[OSList] Leadership Competencies for Thriving in a Culture of Constant Change

[Birgitt Williams via OSList]

Dear friends and colleagues,
I love supporting leaders who have a desire to shift their organizational
culture to value leadership in everyone, to nourish a culture of
leadership. They understand the importance of a liberating structure and a
participatory architecture to engage and support a culture of leadership.
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These leaders that I have had the pleasure of working with required support
in their own leadership development journey so that they felt confident in
leading an organization, in being accountable for an organization, with
such a participatory architecture.

One of the five modules I have created for self study for this specific
capacity of leadership development is Leadership Competencies for Thriving
in a Culture of Constant Change. It is one of the five main topics I go
over with leaders during our coaching/mentoring sessions for their
development of the expanded leadership capacity that they will need. You
can read a little more about this module and in fact the whole series of
the five modules at Next Level Leadership: Orientation and Readiness
s

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makes frequent use of Open Space Technology...and its law and principles in
the daily life of the organization.

in genuine contact,
Birgitt


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Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Mark,

 

I have to disagree with you here on three points:

 

“Respect is a two way street.”

No it is not. This is the quid-pro-quo, tit-for-tat mentality that has gotten 
us into an immense amount of trouble already. I can very well respect a person 
who does not respect me. I am sure you can too. Now that is something this 
world needs more of!

 

“The quote disrespects successful people and the need for more of them.”

No it does not. The quote says that it is a certain kind of success that we do 
not need more of. The quote continues to explain what and why. What we do not 
need is the kind of success that is measured in amounts of money and prides 
itself in a large ecological footprint. That is a kind of success this world 
does not need more of. See my earlier comments on definitions.

 

“I said the quote is ridiculous, not that any person is.”  That is how bullies 
get away with bullying. “I just said something about the words, not about the 
person.” (innocent face)

I can only talk for myself, but if I end my emails with a quote that is close 
to my heart, and someone calls that quote ridiculous, that hurts. And in my 
book, this is not respectful behavior.

 

Koos

 

Van: Mark Carmel  
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 22:25
Aan: k...@auryn.nl
CC: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is 
that the planet does not need more successful people"

 

Koos, I said the quote is ridiculous, not that any person is.  See how simply 
words and their meaning can be misconstrued?  I agree with you on respect. 
Respect is a two way street. The quote disrespects successful people and the 
need for more of them. That is antithetical to our beloved OST.  For OST seeks 
to liberate its participants unto freedom to pursue their personal passion and 
responsibility, right?  To do what? Be unsuccessful?  See how ridiculous that 
assertion is? People yearn To become successful and accomplish their aims and 
objectives... However that is defined by each person.

 

All the best to you Koos,

MC

 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 1:45 PM Koos de Heer mailto:k...@auryn.nl> 
> wrote:

Mark,

 

“THE dictionary”? As if there is one truth that supersedes all others? Not very 
Open Space-like imho.

 

It hurts me to see a quote being called ridiculous, especially if that quote 
has been said with an ideal, a true passion in mind. So I went looking for the 
meaning behind that quote and I found a few possible meanings that made good 
sense to me. When the ridiculing is topped off by saying the person should not 
be here, it hurts me even more. This feels like bullying and that, my friend, 
has no place here as far as I am concerned.

 

Let us treat each other with respect. Respect in my definition meaning:

*   Not calling each other ridiculous (or any other ugly name for that 
matter)
*   Welcoming everyone that wants to be here.

 

Koos

 

 

Van: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com> > 
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 17:37
Aan: k...@auryn.nl  
CC: World wide Open Space Technology email list mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is 
that the planet does not need more successful people"

 

Koos,

 

That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are KEY in 
human understanding.  The definition of success I provided is in the 
dictionary.  

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

MC

 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer mailto:k...@auryn.nl> 
> wrote:

It depends on your definition of success.

 

If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to deplete 
a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the statement that 
we don’t need that.

 

If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus spreading 
your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian definition of success) 
then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that because there are 
already too many of us on this planet.

 

If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are about a 
sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.

 

So it is all a matter of definitions.

 

Koos

 

 

Van: OSList mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> > Namens Mark Carmel via OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57
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mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >
CC: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com> >
Onderwerp: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that 
the planet does not need more successful people"

 

The definition of success is:

 The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. 

 

What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to 
pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become 
successful in their life? 

Re: [OSList] Definitions...

[Royle, Karl via OSList]

Nice thoughts Michael 

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> On 5 Dec 2019, at 19:08, Michael M Pannwitz via OSList 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> reading this from Mark Carmel in the note of Dec 5
> 
> "What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to 
> pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become 
> successful in their life?"
> 
> made me wonder about this statement and about the many other things OST is 
> supposed to achieve, accomplish, etc.
> 
> I suspect that all statements in this direction are manifestations of the 
> assumptions we find to be pretty solid truths.
> 
> The manifestation of my assumption around OST goes like this
> "OST is a tested and reliable approach to expand space for the unfolding of 
> the power of selforganisation."
> Nothing more, nothing less. This also keeps it entirely open und 
> unpredictable what happens when the force has a better go at it in comparison 
> to the normal conditions under which is restricted.
> When we take a look at what happens in OST events we can see myriads of 
> things, including folks taking action on stuff that they care for and are 
> ready to fight for.
> 
> In my thinking I believe  I as facilitator should not worry or bother myself 
> with what can be achieved with OST. I simply know that there will be more 
> space for the force. What happens is definitely  of interest to all the folks 
> involved.
> And usually they know but dont take much notice of the fact, that they have 
> been doing and achieving all this stuff under the influence of the force of 
> selforganisation, all by themselves. They dont really think much of it 
> because they apparently are pretty happy with what they are doing. And any 
> attempts on my part (or other facilitators) to get them interested on what 
> wonderful things they have been achieving (Community, Leadership of All, 
> Selfmanagement, Vision building, Goal settingthey are rather bored with 
> those exercises and want to spent their energies for getting on with what is 
> at hand for them).
> 
> Definitions of such things as "success" are endless. In the context of an OST 
> event I have become more and more interested in not being noticed after the 
> market place activities. The less I am noticed the more success I feel.
> 
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
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Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Mark Carmel via OSList]

Koos, I said the quote is ridiculous, not that any person is.  See how
simply words and their meaning can be misconstrued?  I agree with you on
respect. Respect is a two way street. The quote disrespects successful
people and the need for more of them. That is antithetical to our beloved
OST.  For OST seeks to liberate its participants unto freedom to pursue
their personal passion and responsibility, right?  To do what? Be
unsuccessful?  See how ridiculous that assertion is? People yearn To become
successful and accomplish their aims and objectives... However that is
defined by each person.

All the best to you Koos,
MC

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 1:45 PM Koos de Heer  wrote:

> Mark,
>
>
>
> “THE dictionary”? As if there is one truth that supersedes all others? Not
> very Open Space-like imho.
>
>
>
> It hurts me to see a quote being called ridiculous, especially if that
> quote has been said with an ideal, a true passion in mind. So I went
> looking for the meaning behind that quote and I found a few possible
> meanings that made good sense to me. When the ridiculing is topped off by
> saying the person should not be here, it hurts me even more. This feels
> like bullying and that, my friend, has no place here as far as I am
> concerned.
>
>
>
> Let us treat each other with respect. Respect in my definition meaning:
>
>- Not calling each other ridiculous (or any other ugly name for that
>matter)
>- Welcoming everyone that wants to be here.
>
>
>
> Koos
>
>
>
>
>
> *Van:* Mark Carmel 
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 17:37
> *Aan:* k...@auryn.nl
> *CC:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain
> fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"
>
>
>
> Koos,
>
>
>
> That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are
> KEY in human understanding.  The definition of success I provided is in the
> dictionary.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
>
>
> MC
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer  wrote:
>
> It depends on your definition of success.
>
>
>
> If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to
> deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the
> statement that we don’t need that.
>
>
>
> If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus
> spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian
> definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t
> need that because there are already too many of us on this planet.
>
>
>
> If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are
> about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.
>
>
>
> So it is all a matter of definitions.
>
>
>
> Koos
>
>
>
>
>
> *Van:* OSList  *Namens *Mark
> Carmel via OSList
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57
> *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *CC:* Mark Carmel 
> *Onderwerp:* [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact
> is that the planet does not need more successful people"
>
>
>
> The definition of success is:
>
>  The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose.
>
>
>
> What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action
> to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become
> successful in their life?
>
>
>
> The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the
> sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care,
> safety, etc.
>
>
>
> There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into
> this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an
> OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion.
>
>
>
> "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel
>
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>1. Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within &
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>2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy)
>3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano)
>4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler)
>5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
>   & without! (christine koehler)
>6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
>   & without! (Marc C. Trudeau)

Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

Mark,

 

“THE dictionary”? As if there is one truth that supersedes all others? Not very 
Open Space-like imho.

 

It hurts me to see a quote being called ridiculous, especially if that quote 
has been said with an ideal, a true passion in mind. So I went looking for the 
meaning behind that quote and I found a few possible meanings that made good 
sense to me. When the ridiculing is topped off by saying the person should not 
be here, it hurts me even more. This feels like bullying and that, my friend, 
has no place here as far as I am concerned.

 

Let us treat each other with respect. Respect in my definition meaning:

*   Not calling each other ridiculous (or any other ugly name for that 
matter)
*   Welcoming everyone that wants to be here.

 

Koos

 

 

Van: Mark Carmel  
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 17:37
Aan: k...@auryn.nl
CC: World wide Open Space Technology email list 
Onderwerp: Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is 
that the planet does not need more successful people"

 

Koos,

 

That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are KEY in 
human understanding.  The definition of success I provided is in the 
dictionary.  

 

Thanks for your feedback.

 

MC

 

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer mailto:k...@auryn.nl> 
> wrote:

It depends on your definition of success.

 

If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to deplete 
a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the statement that 
we don’t need that.

 

If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus spreading 
your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian definition of success) 
then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that because there are 
already too many of us on this planet.

 

If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are about a 
sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.

 

So it is all a matter of definitions.

 

Koos

 

 

Van: OSList mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org> > Namens Mark Carmel via OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57
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mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> >
CC: Mark Carmel mailto:markacar...@gmail.com> >
Onderwerp: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that 
the planet does not need more successful people"

 

The definition of success is:

 The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. 

 

What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to 
pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become 
successful in their life? 

 

The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the 
sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, 
safety, etc.   

 

There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into this 
idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an OST 
Facilitatorin my humble opinion.  

 

"We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel

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   1. Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within &
  without! (Tricia Chirumbole)
   2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy)
   3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano)
   4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler)
   5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
  & without! (christine koehler)
   6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
  & without! (Marc C. Trudeau)
   7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
  & without! (Tricia Chirumbole)


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Hello all!!

This may be a teeny 

Re: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within & without!

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

Hi Tricia!

Wonderful topic.

I met Jen Freeman  this week, who
has studied tai-chi for many years and uses embodiment significantly in her
coaching and OD practice. It might be interesting to connect with her. Feel
free to mention my name and to remind her that she met me at the 2019 OD
Gathering.

Also, these books by Yuasa Yasuo might interest you:

   - The Body, Self-Cultivation, and Ki-Energy
   
   - The Body: Toward an Eastern Mind-Body Theory
   

Many dancers enjoy Yuasa's work a great deal because it connects movement
to spiritual/emotional growth and expression. I studied the first book a
great deal and enjoyed it too.

Much love,
Jake


When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Wed, Dec 4, 2019 at 1:25 AM Tricia Chirumbole via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Hello all!!
>
> This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it
> relevant!
>
> I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in
> respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen.
>
> Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in
> movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth,
> healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth
> possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment
> practice, and collective movement.
>
> The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of
> wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma,
> creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of
> arenas, applications, and communities.
>
> I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my
> practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring
> within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies.
>
> My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for
> movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where
> you work?
>
> If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body
> and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people
> with whom you work?
>
> I welcome any and all insights and reflections and referrals! I see this
> work, the way that I approach it, as truly an invitation to open space
> within oneself and within communities through exploration of body and
> movement in a way that is liberated from form, function, expectation, or
> expertise.
>
> I hope that makes sense! I welcome all questions as well! Thank you in
> advance! <3
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Re: [OSList] Definitions...

[Jake Yeager via OSList]

"In the context of an OST event I have become more and more interested in
not being noticed
after the market place activities. The less I am noticed the more success I
feel."

<3<3<3

"A good wanderer leaves no trace." -- Tao-te-ching, Chapter 27



When the mind is quiet, the sun of your heart will shine once again, and
you will be free of problems.
 - Robert Adams 


On Thu, Dec 5, 2019 at 2:45 PM Michael M Pannwitz via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Dear colleagues,
>
> reading this from Mark Carmel in the note of Dec 5
>
> "What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into
> action to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose?
> To become successful in their life?"
>
> made me wonder about this statement and about the many other things OST
> is supposed to achieve, accomplish, etc.
>
> I suspect that all statements in this direction are manifestations of
> the assumptions we find to be pretty solid truths.
>
> The manifestation of my assumption around OST goes like this
> "OST is a tested and reliable approach to expand space for the unfolding
> of the power of selforganisation."
> Nothing more, nothing less. This also keeps it entirely open und
> unpredictable what happens when the force has a better go at it in
> comparison to the normal conditions under which is restricted.
> When we take a look at what happens in OST events we can see myriads of
> things, including folks taking action on stuff that they care for and
> are ready to fight for.
>
> In my thinking I believe  I as facilitator should not worry or bother
> myself with what can be achieved with OST. I simply know that there will
> be more space for the force. What happens is definitely  of interest to
> all the folks involved.
> And usually they know but dont take much notice of the fact, that they
> have been doing and achieving all this stuff under the influence of the
> force of selforganisation, all by themselves. They dont really think
> much of it because they apparently are pretty happy with what they are
> doing. And any attempts on my part (or other facilitators) to get them
> interested on what wonderful things they have been achieving (Community,
> Leadership of All, Selfmanagement, Vision building, Goal settingthey
> are rather bored with those exercises and want to spent their energies
> for getting on with what is at hand for them).
>
> Definitions of such things as "success" are endless. In the context of
> an OST event I have become more and more interested in not being noticed
> after the market place activities. The less I am noticed the more
> success I feel.
>
> Greetings from Berlin
> mmp
>
>
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[OSList] Definitions...

[Michael M Pannwitz via OSList]

Dear colleagues,

reading this from Mark Carmel in the note of Dec 5

"What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into 
action to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? 
To become successful in their life?"


made me wonder about this statement and about the many other things OST 
is supposed to achieve, accomplish, etc.


I suspect that all statements in this direction are manifestations of 
the assumptions we find to be pretty solid truths.


The manifestation of my assumption around OST goes like this
"OST is a tested and reliable approach to expand space for the unfolding 
of the power of selforganisation."
Nothing more, nothing less. This also keeps it entirely open und 
unpredictable what happens when the force has a better go at it in 
comparison to the normal conditions under which is restricted.
When we take a look at what happens in OST events we can see myriads of 
things, including folks taking action on stuff that they care for and 
are ready to fight for.


In my thinking I believe  I as facilitator should not worry or bother 
myself with what can be achieved with OST. I simply know that there will 
be more space for the force. What happens is definitely  of interest to 
all the folks involved.
And usually they know but dont take much notice of the fact, that they 
have been doing and achieving all this stuff under the influence of the 
force of selforganisation, all by themselves. They dont really think 
much of it because they apparently are pretty happy with what they are 
doing. And any attempts on my part (or other facilitators) to get them 
interested on what wonderful things they have been achieving (Community, 
Leadership of All, Selfmanagement, Vision building, Goal settingthey 
are rather bored with those exercises and want to spent their energies 
for getting on with what is at hand for them).


Definitions of such things as "success" are endless. In the context of 
an OST event I have become more and more interested in not being noticed 
after the market place activities. The less I am noticed the more 
success I feel.


Greetings from Berlin
mmp


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Draisweg 1, 12209 Berlin, Germany
++49 - 30-772 8000
mmpannw...@gmail.com


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Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Jeff Aitken via OSList]

Loving words, and knowing that people write and revise dictionaries, I
tried a few dictionaries online. Here's what the Cambridge Dictionary says:

achieving 
desired 
results , or
achieving 
 the result  of
making a lot of money
:
a successful architect
/doctor
/lawyer

Fortunately, my second attempt
 at starting
 a business
 was more
successful than my first

The Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English Usage says:

1 achieving  what you
wanted, or having the effect 
 or result  you intended
 The operation was
successful. a highly successful (=very successful) meetingsuccessful in
(doing) something Were you successful in persuading him to change his mind?2
 a successful business ,
film , product
 etc makes a lot
 of money The show’s had
a pretty successful run. a highly successful (=very successful) product
I love this one: the top rated Urban Dictionary entry is this!

Being able say you are truly happy having
 something in
life  that just
makes you smile even through the bad
 stuff

That reminds me the most of Open Space!

Jeff



On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:15 AM Mark Carmel via OSList <
oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> wrote:

> Koos,
>
> That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are
> KEY in human understanding.  The definition of success I provided is in the
> dictionary.
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> MC
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer  wrote:
>
>> It depends on your definition of success.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to
>> deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the
>> statement that we don’t need that.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus
>> spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian
>> definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t
>> need that because there are already too many of us on this planet.
>>
>>
>>
>> If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are
>> about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.
>>
>>
>>
>> So it is all a matter of definitions.
>>
>>
>>
>> Koos
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Van:* OSList  *Namens *Mark
>> Carmel via OSList
>> *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57
>> *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
>> *CC:* Mark Carmel 
>> *Onderwerp:* [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact
>> is that the planet does not need more successful people"
>>
>>
>>
>> The definition of success is:
>>
>>  The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose.
>>
>>
>>
>> What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action
>> to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become
>> successful in their life?
>>
>>
>>
>> The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given
>> the sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health
>> care, safety, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>> There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into
>> this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an
>> OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion.
>>
>>
>>
>> "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Send OSList mailing list submissions to
>> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org
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Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Mark Carmel via OSList]

Koos,

Do you remember this quote?
  "It Depends on what the definition of is, is" - a quote from President
Bill Clinton during his impeachment



On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer  wrote:

> It depends on your definition of success.
>
>
>
> If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to
> deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the
> statement that we don’t need that.
>
>
>
> If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus
> spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian
> definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t
> need that because there are already too many of us on this planet.
>
>
>
> If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are
> about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.
>
>
>
> So it is all a matter of definitions.
>
>
>
> Koos
>
>
>
>
>
> *Van:* OSList  *Namens *Mark
> Carmel via OSList
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57
> *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *CC:* Mark Carmel 
> *Onderwerp:* [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact
> is that the planet does not need more successful people"
>
>
>
> The definition of success is:
>
>  The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose.
>
>
>
> What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action
> to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become
> successful in their life?
>
>
>
> The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the
> sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care,
> safety, etc.
>
>
>
> There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into
> this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an
> OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion.
>
>
>
> "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM 
> wrote:
>
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>3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano)
>4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler)
>5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
>   & without! (christine koehler)
>6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
>   & without! (Marc C. Trudeau)
>7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:06:09 -0500
> From: Tricia Chirumbole 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> 
> Subject: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space
> within & without!
> Message-ID:
>  a88vxxho1z6twz...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello all!!
>
> This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant!
>
> I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in
> respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen.
>
> Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in
> movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth,
> healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth
> possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment
> practice, and collective movement.
>
> The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of
> wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma,
> creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of
> arenas, applications, and communities.
>
> I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my
> practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring
> within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies.
>
> My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for
> movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where
> you work?
>
> If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body
> and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people
> with whom you work?
>
> I 

Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Mark Carmel via OSList]

Koos,

That IS why we have dictionaries my friend. Operational definitions are KEY
in human understanding.  The definition of success I provided is in the
dictionary.

Thanks for your feedback.

MC

On Thu, Dec 5, 2019, 9:20 AM Koos de Heer  wrote:

> It depends on your definition of success.
>
>
>
> If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to
> deplete a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the
> statement that we don’t need that.
>
>
>
> If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus
> spreading your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian
> definition of success) then I can agree with the statement that we don’t
> need that because there are already too many of us on this planet.
>
>
>
> If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are
> about a sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.
>
>
>
> So it is all a matter of definitions.
>
>
>
> Koos
>
>
>
>
>
> *Van:* OSList  *Namens *Mark
> Carmel via OSList
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57
> *Aan:* World wide Open Space Technology email list <
> oslist@lists.openspacetech.org>
> *CC:* Mark Carmel 
> *Onderwerp:* [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact
> is that the planet does not need more successful people"
>
>
>
> The definition of success is:
>
>  The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose.
>
>
>
> What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action
> to pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become
> successful in their life?
>
>
>
> The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the
> sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care,
> safety, etc.
>
>
>
> There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into
> this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an
> OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion.
>
>
>
> "We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel
>
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2019, 2:30 PM 
> wrote:
>
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>1. Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within &
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>2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy)
>3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano)
>4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler)
>5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
>   & without! (christine koehler)
>6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
>   & without! (Marc C. Trudeau)
>7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
>   & without! (Tricia Chirumbole)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:06:09 -0500
> From: Tricia Chirumbole 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
> 
> Subject: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space
> within & without!
> Message-ID:
>  a88vxxho1z6twz...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello all!!
>
> This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant!
>
> I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in
> respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen.
>
> Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in
> movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth,
> healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth
> possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment
> practice, and collective movement.
>
> The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of
> wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma,
> creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of
> arenas, applications, and communities.
>
> I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my
> practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring
> within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies.
>
> My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for
> movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where
> you work?
>
> If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body
> and movement into the work that you do or the 

Re: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Koos de Heer via OSList]

It depends on your definition of success.

 

If you define success as earning a lot of money and using that money to deplete 
a large part of the earth’s resources, then I can agree with the statement that 
we don’t need that.

 

If you define success as having a large surviving offspring (and thus spreading 
your genes in larger numbers than others, the Darwinian definition of success) 
then I can agree with the statement that we don’t need that because there are 
already too many of us on this planet.

 

If you define success as realizing your dreams and if your dreams are about a 
sustainable lifestyle for all, then I think we do need that.

 

So it is all a matter of definitions.

 

Koos

 

 

Van: OSList  Namens Mark Carmel via 
OSList
Verzonden: donderdag 5 december 2019 16:57
Aan: World wide Open Space Technology email list 

CC: Mark Carmel 
Onderwerp: [OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that 
the planet does not need more successful people"

 

The definition of success is:

 The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose. 

 

What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to 
pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become 
successful in their life? 

 

The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the 
sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care, 
safety, etc.   

 

There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into this 
idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an OST 
Facilitatorin my humble opinion.  

 

"We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel

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   2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy)
   3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano)
   4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler)
   5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
  & without! (christine koehler)
   6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
  & without! (Marc C. Trudeau)
   7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
  & without! (Tricia Chirumbole)


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Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:06:09 -0500
From: Tricia Chirumbole mailto:trchirumb...@gmail.com> 
>
To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
mailto:oslist@lists.openspacetech.org> 
>
Subject: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space
within & without!
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hello all!!

This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant!

I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in
respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen.

Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in
movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth,
healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth
possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment
practice, and collective movement.

The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of
wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma,
creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of
arenas, applications, and communities.

I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my
practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring
within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies.

My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for
movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where
you work?

If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body
and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people
with whom you work?

I welcome any and all insights and reflections and referrals! I see this
work, the way that I approach it, as truly an invitation to open space
within oneself and within 

[OSList] Ridiculous quote from David Orr ..."The plain fact is that the planet does not need more successful people"

[Mark Carmel via OSList]

The definition of success is:
 The Accomplishment of an aim or purpose.

What IS Open Space Technology if not to inspire participants into action to
pursue their passion to accomplish their aims? Their purpose? To become
successful in their life?

The notion that we should stamp out successful people is idiotic given the
sheer numbers - billions of people living without food, water, health care,
safety, etc.

There is a dangerous trend now disparaging success.  Anyone who buys into
this idea to stifle success are part of the problem and should not be an
OST Facilitatorin my humble opinion.

"We need more successful people, not less." - Mark Carmel

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>2. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Donnan Stoicovy)
>3. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (Franklin Quijano)
>4. Re: Happy birthday Harrison (christine koehler)
>5. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
>   & without! (christine koehler)
>6. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
>   & without! (Marc C. Trudeau)
>7. Re: Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space within
>   & without! (Tricia Chirumbole)
>
>
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>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 17:06:09 -0500
> From: Tricia Chirumbole 
> To: World wide Open Space Technology email list
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> Subject: [OSList] Movement/Dance/Somatics/Embodiment - opening space
> within & without!
> Message-ID:
>  a88vxxho1z6twz...@mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hello all!!
>
> This may be a teeny tiny bit off topic, but I will try to make it relevant!
>
> I am looking for your reflections, insights, advice, referrals, etc. in
> respect to work that I am doing and looking to expand/deepen.
>
> Some of you may know that I have a strong interest in
> movement/dance/embodiment, particularly in application to personal growth,
> healing/transformation, "mindfulness", and the connections & growth
> possible within groups and systems through body wisdom, embodiment
> practice, and collective movement.
>
> The awareness and acceptance of the value of the body as both a source of
> wisdom and an important modality for emotional processing, healing trauma,
> creative expression, group connection, seems to be growing in a number of
> arenas, applications, and communities.
>
> I am currently exploring potential areas for expanding my learning and my
> practice and gathering information and insights, as well as exploring
> within, so that I can choose where to focus my energies.
>
> My questions to this community are: Do you see potential application for
> movement/somatics work within any of the communities or organizations where
> you work?
>
> If so, can you identify where/how you can imagine the integration of body
> and movement into the work that you do or the life/workflow of the people
> with whom you work?
>
> I welcome any and all insights and reflections and referrals! I see this
> work, the way that I approach it, as truly an invitation to open space
> within oneself and within communities through exploration of body and
> movement in a way that is liberated from form, function, expectation, or
> expertise.
>
> I hope that makes sense! I welcome all questions as well! Thank you in
> advance! <3
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> Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 19:42:33 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison
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> Happy Birthday, Harrison! All the best...
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Re: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison

[R Chaffe via OSList]

Harrison, it has become a milestone for us to mark time. The essence is what we 
do with every hour of every 365 days between milestones and how we respect the 
bounteous gifts that we have at our finger tips.  You are an example of what 
this means especially in relation to the gifts that people bring to our 
community.

Regards
Rob

> On 4 Dec 2019, at 5:10 am, Harrison Owen via OSList 
>  wrote:
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> 
> Made it through another year. Was thinking of moving to Mars… shorter yeara! 
> Thanks everybody!!
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> ho
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> From: OSList [mailto:oslist-boun...@lists.openspacetech.org] On Behalf Of 
> Peggy Holman via OSList
> Sent: Monday, December 2, 2019 12:40 PM
> To: Open Space Listserv
> Cc: Peggy Holman
> Subject: [OSList] Happy birthday Harrison
>  
> Morning all,
>  
> It’s that time of year. For most of us, it’s holiday season.
>  
> A special day for Open Space Technology is today: Harrison Owen’s birthday. 
>  
> Harrison: wishing you a great day and a special year. As disruption of the 
> status quo becomes louder and more prevalent, your gift to the world becomes 
> ever more relevant.
>  
> Thanks for being you.
>  
> Love,
> Peggy
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>  
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