[OSList] Critical Testing
There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora’s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of „participatory processes“ and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles … “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!”… democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. … It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
I like your description of Open Space being a way It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset. Hence, the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name. (Lao Tzu) Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear Chuni Li From: John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To: Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers John BaxterCocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au | CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet·ing ˈmēdiNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or committee, for discussion or entertainment. the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More power lunch, power breakfast; informal get-together he stood up to address the meeting a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship. 2. a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement. he intrigued her on their first meeting synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio. Blog. Twitter. Examine my new book: The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching. Explore the Agile Boston Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Critical Testing
Hi Kári, Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting! Daniel On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, Kári Gunnarsson via OSList wrote: There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora's Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of participatory processes and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles ... Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!... democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. ... It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book:The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS is! :-) however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience, about what OS can *do*: to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about the same thing. So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* meetings to happen -- the kind of meeting, that people *want* to show up for! *Rosa Zubizarreta* *Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com http://www.diapraxis.com/* On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I like your description of Open Space being a way It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset. Hence, the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name. (Lao Tzu) Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear Chuni Li -- *From:* John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *To:* Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com http://cocreateadl.com/ 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet·ing ˈmēdiNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit* *t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.* *the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting* *synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More* *power lunch, power breakfast;* *informal get-together* *he stood up to address the meeting* *a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.* *2.* *a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.* *he intrigued her on their first meeting* *synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More* Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush
Re: [OSList] Critical Testing
Hi Daniel You are welcome. My tiered English was not at it best in the first post, but I hope the spellchecker managed to make my writing readable. Well there is always the purpose of the occasion and how it plays out. I would now be interested how different participatory processes work for individuals and compare it to Belbin team roles or the personality psychology of the five scales: Cautious-inventive; Organized-careless; Energetic-reserved; Analytical-compassionate; and Confident-nervous. But what to measure for is of-course up to the purpose of our survey. What would be our next step in this topic offering. In openness, Kári the group coach On 20 November 2014 14:06, Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Kári, Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting! Daniel On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, Kári Gunnarsson via OSList wrote: There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora’s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of „participatory processes“ and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles … “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!”… democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. … It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community.
Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
I would say that open space is a themed meeting super-framework. Where people have meetings (with there chosen sub-framework) on topics in connection to our themed and use our common super-framework to organize the meetings and there outcomes. In openness, Kári the group coach On 20 November 2014 20:59, Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS is! :-) however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience, about what OS can *do*: to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about the same thing. So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* meetings to happen -- the kind of meeting, that people *want* to show up for! *Rosa Zubizarreta* *Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com http://www.diapraxis.com/* On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I like your description of Open Space being a way It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset. Hence, the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name. (Lao Tzu) Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear Chuni Li -- *From:* John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *To:* Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com http://cocreateadl.com/ 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet·ing ˈmēdiNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit**t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.* *the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting* *synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More* *power lunch, power breakfast;* *informal get-together* *he stood up to address the meeting* *a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.* *2.* *a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.* *he intrigued her on their first meeting* *synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More* Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community.
Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 45, Issue 16
/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/Community. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141119/301d3e30/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:52:57 +1030 From: John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To: Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com,World wide Open Space Technology email listoslist@lists.openspacetech.org Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? Message-ID: CAJpg6=TMcW7Z7=C7D1PuFE=3_y3-tu1vhabublgf5hyr_zc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com 0405 447 829 ? | ? @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet?ing ?m?diNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit* *t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.* *the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting* *synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More* *power lunch, power breakfast;* *informal get-together* *he stood up to address the meeting* *a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.* *2.* *a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.* *he intrigued her on their first meeting* *synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More* Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141120
Re: [OSList] Critical Testing
Hi Kari I like your intent, but I hear you when you say you fear it may be far too difficult. Do you have any thoughts on viable first steps? (Beyond the immediate step of sharing intent to see what comes of it!) I am thinking of what in startup language is 'minimum viable product'. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Kári Gunnarsson oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora’s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of „participatory processes“ and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles … “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!”… democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. … It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
[OSList] Critical Testing
There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora’s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of „participatory processes“ and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles … “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!”… democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. … It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
I like your description of Open Space being a way It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset. Hence, the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name. (Lao Tzu) Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear Chuni Li From: John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To: Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers John BaxterCocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au | CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet·ing ˈmēdiNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or committee, for discussion or entertainment. the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More power lunch, power breakfast; informal get-together he stood up to address the meeting a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship. 2. a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement. he intrigued her on their first meeting synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio. Blog. Twitter. Examine my new book: The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching. Explore the Agile Boston Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Critical Testing
Hi Kári, Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting! Daniel On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, Kári Gunnarsson via OSList wrote: There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora's Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of participatory processes and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles ... Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!... democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. ... It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book:The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS is! :-) however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience, about what OS can *do*: to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about the same thing. So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* meetings to happen -- the kind of meeting, that people *want* to show up for! *Rosa Zubizarreta* *Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com http://www.diapraxis.com/* On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I like your description of Open Space being a way It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset. Hence, the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name. (Lao Tzu) Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear Chuni Li -- *From:* John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *To:* Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com http://cocreateadl.com/ 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet·ing ˈmēdiNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit* *t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.* *the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting* *synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More* *power lunch, power breakfast;* *informal get-together* *he stood up to address the meeting* *a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.* *2.* *a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.* *he intrigued her on their first meeting* *synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More* Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush
Re: [OSList] Critical Testing
Hi Daniel You are welcome. My tiered English was not at it best in the first post, but I hope the spellchecker managed to make my writing readable. Well there is always the purpose of the occasion and how it plays out. I would now be interested how different participatory processes work for individuals and compare it to Belbin team roles or the personality psychology of the five scales: Cautious-inventive; Organized-careless; Energetic-reserved; Analytical-compassionate; and Confident-nervous. But what to measure for is of-course up to the purpose of our survey. What would be our next step in this topic offering. In openness, Kári the group coach On 20 November 2014 14:06, Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Kári, Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting! Daniel On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, Kári Gunnarsson via OSList wrote: There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora’s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of „participatory processes“ and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles … “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!”… democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. … It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community.
Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
I would say that open space is a themed meeting super-framework. Where people have meetings (with there chosen sub-framework) on topics in connection to our themed and use our common super-framework to organize the meetings and there outcomes. In openness, Kári the group coach On 20 November 2014 20:59, Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS is! :-) however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience, about what OS can *do*: to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about the same thing. So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* meetings to happen -- the kind of meeting, that people *want* to show up for! *Rosa Zubizarreta* *Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com http://www.diapraxis.com/* On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I like your description of Open Space being a way It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset. Hence, the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name. (Lao Tzu) Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear Chuni Li -- *From:* John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *To:* Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com http://cocreateadl.com/ 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet·ing ˈmēdiNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit**t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.* *the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting* *synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More* *power lunch, power breakfast;* *informal get-together* *he stood up to address the meeting* *a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.* *2.* *a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.* *he intrigued her on their first meeting* *synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More* Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community.
Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 45, Issue 16
/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/Community. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141119/301d3e30/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:52:57 +1030 From: John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To: Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com,World wide Open Space Technology email listoslist@lists.openspacetech.org Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? Message-ID: CAJpg6=TMcW7Z7=C7D1PuFE=3_y3-tu1vhabublgf5hyr_zc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com 0405 447 829 ? | ? @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet?ing ?m?diNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit* *t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.* *the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting* *synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More* *power lunch, power breakfast;* *informal get-together* *he stood up to address the meeting* *a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.* *2.* *a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.* *he intrigued her on their first meeting* *synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More* Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141120
Re: [OSList] Critical Testing
Hi Kari I like your intent, but I hear you when you say you fear it may be far too difficult. Do you have any thoughts on viable first steps? (Beyond the immediate step of sharing intent to see what comes of it!) I am thinking of what in startup language is 'minimum viable product'. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Kári Gunnarsson oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora’s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of „participatory processes“ and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles … “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!”… democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. … It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
[OSList] Critical Testing
There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora’s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of „participatory processes“ and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles … “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!”… democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. … It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
I like your description of Open Space being a way It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset. Hence, the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name. (Lao Tzu) Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear Chuni Li From: John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To: Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers John BaxterCocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitatorjsbaxter.com.au | CoCreateADL.com0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet·ing ˈmēdiNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or committee, for discussion or entertainment. the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More power lunch, power breakfast; informal get-together he stood up to address the meeting a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship. 2. a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement. he intrigued her on their first meeting synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio. Blog. Twitter. Examine my new book: The Culture Game : Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training and Coaching. Explore the Agile Boston Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Critical Testing
Hi Kári, Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting! Daniel On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, Kári Gunnarsson via OSList wrote: There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora's Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of participatory processes and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles ... Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!... democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. ... It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book:The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS is! :-) however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience, about what OS can *do*: to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about the same thing. So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* meetings to happen -- the kind of meeting, that people *want* to show up for! *Rosa Zubizarreta* *Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com http://www.diapraxis.com/* On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I like your description of Open Space being a way It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset. Hence, the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name. (Lao Tzu) Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear Chuni Li -- *From:* John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *To:* Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com http://cocreateadl.com/ 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet·ing ˈmēdiNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit* *t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.* *the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting* *synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More* *power lunch, power breakfast;* *informal get-together* *he stood up to address the meeting* *a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.* *2.* *a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.* *he intrigued her on their first meeting* *synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More* Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush
Re: [OSList] Critical Testing
Hi Daniel You are welcome. My tiered English was not at it best in the first post, but I hope the spellchecker managed to make my writing readable. Well there is always the purpose of the occasion and how it plays out. I would now be interested how different participatory processes work for individuals and compare it to Belbin team roles or the personality psychology of the five scales: Cautious-inventive; Organized-careless; Energetic-reserved; Analytical-compassionate; and Confident-nervous. But what to measure for is of-course up to the purpose of our survey. What would be our next step in this topic offering. In openness, Kári the group coach On 20 November 2014 14:06, Daniel Mezick via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Kári, Thank you for making your proposals. They are very interesting! Daniel On 11/20/14 6:34 AM, Kári Gunnarsson via OSList wrote: There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora’s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of „participatory processes“ and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles … “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!”… democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. … It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community.
Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting?
I would say that open space is a themed meeting super-framework. Where people have meetings (with there chosen sub-framework) on topics in connection to our themed and use our common super-framework to organize the meetings and there outcomes. In openness, Kári the group coach On 20 November 2014 20:59, Rosa Zubizarreta via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: slippery ground there, Daniel, talking about what OS is! :-) however, on a very practical level, I will speak from my own experience, about what OS can *do*: to me, it offers a space where people can figure out *what *they really want to meet about, and then meet with others who also care about the same thing. So in that sense, it creates a space for *many* meetings to happen -- the kind of meeting, that people *want* to show up for! *Rosa Zubizarreta* *Diapraxis: Facilitating Creative Collaborationhttp://www.diapraxis.com http://www.diapraxis.com/* On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 8:35 AM, via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: I like your description of Open Space being a way It can be a way in terms of a path, or a way in terms of a means, or a way in terms of a mindset. Hence, the way that can be described is not the universal way, and the name that can be named is not the universal name. (Lao Tzu) Sorry, I seem to have made it even more unclear Chuni Li -- *From:* John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *To:* Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com; World wide Open Space Technology email list oslist@lists.openspacetech.org *Sent:* Thursday, November 20, 2014 12:22 AM *Subject:* Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com http://cocreateadl.com/ 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet·ing ˈmēdiNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit**t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.* *the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting* *synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More* *power lunch, power breakfast;* *informal get-together* *he stood up to address the meeting* *a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.* *2.* *a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.* *he intrigued her on their first meeting* *synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More* Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community.
Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 45, Issue 16
/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/Community. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141119/301d3e30/attachment.html -- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 15:52:57 +1030 From: John Baxter via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org To: Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com,World wide Open Space Technology email listoslist@lists.openspacetech.org Subject: Re: [OSList] Is Open Space a meeting? Message-ID: CAJpg6=TMcW7Z7=C7D1PuFE=3_y3-tu1vhabublgf5hyr_zc...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I can tell you if a meeting is Open Space (though there are plenty of grey examples), but not if Open Space is a meeting. In my personal lingo, Open Space is a way of being together, not a whole package that describes an event. You can hold meetings in Open Space, you can hold gatherings in Open Space, you can hold conferences in Open Space... you can do any of these things in any other way... and you can have Open Space in any myriad forms of 'gathering' too. My response feels unclear, though it was perfectly clear before I wrote it, I promise... Hopefully it comes out okay at your end. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant ?Co?Create Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com 0405 447 829 ? | ? @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Harold Shinsato via OSList oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: Hi Daniel, I think we can count Open Space as a meeting by both definitions 1. and 2. in your dictionary listing. But it doesn't fit well to me in the poetic sense. I prefer conference or gathering. Or even better, it is something that stands alone and apart, as its own sort of thing. So instead of saying we're going to the open space meeting, we just say we're going to the open space. In general, my sense of a meeting is something where we all meet in the same place at the same time and talk about the same things, *mostly* one at a time. Harold On 11/18/14 5:29 AM, Daniel Mezick via OSList wrote: I have a simple question: Is Open Space a meeting? For purposes of discussion, let's use this definition of /meeting/: meet?ing ?m?diNG/ noun noun: meeting; plural noun: meetings 1. *an assembly of people, especially the members of a society or commit* *t**ee**, for discussion or entertainment.* *the early-dismissal policy will be discussed at our next meeting* *synonyms: gathering, assembly, conference, congregation, convention, summit, forum, convocation, conclave, council, rally, caucus; More* *power lunch, power breakfast;* *informal get-together* *he stood up to address the meeting* *a gathering of people, especially Quakers, for worship.* *2.* *a coming together of two or more people, by chance or arrangement.* *he intrigued her on their first meeting* *synonyms: consultation, audience, interview More* Is Open Space a meeting? Daniel -- Daniel Mezick, President New Technology Solutions Inc. (203) 915 7248 (cell) Bio http://newtechusa.net/dan-mezick/. Blog http://newtechusa.net/blog/. Twitter http://twitter.com/#%21/danmezick/. Examine my new book: The Culture Game http://newtechusa.net/about/the-culture-game-book/: Tools for the Agile Manager. Explore Agile Team Training http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-training/ and Coaching. http://newtechusa.net/services/agile-scrum-coaching/ Explore the Agile Boston http://newtechusa.net//user-groups/ma/ Community. ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- Harold Shinsato har...@shinsato.com http://shinsato.com twitter: @hajush http://twitter.com/hajush ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openspacetech.org/pipermail/oslist-openspacetech.org/attachments/20141120
Re: [OSList] Critical Testing
Hi Kari I like your intent, but I hear you when you say you fear it may be far too difficult. Do you have any thoughts on viable first steps? (Beyond the immediate step of sharing intent to see what comes of it!) I am thinking of what in startup language is 'minimum viable product'. Cheers *John Baxter* *Cocreation Consultant CoCreate Adelaide Facilitator* jsbaxter.com.au http://www.jsbaxter.com.au/ | CoCreateADL.com 0405 447 829 | @jsbaxter_ http://twitter.com/jsbaxter_ *Thank you to everyone who came, helped or spread the good word about City Grill!* *Summary and links: cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/ http://cocreateadl.com/localgov/grill-summary/* On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 10:04 PM, Kári Gunnarsson oslist@lists.openspacetech.org wrote: There is an invitation to some scientific rigor for our beloved technology. I propose we accept this invitation as a communal effort. An idea for a trial design would be to collect survey data where the nuances of the lived experiences would be teased out, survey data collected by cooperation among our grand Institutes and access given to unaffiliated researchers to collect some understandings and make their own conclusions in publishable science papers. It will probably be far too difficult, even impossible the task of building of such survey database along with the standardized questioners. And the time to build it was sometime long ago, we are long past out do time. There is urgency to this task. But do we have to do it? Well, is there a real need for this approach? I think we can host this endeavor, even try to find a design that allows for a Double-blinded rigor. My vision is that we design standardize and publish a survey that we then allow events to use to collect data for us, data that we then give to researchers where they can use it for their publishing needs. There is also the Pandora’s Box of issues and opportunities. It looks like it is a topic ripe for an open space, be prepared to be surprised. The new late majority folks are going for the theme of „participatory processes“ and request an overview over the landscape. It is the new gathering pole and open space is central for me in this arena as it is less controlling that other processes. Perhaps tour rigor should be part of a broader sense of analyses under the more general heading of participatory processes. But perhaps when we look at Open Space, then we must use the same type of analyses as when we look at research approaches, like when we look at the difference on Double-blinded procedure done by WHR Rivers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._H._R._Rivers and earlier research procedures. A resent story on time to think, two weeks ago I facilitated a short 3 hour open space for a local branch of a political on their internal operations. There were also a lot of other things happening before and after the conversation part of the program, some football fans even disappeared during the open space to see the ongoing game. Personally I was happy that we had the lunch before the open space, I took some time for reflection and thinking about the possible dream future and topics that make us show up for the work. Then reflection and lunch was served, a lot of chatter during the soup lunch, then back to the introduction of principles … “Whatever happens is the only thing that could have, be prepared to be surprised!”… democracy of the feet / the law of mobility, the bugs and what they give us. Then brake for topics. … It was short time and a lot of conflict of attention by the sponsors for the other parts of the day program, but it worked out well. The passion for work and the freedom of this technology opened for topics and responsibility that had previously been submerged by the tyranny of long speeches and lectures. Give a little time and then open up some space, works each time given the preconditions. In openness, Kári the group coach ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org ___ OSList mailing list To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org To subscribe or manage your subscription click below: http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
