Re: [OSList] urgent need of your wisdom : how to reassure a political guy who fears that the OST format will not be inclusive enough ?

[Harrison via OSList]

Does sort of put you in a hard place, Christine! J It never fails to amaze me 
how people create situations bound for failure, and then try to throw the 
responsibility to somebody else. Frankly there is no process on earth, of which 
I am aware, which would enable 90 disparate people to achieve the results 
expected, all in three hours. Of course if you cut the time further by adding a 
few speakers you can pretty well guarantee total frustration. If it is worth 
while doing, it is worth while doing well, I do believe. And doing what seems 
to asked for is not only an exercise in futility, but demeaning/insulting to 
the participants as well. Oh well, I guess it is really fortunate that I am 
several thousand miles away. I am sure I would create a whole mess of trouble.

 

Harrison

 

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From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of 
christine koehler via OSList
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 2:33 PM
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Subject: [OSList] urgent need of your wisdom : how to reassure a political guy 
who fears that the OST format will not be inclusive enough ?

 

Hi 

 

 

of course, the way I put it sounds rather comic..

 

I am supposed to facilitated a 3h 1/2 OST next wednesday with 90 participants 
from a very diverse background (impact of local actions on climate change and 
COP21  -in Paris next fall- and they are all local actors : politics, 
technicians, companies, non-profit etc.. Host is the territorial entity via a  
statesman with a territoral mandate. 

All has been organized in a few days, we have considered many different design 
to come back to OST because of simplicity and efficiency .

But now the sponsor fear that there it will not enough reflect the diversity of 
actions and timeframe  and the possibility to create a kind of frame to support 
long term action on the territory.

Diificulty lies in the goal : for the planning team, immediate need is the use 
of the space that the entity is willing to rent (and pay for) during COP21 BUT 
that has to be run collectively (and not as usual here « we do it for you ») , 
for the politics, the goal is « long" term with something that will be created 
and will last even after the COP21 event.

 

I believe that OST s the only way that may reach all those goals in such a 
short time frame (at least set the first step) but obviously there is no 
control enough for him and now he want a few discourses speeches from a variety 
of actors before opening the space so that everyone knows about all this and 
that…

 

What would help me is what you did in similar situation.. because I don’t know 
what to tell him (« trust the process obviously does not work…) My appointment 
(by phone of course, such a busy man) with him is in a few hours

 

 

 

Christine 

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Re: [OSList] urgent need of your wisdom : how to reassure a political guy who fears that the OST format will not be inclusive enough ?

[Martin Roell via OSList]

Hi Christine,

thank you for sharing!

As the time is short, I will simply launch some ideas over to you and
trust that you will use or discard them if they match or don't match
your situation:

christine koehler via OSList wrote:
>(...) now he want a few discourses speeches from
> a variety of actors before opening the space so that everyone knows
> about all this and that…

I see two options here:

1) Go with his suggestion: build a meeting process in which first there
are the speeches that he wants, and then open space.

(Advantage: probably easy to move along with the client. disadvantage:
loses space for the open space. people might leave if the speeches are
boring. participants angry if they were invited with a different
expectation setup?)

(funky middle way option here: put the timing in the agenda, so that
sneaky people can skip the speeches and arrive when the open space starts.)

2) Invite the client to put all of his needed speeches in the open
space, possibly encouraging him to get up very early after the space was
opened, to post his and the other speaker's talks. (Arguments: People
are probably interested in what the sponsor has to say. This makes a
more powerful invitation than "forcing" people to listen to talks.)

(This is something I did once, when I was a sponsor: I had gotten people
to help me with a project, and an important early session was to
actually tell people more about the project. So there were a number of
"speech"-type sessions to convey information to those who needed it.)

I hope this helps - good luck!

Martin
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[OSList] urgent need of your wisdom : how to reassure a political guy who fears that the OST format will not be inclusive enough ?

[christine koehler via OSList]

Hi 


of course, the way I put it sounds rather comic..

I am supposed to facilitated a 3h 1/2 OST next wednesday with 90 participants 
from a very diverse background (impact of local actions on climate change and 
COP21  -in Paris next fall- and they are all local actors : politics, 
technicians, companies, non-profit etc.. Host is the territorial entity via a  
statesman with a territoral mandate. 
All has been organized in a few days, we have considered many different design 
to come back to OST because of simplicity and efficiency .
But now the sponsor fear that there it will not enough reflect the diversity of 
actions and timeframe  and the possibility to create a kind of frame to support 
long term action on the territory.
Diificulty lies in the goal : for the planning team, immediate need is the use 
of the space that the entity is willing to rent (and pay for) during COP21 BUT 
that has to be run collectively (and not as usual here « we do it for you ») , 
for the politics, the goal is « long" term with something that will be created 
and will last even after the COP21 event.

I believe that OST s the only way that may reach all those goals in such a 
short time frame (at least set the first step) but obviously there is no 
control enough for him and now he want a few discourses speeches from a variety 
of actors before opening the space so that everyone knows about all this and 
that…

What would help me is what you did in similar situation.. because I don’t know 
what to tell him (« trust the process obviously does not work…) My appointment 
(by phone of course, such a busy man) with him is in a few hours



Christine 
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Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!

[Elwin and Joan via OSList]

Everyone's comment on this occasion has one thing at its center, gratefulness 
for 
OST's life changing impact.
Count me among'em!!
Elwin GuildPortland, CT
  From: Daniel Mezick via OSList 
 To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org 
 Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 7:51 AM
 Subject: Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!
   
 Do we just do what we are programmed to do? Are Troublemakers born, rather 
then made? Tricksters? Warriors? Storytellers? 
 
 Is free will an illusion? Is [the Law of 2 Feet] therefore a joke, a rather 
funny joke actually, and one that is on us?
 
 
  "Like the output of a programmed computer, only one choice is ever physically 
possible: the one you made," Coyne wrote.
 
 "Mele pointed out that the study participants' brain activity accurately 
predicted their eventual decision only 60 percent of the time. In his view, 
this suggests people can consciously choose to override their brains' 
predispositions.  "Therefore, he wrote, "I do not recommend betting the farm on 
the nonexistence of free will."
  http://www.livescience.com/19213-free-fate.html
  
 
 

On 6/27/15 8:13 AM, Harrison via OSList wrote:
  
 
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div.yiv5306195737WordSection1 {}#yiv5306195737  Paul – I cannot dispute that 
something called “Harrison Owen” was present. But I was just giving you an 
“inside report” of my experience. I never doubted my presence, but how, why, or 
for what purpose I showed up remained pretty much of a constant mystery to me 
prospectively. Retrospectively it all seems to make some sort of sense, and 
with a little effort I can spin a marvelous tale. Or at least I enjoy it.    
Specifically, I never got a job that I went after. I never went after a job 
that I got. I did “choose” a career, but that blew up in the first few years. 
Very honestly, I always seems to be well on my way to the next part of my life 
before I had even a small clue. Talk about life plan. Is that self 
organization? I don’t know, but it works for me.    Harrison     Winter Address 
7808 River Falls Drive Potomac, MD 20854 301-365-2093    Summer Address 189 
Beaucaire Ave. Camden, ME 04843 207-763-3261    Websites  
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From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of paul 
levy via OSList
 Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:10 AM
 To: Michael Herman; World wide Open Space Technology email list
 Cc: Harrison
 Subject: Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!     Harrison        You had 
everything to do with it. You were there, and it could never happened without 
you, for you are it-self.     Warm wishes     Paul 
 
 On Saturday, 27 June 2015, Michael Herman via OSList 
 wrote:  i want to add something to what you're 
saying about acting UPON the system and acting IN the system, paul.  i think 
there's a third way.         it's common, as you say, for people to separate 
and try to have some effect UPON the Self, the circle, the system.  we call it 
managing, directing, imposing, controlling, and improving – and the shape is 
the same even if we're trying to improve "open space."   it's all outside and 
unsatisfied.  then there is, as you say, acting IN the system.  people 
announcing sessions, floating around as butterflies, and so on.      the 
third way takes a certain kind of person and/or a good deal of practice, maybe 
even a little luck (a few martinis, perhaps?).  the third way is when little 
individual separate selves manage to speak up AS the Self.  this is just the 
opposite of the manager self attempting to speak for the Self.      in 
those moments, mostly fleeting, of necessity, because it's hard to hold that 
form, hard 

Re: [OSList] How much Silence at beginning?

[Suzanne Daigle via OSList]

Dear Therese I will cherish your post. And especially these words:
"romantic glow of my memory".
Hope you visit more often on the OS list and perhaps the Virtual OSonOS
coming up soon.

Suzanne from Florida enroute to Canada on this sunny balmy day
On Jun 28, 2015 10:48 PM, "Therese Fitzpatrick via OSList" <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> I offer an example of opening space for one day of the Practice of Peace
> conference on Whidbey in Nov 2003. I was one of the planning team and one
> of the convenors of the event. We had lots of OS pracitioners on our
> planning team and we had 'invited guests' from around the world. We decided
> to pair off, one planning team member with one of our invited guests to
> open space -- all our invited guests were OS practitioners. It was, after
> all, an event held because Harrison had just published his book, Practice
> of Peace.
>
> So my big day came. I asked two Israelis, one a Jew, one a Palestinian
> Christian, both of them colleagues in Jerusalem, to co-convene with me. I
> asked two to co-open with me because of work these do had done at the
> conference the day before, work that had galvanized most participants. We
> agreed, we THREE people designated to open the space, that I would do
> logistics, announcements, ask for some silence (I generally use Anne's
> approach and give as much silence as feels right to me in the moment).
>
> For some reason, perhaps because the day before this particular event had
> been particularly intense for many participants, including my two, invited
> co-convenors, I thought there should be a longish silence. I have never
> timed the silence when I open space. It never occurred to me to measure
> 'how much time to be silent'. I prepare meditatively, as Anne described she
> does, and when I step into the role of opening space, I am in open space,
> trusting trusting trusting every moment.
>
> So, picture a room packed with about 120 people from 26 countries, I make
> my announcements but left out one detail and then asked for silence. I knew
> that the fire department was scheduled to come around for a routine
> inspection of the fire alarms. As the convenor that day, and the local
> on-the-ground convenor, staff consulted me and told me a fire alarm might
> go off. They said I could ignore it because it was just a test. So I did
> ignore it but I neglected to tell the circle that a fire alarm test might
> be heard.
>
> So the fire alarm went off, of course, in the middle of my silence. I held
> on, sensing we had not been silent long enough. Until finally, a wonderful
> woman (Nancy White) softly asked me if I thought we should check into the
> alarm. Silence over. I explained that I knew.
>
> I had been so careful to prepare for that circle. It was full of prominent
> os practitioners from around the globe, including, of course, Harrison. I
> was very proud to have the honor of opening one day.
>
> I felt some chagrin in the moments when my silence was cut short,
> regretful that I had forgot to mention it. I had calculated that the fire
> department would be late, for some reason.
>
> Now, in hindsight, that alarm is one of my favorite moments of those four
> intense days. Intense and wonderful days. Listen to the alarm, people. Be
> on the alert. now is the time for all good persons to work for peace,
> emapthy, compassion, love, nature, trust.
>
> More and more, in the romantic glow of my memory, I have come to love that
> loud, cursed alarm.
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Harold Shinsato via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>>  Dear Harrison,
>>
>> I love your response in many ways. It's very confrontational towards this
>> need in me to have a formula of a specific amount of clock time, and
>> laughing it off.
>>
>> In many ways, Anne's invocation of the trans-finite seems to invite this
>> kind of meditation. Thank you Anne for such an invocation of going beyond
>> the finite. How much time do you need for a deep silence? It reminds me of
>> the opening stanza to the William Blake poem, Auguries of Innocence:
>>
>>
>> To see a world in a grain of sand,
>> And a heaven in a wild flower,
>> Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
>> And eternity in an hour.
>>
>>
>> A deep satisfying silence of 10 seconds could be much more impactful in
>> certain circles than forcing an 8 minute meditation on them. For myself, I
>> have noticed many times my own butt beginning to wiggle considerably even
>> just thinking about having to sit still from a command from the facilitator
>> to sit in silence. During the retrospective meeting yesterday with most of
>> the organizing team and some of the participants (everyone was invited), it
>> was quite interesting to contemplate this question of silence. Some balked
>> at the idea of an elongated silence. In fact one of the organizers
>> hypothesized the opening was already too "woo woo" for some of her
>> University friends, and they walked out after the openin

Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!

[Daniel Mezick via OSList]

Do we just do what we are programmed to do? Are Troublemakers born, 
rather then made? Tricksters? Warriors? Storytellers?


Is free will an illusion? Is [the Law of 2 Feet] therefore a joke, a 
rather funny joke actually, and one that is on us?



"Like the output of a programmed computer, only one choice is ever 
physically possible: the one you made," Coyne wrote.


"Mele pointed out that the study participants' brain activity accurately 
predicted their eventual decision only 60 percent of the time. In his 
view, this suggests people can consciously choose to override their 
brains' predispositions.


"Therefore, he wrote, "I do not recommend betting the farm on the 
nonexistence of free will."


http://www.livescience.com/19213-free-fate.html



On 6/27/15 8:13 AM, Harrison via OSList wrote:


Paul – I cannot dispute that something called “Harrison Owen” was 
present. But I was just giving you an “inside report” of my 
experience. I never doubted my presence, but how, why, or for what 
purpose I showed up remained pretty much of a constant mystery to me 
prospectively. Retrospectively it all seems to make some sort of 
sense, and with a little effort I can spin a marvelous tale. Or at 
least I enjoy it.


Specifically, I never got a job that I went after. I never went after 
a job that I got. I did “choose” a career, but that blew up in the 
first few years. Very honestly, I always seems to be well on my way to 
the next part of my life before I had even a small clue. Talk about 
life plan. Is that self organization? I don’t know, but it works for me.


Harrison

Winter Address

7808 River Falls Drive

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093

Summer Address

189 Beaucaire Ave.

Camden, ME 04843

207-763-3261

Websites

www.openspaceworld.com <%20www.openspaceworld.com>

www.ho-image.com

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*From:*OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On 
Behalf Of *paul levy via OSList

*Sent:* Saturday, June 27, 2015 3:10 AM
*To:* Michael Herman; World wide Open Space Technology email list
*Cc:* Harrison
*Subject:* Re: [OSList] 30 Years ... and Counting!

Harrison

You had everything to do with it. You were there, and it could never 
happened without you, for you are it-self.


Warm wishes

Paul

On Saturday, 27 June 2015, Michael Herman via OSList 
> wrote:


i want to add something to what you're saying about acting UPON the 
system and acting IN the system, paul.  i think there's a third way.


it's common, as you say, for people to separate and try to have some 
effect UPON the Self, the circle, the system.  we call it managing, 
directing, imposing, controlling, and improving – and the shape is the 
same even if we're trying to improve "open space."  it's all outside 
and unsatisfied.  then there is, as you say, acting IN the system. 
 people announcing sessions, floating around as butterflies, and so on.


the third way takes a certain kind of person and/or a good deal of 
practice, maybe even a little luck (a few martinis, perhaps?).  the 
third way is when little individual separate selves manage to speak up 
AS the Self.  this is just the opposite of the manager self attempting 
to speak for the Self.


in those moments, mostly fleeting, of necessity, because it's hard to 
hold that form, hard to stay on that wave, (or maybe because there's 
often so little that can or must be "said" or "done"), when we speak 
AS the gathered Self, we are still our selves, but our selves are not 
in charge.  we do and become things, as harrison suggests, that we 
might not otherwise choose or intend or even want.  but whatever 
happens...


the wave of Self picks us up and moves us AND we are that wave.  we 
must always and everywhere be holding space for ourselves and diving 
for cover in Self, or is that holding space for ourSelves and diving 
for cover in self?  




--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org

On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 5:40 PM, Harrison via OSList 
> wrote:


Paul... Being the contrarian that I am, I rather think that the “Self” 
in question is -- itself -- a product of self organization. Weird, I 
guess – but that has definitely been my life experience.  The “self” 
that I am definitely was not the product of my intent or design. It 
may not have happened “all by itself,” but I didn’t have too much to 
do with it, as least as I am aware. How about those bananas?


Harrison

Winter Address

7808 River Falls Drive

Potomac, MD 20854

301-365-2093 

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Camden, ME 04843

207-763-3261 

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