Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further in organizations and networks after the initial intervention

[David Smith via OSList]

Hi Harrison and Rob,

I similarly put in a quote for making a multimedia video/presentation for an 
environmental engineering company. The project manager contacted me and said I 
was far and away the best qualified person for the job but my quote was far and 
away the lowest – would I consider doubling it to avoid embarrassing the 
others...

What can you say?

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From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of R 
Chaffe via OSList
Sent: 13 August, 2018 9:04 AM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: R Chaffe
Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further in 
organizations and networks after the initial intervention

 

Harrison, yes.  

 

On the other hand a client almost demanded that I increase my fee by 30%.  My 
comment was we had a contract and I intended to keep to the agreed cost.  The 
underlying issue was that my event had been so successful that it made other 
similar events look very expensive.  Yet all that happened was that the process 
gave voice to all present.

 

Rob


On 13 Aug 2018, at 12:41 am, Harrison Owen via OSList 
 wrote:

Rob – you have identified one of the most curious aspects of dealing with 
clients and/or potential clients regarding Open Space. It’s too simple. 
Couldn’t possibly happen, and doesn’t cost enough. I had one (major) corporate 
client who told me to double my fee otherwise, he said, he couldn’t possibly 
get the contract through the front office. I did what he asked and always felt 
rather guilty about it all. But he was very happy, and of course the Open Space 
“worked” as usual. For obvious reasons all names are withheld to protect the 
innocent and gullible J

 

ho

 

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Chaffe via OSList
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:02 PM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: R Chaffe
Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further in 
organizations and networks after the initial intervention

 

Harrison, the process is so comfortable ie sitting in circles, speaking when 
there is something to say, listening to others, keeping our minds open to 
insights and differences etc.  Yes we do it all the time!  Therein lies an 
issue for those looking for the “silver” bullet from “outside” as the promise 
we can make is for an opportunity to explore issues and opportunities 
associated with a particular question we have little control on what might come 
and we have faith in the community of concern will have the best ways of 
dealing with their concern.  Sometimes it is a “road to Damascus experience and 
most of the time it is an insight that needs to be explored.   This raises 
another issue for those who think the one meeting will be all that is required 
and blindly race into the future thinking that change is something that others 
do.  Opening the space is more a process than an event and seeing / believing 
in this is one of the main stays of Open Space along with the faith that within 
the community of concern we have the power to implement insights and directions 
gained from empowering the community to “live”.

Regards

Rob


On 12 Aug 2018, at 5:09 am, Jan Hoglund via OSList 
 wrote:

Thanks for your reflections Harrison!

Rachel Naomi Remen also speaks about 'who and what' we already are:

"The power to repair the world is already in you."
"In befriending life, we do not make things happen according to our own design. 
We uncover something that is already happening in us and around us and create 
conditions that enable it. Everything is moving toward its place of wholeness. 
Befriending life requires that we listen for that potential which is trying to 
actualize itself over time. … It is not about mastering life, controlling it or 
exerting our will over it, no matter how well intentioned our will may be. … It 
means listening to life from the place in us that is connected to the wholeness 
around us. The place in us that is also whole."
—Rachel Naomi Remen, My Grandfather's Blessings

I assume this is somewhat in line with your thinking? Maybe 'blessing' a space, 
or an organization, is a way to open it further? And it opens yourself. Just a 
thought.

Thanks again,
/Jan Höglund, Sweden






 

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Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further in organizations and networks after the initial intervention

[R Chaffe via OSList]

Harrison, yes.  

On the other hand a client almost demanded that I increase my fee by 30%.  My 
comment was we had a contract and I intended to keep to the agreed cost.  The 
underlying issue was that my event had been so successful that it made other 
similar events look very expensive.  Yet all that happened was that the process 
gave voice to all present.


Rob

> On 13 Aug 2018, at 12:41 am, Harrison Owen via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Rob – you have identified one of the most curious aspects of dealing with 
> clients and/or potential clients regarding Open Space. It’s too simple. 
> Couldn’t possibly happen, and doesn’t cost enough. I had one (major) 
> corporate client who told me to double my fee otherwise, he said, he couldn’t 
> possibly get the contract through the front office. I did what he asked and 
> always felt rather guilty about it all. But he was very happy, and of course 
> the Open Space “worked” as usual. For obvious reasons all names are withheld 
> to protect the innocent and gullible J
>  
> ho
>  
> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of R 
> Chaffe via OSList
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:02 PM
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> Cc: R Chaffe
> Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further in 
> organizations and networks after the initial intervention
>  
> Harrison, the process is so comfortable ie sitting in circles, speaking when 
> there is something to say, listening to others, keeping our minds open to 
> insights and differences etc.  Yes we do it all the time!  Therein lies an 
> issue for those looking for the “silver” bullet from “outside” as the promise 
> we can make is for an opportunity to explore issues and opportunities 
> associated with a particular question we have little control on what might 
> come and we have faith in the community of concern will have the best ways of 
> dealing with their concern.  Sometimes it is a “road to Damascus experience 
> and most of the time it is an insight that needs to be explored.   This 
> raises another issue for those who think the one meeting will be all that is 
> required and blindly race into the future thinking that change is something 
> that others do.  Opening the space is more a process than an event and seeing 
> / believing in this is one of the main stays of Open Space along with the 
> faith that within the community of concern we have the power to implement 
> insights and directions gained from empowering the community to “live”.
> 
> Regards
> Rob
> 
> On 12 Aug 2018, at 5:09 am, Jan Hoglund via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for your reflections Harrison!
> 
> Rachel Naomi Remen also speaks about 'who and what' we already are:
> 
> "The power to repair the world is already in you."
> "In befriending life, we do not make things happen according to our own 
> design. We uncover something that is already happening in us and around us 
> and create conditions that enable it. Everything is moving toward its place 
> of wholeness. Befriending life requires that we listen for that potential 
> which is trying to actualize itself over time. … It is not about mastering 
> life, controlling it or exerting our will over it, no matter how well 
> intentioned our will may be. … It means listening to life from the place in 
> us that is connected to the wholeness around us. The place in us that is also 
> whole."
> —Rachel Naomi Remen, My Grandfather's Blessings
> 
> I assume this is somewhat in line with your thinking? Maybe 'blessing' a 
> space, or an organization, is a way to open it further? And it opens 
> yourself. Just a thought.
> 
> Thanks again,
> /Jan Höglund, Sweden
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
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Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further in organizations and networks after the initial intervention

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

Rob – you have identified one of the most curious aspects of dealing with 
clients and/or potential clients regarding Open Space. It’s too simple. 
Couldn’t possibly happen, and doesn’t cost enough. I had one (major) corporate 
client who told me to double my fee otherwise, he said, he couldn’t possibly 
get the contract through the front office. I did what he asked and always felt 
rather guilty about it all. But he was very happy, and of course the Open Space 
“worked” as usual. For obvious reasons all names are withheld to protect the 
innocent and gullible J

 

ho

 

From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of R 
Chaffe via OSList
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2018 10:02 PM
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
Cc: R Chaffe
Subject: Re: [OSList] Is there experience in developing Open Space further in 
organizations and networks after the initial intervention

 

Harrison, the process is so comfortable ie sitting in circles, speaking when 
there is something to say, listening to others, keeping our minds open to 
insights and differences etc.  Yes we do it all the time!  Therein lies an 
issue for those looking for the “silver” bullet from “outside” as the promise 
we can make is for an opportunity to explore issues and opportunities 
associated with a particular question we have little control on what might come 
and we have faith in the community of concern will have the best ways of 
dealing with their concern.  Sometimes it is a “road to Damascus experience and 
most of the time it is an insight that needs to be explored.   This raises 
another issue for those who think the one meeting will be all that is required 
and blindly race into the future thinking that change is something that others 
do.  Opening the space is more a process than an event and seeing / believing 
in this is one of the main stays of Open Space along with the faith that within 
the community of concern we have the power to implement insights and directions 
gained from empowering the community to “live”.

Regards

Rob


On 12 Aug 2018, at 5:09 am, Jan Hoglund via OSList 
 wrote:

Thanks for your reflections Harrison!

Rachel Naomi Remen also speaks about 'who and what' we already are:

"The power to repair the world is already in you."
"In befriending life, we do not make things happen according to our own design. 
We uncover something that is already happening in us and around us and create 
conditions that enable it. Everything is moving toward its place of wholeness. 
Befriending life requires that we listen for that potential which is trying to 
actualize itself over time. … It is not about mastering life, controlling it or 
exerting our will over it, no matter how well intentioned our will may be. … It 
means listening to life from the place in us that is connected to the wholeness 
around us. The place in us that is also whole."
—Rachel Naomi Remen, My Grandfather's Blessings

I assume this is somewhat in line with your thinking? Maybe 'blessing' a space, 
or an organization, is a way to open it further? And it opens yourself. Just a 
thought.

Thanks again,
/Jan Höglund, Sweden





 

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