Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 17

[Hulu via OSList]

Dear Harrison,

Thanks for your message and hope you're well. Pity that we will not see you
in Iceland this time, and I will have to get back to London after... Will
definitely let you know if I come to DC one day. And do let me know if you
come to London. xxx

Regards,
Hulu

On Tue, Aug 28, 2018 at 10:49 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> hulu good to hear from you. Don't think I will make it to Iceland... but
> if you have to come back through DC, you are always welcome!
>
> ho
>
> Harrison Owen
> 7808 River Falls Dr
> Potomac, MD 20854
> USA
> Phone 301-365-2093
> (summer) 207-763-3261
>
> www.openspaceworld.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Hulu Chen via OSList 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> Cc: Hulu Chen ; christopher macrae <
> chris.mac...@yahoo.co.uk>
> Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2018 12:48 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 17
>
> Hi Christopher,
>
> Greeting from Hulu. The organisation I worked in Beijing, Shining Stone
> Community Action, have been doing lots of open space in Beijing and all
> around China. I can connect you with them if that helps.
>
> P.S I’m going to WOSonOS in Iceland with the president of SSCA this
> October. So if you happen to go, we can meet there. :)
>
> Regards,
> Hulu
>
> On 26 Aug 2018, at 23:25, christopher macrae via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> hi if there are any people on this list in china - it would be great to
> hear from you; my family's foundation Norman Macrae : Books & Surveys at
> The Economist   is helping to organise a
> week long dialogue with a professor from china's top servant leader
> university tsinghua - i am confident she would like to know more about open
> space movements linking beijing and other regions
>
> Norman Macrae : Books & Surveys at The Economist
> 2018 welcome to 175 birthday of The Economist founded by James Wilson 1843
> - we hope you will enjoy sampling val...
> 
>
>
>
> chris.mac...@yahoo.co.uk  washington dc whats app 1 240 316 8157
> ps recently a china expert was asked what if any role does china like
> international ngos play - the answer work in one locality on a sustainnable
> solution that could be replicated- the government likes to be involved in
> the scaling up but understands ngos are best at concept development - this
> makes sense to me- my experience is that system changing concept
> development takes many years.  i wish it wasnt so but there are extremely
> few cases i have come across where a solution scaled across communities
> without many years of work in the first community-thats partly because in
> the west we live in a world where mass media (my analytic profession over
> 40 year now ) is so fake
>
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> ___
> OSList mailing list
> To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
> To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
> To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
> http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
> Past archives can be viewed here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

[OSList] Unfinished Business....

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

This summer, I have been thinking about what I have not been able to do.
Turns out to be a lot, but two things in particular. I have pulled it all
together in a paper (attached). Please feel free to jump in where you might
be contributory, and pass it along to whomsoever.

 

Harrison



Unfinished Business.pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 17

[Harrison Owen via OSList]

hulu good to hear from you. Don't think I will make it to Iceland... but if you 
have to come back through DC, you are always welcome!


ho


Harrison Owen
7808 River Falls Dr
Potomac, MD 20854
USA
Phone 301-365-2093
(summer) 207-763-3261

www.openspaceworld.com



-Original Message-
From: Hulu Chen via OSList 
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
Cc: Hulu Chen ; christopher macrae 
Sent: Mon, Aug 27, 2018 12:48 pm
Subject: Re: [OSList] OSList Digest, Vol 88, Issue 17


Hi Christopher,


Greeting from Hulu. The organisation I worked in Beijing, Shining Stone 
Community Action, have been doing lots of open space in Beijing and all around 
China. I can connect you with them if that helps.


P.S I’m going to WOSonOS in Iceland with the president of SSCA this October. So 
if you happen to go, we can meet there. :)


Regards,
Hulu 


On 26 Aug 2018, at 23:25, christopher macrae via OSList 
 wrote:




hi if there are any people on this list in china - it would be great to hear 
from you; my family's foundation Norman Macrae : Books & Surveys at The 
Economist  is helping to organise a week long dialogue with a professor from 
china's top servant leader university tsinghua - i am confident she would like 
to know more about open space movements linking beijing and other regions






















Norman Macrae : Books & Surveys at The Economist
2018 welcome to 175 birthday of The Economist founded by James Wilson 1843 - we 
hope you will enjoy sampling val...













chris.mac...@yahoo.co.uk  washington dc whats app 1 240 316 8157
ps recently a china expert was asked what if any role does china like 
international ngos play - the answer work in one locality on a sustainnable 
solution that could be replicated- the government likes to be involved in the 
scaling up but understands ngos are best at concept development - this makes 
sense to me- my experience is that system changing concept development takes 
many years.  i wish it wasnt so but there are extremely few cases i have come 
across where a solution scaled across communities without many years of work in 
the first community-thats partly because in the west we live in a world where 
mass media (my analytic profession over 40 year now ) is so fake 


___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org


___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety

[David Osborne via OSList]

Looks really interesting. 

Thanks Michael

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 28, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Michael Herman via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> and this yesterday in the nytimes...
> 
> https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/books/review/splintering-william-egginton-coddling-greg-lukianoff-jonathan-haidt.html
> 
> a review of two books that suggest safety concerns, especially on college 
> campuses and within the iGen cohort that follows millennials, gets in the way 
> of people learning to communicate about important issues, setting democracy 
> up for failure.
> 
> 
> 
> THE SPLINTERING OF THE AMERICAN MIND 
> Identity Politics, Inequality, and Community on Today’s College Campuses 
> By William Egginton 
> 263 pp. Bloomsbury. $28.
> 
> THE CODDLING OF THE AMERICAN MIND
> How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure 
> By Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt
> 338 pp. Penguin Press. $28.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> --
> 
> Michael Herman
> Michael Herman Associates
> 312-280-7838 (mobile)
> 
> http://MichaelHerman.com
> http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Dan Mezick via OSList 
>>  wrote:
>> Here’s a book that associates computer network efficiency at scale with 
>> civilization-efficiency at scale. And vice versa, which is his essential 
>> point.
>> 
>> The conclusion is that individual agents are the only entities capable of 
>> making promises at that level and that this is actually super-efficient and 
>> in fact optimal in terms of at-scale system level performance:  how 
>> interesting...
>> 
>> Promise Theory: Thinking in Promises
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Promises-Designing-Systems-Cooperation/dp/1491917873
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Oh sure. YOU alone a responsible for what you do/are -- unless of course 
>>> you are mentally impaired. And nobody can keep you "honest" better that 
>>> your peers and colleagues. Presuming that they step up and do their job. Of 
>>> course, if they sit on the sideline and allow terrible things to happen... 
>>> It really is about taking personal responsibility for the life you live and 
>>> for those who live it with you. Nothing is perfect, of course, but we try.
>>> 
>>> ho
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Dr Potomac, MD 20854 USA Phone 301-365-2093 
>>> (summer) 207-763-3261 www.openspaceworld.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mona Saleh Abd El Salam via OSList 
>>> To: oslist 
>>> Cc: Mona Saleh Abd El Salam 
>>> Sent: Sat, Aug 25, 2018 12:34 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety
>>> 
>>> Harrison,
>>> maybe you also indicate having everyone appreciated for what they do, as  
>>> well as having everyone responsible for what they do?
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:54 PM Harrison Owen via OSList 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Mona… In all the years that I have facilitated/participated in Open Space I 
>>> have never seen any physical violence. Tense situations for sure, but the 
>>> group always handled it and, most importantly, learned from it. I think I 
>>> understand what you mean with a “code of conduct” but I’ve never seen the 
>>> need for it and more to the point such a code could shift responsibility 
>>> for humane behavior from the individual to the Code. My hope is always to 
>>> “ultimize” (no such word, I know) each person’s responsibility for 
>>> themselves and their fellows. That it always (in my experience) seem to 
>>> work may prove something?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> ho
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Mona Saleh Abd El Salam via OSList
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:52 AM
>>> To: oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
>>> Cc: Mona Saleh Abd El Salam
>>> Subject: Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> maybe you mean having individuals with some (common sense) that can be 
>>> listed in a (code of conduct) according to which they behave.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:34 PM David Osborne via OSList 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Quoting from Harrison in The Practice of Peace.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Stuart Kaufman's original work which focused on biological systems aka the 
>>> emergence of life on earth describes five pre-conditions for open space, 
>>> one of which is "A safe, nutrient-rich environment."   Harrison goes on to 
>>> describe the equivalent for Human systems as "some kind of safety and 
>>> support in the overall environment."
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> I interpret safety as a psychologically safe space where individuals can 
>>> act and speak ( take risks, share diverse views etc.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Can it be too safe to support self-organization?
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> David R. Osborne
>>> Organization and Leadership Development
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 6402 Arlington Blvd., Suite 1120, Falls Church, VA 22042 
>>> 
>>> 703-939-1777   |   dosbo.

Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety

[Michael Herman via OSList]

and this yesterday in the nytimes...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/books/review/splintering-william-egginton-coddling-greg-lukianoff-jonathan-haidt.html

a review of two books that suggest safety concerns, especially on college
campuses and within the iGen cohort that follows millennials, gets in the
way of people learning to communicate about important issues, setting
democracy up for failure.



*THE SPLINTERING OF THE AMERICAN MIND *
*Identity Politics, Inequality, and Community on Today’s College Campuses*
By William Egginton
263 pp. Bloomsbury. $28.

*THE CODDLING OF THE AMERICAN MIND*
*How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are Setting Up a Generation for Failure*
By Greg Lukianoff and Jonathan Haidt
338 pp. Penguin Press. $28.




--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org



On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 1:10 PM, Dan Mezick via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Here’s a book that associates computer network efficiency at scale with
> civilization-efficiency at scale. And vice versa, which is his essential
> point.
>
> The conclusion is that individual agents are the only entities capable of
> making promises at that level and that this is actually super-efficient and
> in fact optimal in terms of at-scale system level performance:  how
> interesting...
>
> Promise Theory: Thinking in Promises
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Promises-Designing-Systems-Cooperation/dp/
> 1491917873
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 25, 2018, at 12:44 PM, Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Oh sure. YOU alone a responsible for what you do/are -- unless of course
> you are mentally impaired. And nobody can keep you "honest" better that
> your peers and colleagues. Presuming that they step up and do their job. Of
> course, if they sit on the sideline and allow terrible things to happen...
> It really is about taking personal responsibility for the life you live and
> for those who live it with you. Nothing is perfect, of course, but we try.
>
> ho
>
>
> Harrison Owen 7808 River Falls Dr Potomac, MD 20854 USA Phone 301-365-2093
> (summer) 207-763-3261 www.openspaceworld.com
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mona Saleh Abd El Salam via OSList 
> To: oslist 
> Cc: Mona Saleh Abd El Salam 
> Sent: Sat, Aug 25, 2018 12:34 pm
> Subject: Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety
>
> Harrison,
> maybe you also indicate having everyone appreciated for what they do, as
> well as having everyone responsible for what they do?
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:54 PM Harrison Owen via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Mona… In all the years that I have facilitated/participated in Open Space
> I have never seen any physical violence. Tense situations for sure, but the
> group always handled it and, most importantly, learned from it. I think I
> understand what you mean with a “code of conduct” but I’ve never seen the
> need for it and more to the point such a code could shift responsibility
> for humane behavior from the individual to the Code. My hope is always to
> “ultimize” (no such word, I know) each person’s responsibility for
> themselves and their fellows. That it always (in my experience) seem to
> work may prove something?
>
>
>
> ho
>
>
>
> *From:* OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Mona Saleh Abd El Salam via OSList
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 23, 2018 6:52 AM
> *To:* oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
> *Cc:* Mona Saleh Abd El Salam
> *Subject:* Re: [OSList] A Question About Safety
>
>
>
> maybe you mean having individuals with some (common sense) that can be
> listed in a (code of conduct) according to which they behave.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 12:34 PM David Osborne via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Quoting from Harrison in *The Practice of Peace.*
>
>
>
> Stuart Kaufman's original work which focused on biological systems aka the
> emergence of life on earth describes five pre-conditions for open space,
> one of which is "*A safe, nutrient-rich environment."   *Harrison goes on
> to describe the equivalent for Human systems as *"some kind of safety and
> support in the overall environment."*
>
>
>
> I interpret safety as a psychologically safe space where individuals can
> act and speak ( take risks, share diverse views etc.
>
>
>
> Can it be too safe to support self-organization?
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> *David R. Osborne*
> Organization and Leadership Development
>
>
> 6402 Arlington Blvd., Suite 1120, Falls Church, VA 22042
>
> 703-939-1777   |   dosbo...@change-fusion.com   |   change-fusion.com
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:13 AM, Bhavesh Patel  wrote:
>
> Curious to know what you mean by 'safety'?
>
>
>
> On 21 August 2018 at 07:49, David Osborne via OSList <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
>
>
>
> I have questions about safety related to self-organization I would love
> ot

[OSList] online open space-ish government?

[Michael Herman via OSList]

this maybe interesting and encouraging.  maybe our friends in taiwan will
be able to say more about it?

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/611816/the-simple-but-
ingenious-system-taiwan-uses-to-crowdsource-its-laws/



--

Michael Herman
Michael Herman Associates
312-280-7838 (mobile)

http://MichaelHerman.com
http://OpenSpaceWorld.org
___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org

[OSList] Open Space Hotline TODAY, Aug 28, 2018 @ 12PM EDT!

[Tricia Chirumbole via OSList]

Happy Tuesday everyone!

The Open Space Hotline is coming to a device near you soon - TODAY,
Tuesday, August 28th @12PM EDT for whomever wants to drop in and listen,
share a thought, ask a question,workshop an idea or just say hi!

Expect the unexpected :)

One+ hours of video conversation with amazing folks from around the world
- Law of Two Feet applies as always!

Sign-up and post topics: http://bit.ly/OShotline

Join the call from PC, Mac, iOS or Android: https://zoom.us/j/751609912
a.  Join by phone: +1 (415) 762-9988 or +1 (646) 568-7788 (US Toll)
b.  International numbers available: https://zoom.us/zoomconference
c.  Meeting ID: 751 609 912

My regular apologies for late posting! :O

Cheers!

___
OSList mailing list
To post send emails to OSList@lists.openspacetech.org
To unsubscribe send an email to oslist-le...@lists.openspacetech.org
To subscribe or manage your subscription click below:
http://lists.openspacetech.org/listinfo.cgi/oslist-openspacetech.org
Past archives can be viewed here: 
http://www.mail-archive.com/oslist@lists.openspacetech.org