniel

-- 



Daniel Mezick, President

New Technology Solutions Inc.

(203) 915 7248 (cell)

Bio  .  
Blog.   Twitter. 

Examine my new book:   
The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager.

Explore Agile Team  
Training and  
Coaching.

Explore the   Agile Boston Community.


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[OSList] Tool for virtual marketplace?

[Agustin Villena via OSList]

Hi

We are tryibg to organize our first online OpenSpace for our agile
community in Chile.

We are starting organizing a virtual marketplace, where proponents could
post their themes and explain them to interested people before the online
OpenSpace.

Is there any tool that could serve to do that?

Greetings from Chile
Agustin
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[OSList] Stammtisch at 7pm today in Berlin

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear List,

any and all of you that just happen to be in Berlin, join us for an 
extraordinary Stammtisch here

http://kreuzberger-weltlaterne.de/


Among the guests will be Jasmina who convened the WOSonOS in Belgrade 
last week and at least two colleagues from Poland who are on the 
Planning Team for next years WOSonOS in Krakow.


We start gathering at 7pm.
As always, whoever comes is the right people and any issue anyone raises...

Greetings from Berlin
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